DO NOT call unless I ask you to....

[sarahpassion]

Okay so we have established a few things.

I have on occasion when I miss a call, whilst hunting through my purse, return the call right away. I would never say Hi I'm an Sp and I just missed a call. If the caller doesn't realize that it is me by seeing the number he just dialed then I don't really pursue the conversation.

Same goes if you leave me a message, I will call back. I always say Hi this is Sarah, did I catch you at a good time, then the caller has a chance to end the call if it is.

I do see the point that in the 10 seconds since you called, someone might have walked in the room. So I guess from now on if you as the caller absolutely not wanting to be called back you should leave a message stating that. I know most of us aren't in the practice of returning unsolicited calls, but if you feel a returned phone call could be detrimental to your life a quick 5 second, DO NOT CALL ME BACK message would avoid this.

The girl who called back the next day and left a message, wow she must be really hard up for business.

 

[donjoh]

Personally, I prefer email, for the simple reason that I'm hard of hearing.
I'm reasonably okay on the phone, but have trouble getting numbers/directions. And if you throw in an accent... Say when you need to call the credit card co., these days you usually end up in India. Some of those accents... phew.
But I should add that I have a bit of "deaf" accent myself, and some people have trouble with it. So it does work both ways,

Oh yeah, I don't have cell phone, because it's virtually useless for me, because of interference with hearing aids.

 

[Redrider2]

B-I-N-G-O
It's like I said before. It's a catch 22. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
As for the term "cold call". I hardly would consider calling somebody back who just called you 5 - 10 minutes prior a cold call. I'd say the call was pretty hot still. In fact, unless a pooner called you while his S/O was in the bathroom, and thought he could get all he had to say in before he heard the flush, he obviousely had time. If he had the time to call you to discuss matters in 5 minutes, he should have time to answer his phone in that 5 minutes.

I normally use email, but your website said "I look forward to meeting with you when I am visiting but I do fill up fast with appointments, so please if you are interested in seeing me, then please call to book as that will be faster to guarentee a spot as I will not play email tag to wait."

So I called on Wednesday morning, your voicemail said something like " Hi today is Monday, I won't be available until after 5:30." The voicemail wasn't up to date and getting a callback later in the evening wouldn't work for me so I did not leave a message.
My phone records show your call to me came 57 minutes after I called you. A frozen stone cold call by that time.

You say if your calling an SP to have your dick sucked or to get fucked, have a game plan. Well, I do have a plan, thanks. I understand "the fact is that I'm dealing with a person who sells sex for a living - that is, someone who is free to make up her own rules". And I do not depend on a stranger to protect my privacy. When I said receiving your call a few minutes either way would have been unpleasant, I certainly didn't mean it would impact my life.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

Is it really a cold call?

Not that my opinion means anything but can the term cold call be applied under these circumstances? From my understanding a cold call is unsolicited, via telephone/fax through an autodialler. It's the telephone/fax version of junk mail.
You can argure that if you didn't leave a message to have the call returned thus being indeed unsolicited but the call was made in the first place with the pooner doing the initial soliciting and the SP simply returning it regardless if it was requested.
I would figure that a cold call would be a SP phoning up random numbers and soliciting and not how it was described in this thread. I don't observe this tactic but am curious as to how it came to be as such in this instance.

 

[CalgaryJenn]

Plain and simple either leave a fucking message of NOT to call you back or don't either way for ever 1 lost 2 more are gained!
it doesn't bother me one way or the other and I am done with this topic as I knew it was "ME" the whole entire time.
And if you can't be coutious enough to leave a message when calling as my voicemail states to do with EVERY message I leave, then don't bother calling.
EVERY message on voicemail tell's the caller's to "leave a message". This IS so I know whether or not to call you back at a certain time.

It's THAT EASY A 5 SECOND MESSAGE!

So instead of ridaculing me for my practices, why not follow my easy instructions left in my voicemail? You forgot to mention that part. I have a booking proceedure, and you also failed to mention in your original post that "you" didn't follow that proceedure, it goes two ways.
Here is a screen capture from my website contact information page. Please, read what it says before complaining. It is DIRECTLY UNDER the phone number. It has said this from the time the site was built:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It clearly states that I will not answer a call while I am busy and to leave a message. It also clearly states I will call you back. If you don't want a call back, leave a message stating that "Now isn't a good time to call back, but you will call later."

 

[Paula]

the call was made in the first place with the pooner doing the initial soliciting and the SP simply returning it regardless if it was requested.

Isn't this the issue here... 'regardless if it was requested' is the bone of contention in the initial post.

In my opinion it is just plain wrong to scroll through your missed calls and randomly hit 'send' to call back and see if the prospective client is still interested in my services. Unless they clearly leave a contact number and the permission to return their call I don't ever do it. I simply assume they will call ME back if they still want to see me. I might lose buisiness this way, who knows, but that's a risk I'm prepared to take as my phone practices will never change.

I find it hard to understand why some providers call back numbers on their 'missed call' list, it's unfathomable.

Then again maybe it's simple... desperate for business??

 

[slickitysplit]

Read Jodie's posts on this one; she has it bang on... smart lady.

Hard to believe there are some here that think it's OK to call back, but I guess you're always going to get some differing viewpoints on anything. But, if this were a poll I think it would be 99% saying DON'T CALL BACK under any circumstances unless there is a message saying to call back.

Totally agree with this too.

Sure, a pooner should take responsibility for his own privacy and should take steps to minimize the opportunity for exposure. But that still does not absolve an SP from the responsibility of showing some common sense and not calling back a pooner unless he explicitly says that it's ok.

I would not ever be calling those who think it is OK to call back when there is no message saying to do so, such as Calgary Jenn and Annalise Lane who have stated in this thread that they think it is OK.

I do see the point that in the 10 seconds since you called, someone might have walked in the room. So I guess from now on if you as the caller absolutely not wanting to be called back you should leave a message stating that.

Ummmm, how is he supposed to leave that message if someone has walked into the room during the call and he had to end it?!!

 

[CalgaryJenn]

Ummmm, how is he supposed to leave that message if someone has walked into the room during the call and he had to end it?!!

Would that not be part of "discretion"? Who safelty calls an escort with people around who can walk in on them? If the pooner was trying to use discretion and be discreet, would he not call the escort from a location where he was free to talk and not get caught? I mean, do pooners really chance a phone call to an escort while their S/O is in the bathroom for a pee break?
Anyhow, I'm done with this topic. It's a two way street. Discretion is important, but at the same time, pooners shouldn't leave discretion solely up to the SP's. Call it poor SP practice, or call it lack of planning on the pooners part. Call it whatever you will. Both parties have to work together to ensure discretion.
POINT BLANK.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

Isn't this the issue here... 'regardless if it was requested' is the bone of contention in the initial post.

In my opinion it is just plain wrong to scroll through your missed calls and randomly hit 'send' to call back and see if the prospective client is still interested in my services. Unless they clearly leave a contact number and the permission to return their call I don't ever do it. I simply assume they will call ME back if they still want to see me. I might lose buisiness this way, who knows, but that's a risk I'm prepared to take as my phone practices will never change.

I find it hard to understand why some providers call back numbers on their 'missed call' list, it's unfathomable.

Then again maybe it's simple... desperate for business??

I completely agree with you though the responsiblity should not be for the SP, solely, to bear the weight of. But basing it only on numbers, it would have them lose business rather than gain some if proceeding with this method, in my eyes especially when it's revealed as feedback on forums such as this.

My post, however, wasn't to challenge the method preferred by some SPs, it was to challenge the term "cold call". The post further details that if the number was to be found on the SPs call display unit, then it would no longer be deemed a random number to solicit as it was the prospective client having done the intitial soliciting by calling in te first place. A cold call is completely random, a number found on a call display and then returned without request couldn't be considered a "cold call".

 

[TotallyTouchin]

An Idea

Ok so I used to not only answer phones for me but for a slew of hot girls so needless to say....insane amounts of calls right? And there's only one me and anyone who knows me knows that my machine is almost ALWAYS freakin FULL. I'm lazy...whatever

So but the thing I did when I was indie was leave a message saying leave your name and number and when the best time to call you back would be and I'll get back to you.

Now granted...I probably didn't get BACK to some which was just bad timing but most of the guys listened and were like "yeh my name is Prince Giant Cock Man and you can call me back until 7 tonight"...BOOM done. So then if I get the message at 9 and I think "hmmm..Prince Giant Cock Man called and maybe I should return his call..." all I have to do is just look at the clock...see it's 10:15 and be like...HMMMM maybe he'll call another time.

But for the guys whose lives would be DESTROYED if, after they put their number in the hands of a relative STRANGER, I would say...not worth the issue. Get a phone or dismiss the idea. I agree with what GBM said like few pages ago about the fact that if it is that drastic for you then maybe don't use that line cause some girls are shady and you really don't know them.

I think it's a good idea for pooners to leave a message saying to call them up until this hour or "call anytime" (I have had alot of that believe it or not)...but it's also good for the sp to take the initiative and ask that they be told when to call back....simple enough.

Play safe everyone!

 

[SGTSLEUTH]

Give it a rest already

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

You're missing the point....most of you ladies won't take a call if it is from a blocked number. So when one of these guys call they are putting their trust in you with their number. If they don't leave a message they don't want you to call back. If they do want you to call back then they will say so. Simple solution is to accept blocked calls and if you won't, then respect when there isn't a message and don't call back. As for the true definition of "cold call" you are right.

Actually, I'm not missing the point because I don't observe what is being debated in thread. I don't return calls that are on my call display. It is of my belief that I would lose business if I did that, besides it's just weird to call back and solicit, live, reiterating my print or online ad. In a nutshell I AGREE WITH YOU.

I'm merely pointing out that the responsibility should not rest solely on the SPs shoulders.

 

[aznboi9]

I'm merely pointing out that the responsibility should not rest solely on the SPs shoulders.

Of course it should, she’s the one with the number and she’s the one who’s making the call back when she has no invitation to do so.

This reminds me of a couple situations in the past year where a pooner encountered an SP outside in the real world and approached her when the interaction was not wanted. One even called the SP by her working name with her SO present. The convention and unwritten rule is that one pooner/SP absolutely DOES NOT approach the other unless there is clear indication by the other party that it is alright to do so. There was no debating that the pooners in question were to blame.

Yet, by the reasoning I’m seeing here, the SP should have born some responsibility because she didn’t make it explicit that she didn’t want to be approached, as if she should have shaken her head to the pooner or mouthed the word “no” or held up a sign saying “Not now” or something along those lines. That’s absurd. One should not have to be held responsible because of another’s thoughtlessness. To argue otherwise is simply skirting the issue that the vast majority of pooners do not want to be called back unless it's indicated.

 

[georgebushmoron]

Of course it should, she’s the one with the number and she’s the one who’s making the call back when she has no invitation to do so.

Yes, she has that responsibility. But who would you fault if a person gave that responsibility to someone he does not know, and trusts her with his phone number that could cause a catastrophe to his life?

It's like signing a contract with a lawyer where you agree to put your assets in trust, but you never bothered to determine if this lawyer had a good reputation and just went with their designation (LLB), assuming that what he was labelled as was good enough. You can stand on the podium and declare what all lawyers should do, but in the end, who takes responsibility for initiating such a contract?

In the case of the SP situation, here it is:
She cheated him of his trust. But before that, he abdicates his responsibility to himself and puts it upon her. She is the cheater. He is the fool.

 

[aznboi9]

Yes, she has that responsibility. But who would you fault if a person gave that responsibility to someone he does not know, and trusts her with his phone number that could cause a catastrophe to his life?

I agree with what you say to a point. I also believe that you are lumping two separate issues together. I think you do a better job of distinguishing the two later:

In the case of the SP situation, here it is:
She cheated him of his trust. But before that, he abdicates his responsibility to himself and puts it upon her. She is the cheater. He is the fool.

There is the question of pooner responsibility for his own actions. If he puts himself in a risky situation without covering his ass (using the home/work phone etc.), then he's just being dumb. But the matter of the SP's action is entirely separate and some are trying to use the first situation to lessen the responsibility involved in the latter. That's just passing the buck.