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Trus'Me

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Figured this might not be the worst place to ask. Not sure who else to turn to and at this point I don't want to be asking friends or family - don't need my momentum derailed of which I know would be enthusiastically employed against me.

No kids, no mortgage, no shared assets of any kind, no pets.

No more! :clap2:

Anyone have any experience with http://www.divorceoptions.ca/?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
 

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I think that it's important for anyone contemplating divorce to get their ducks in a row, before making the announcement. I'm saying this because, if the two of you could communicate, ie. listen to each other, make changes that support the overall functioning of the relationship, and learn to compromise, you wouldn't be in this place at all...

So listen to the fellas, above. Seek professional guidance, read lots (yes, the internet is still a useful educational tool), make the necessary inquiries as to your rights, and plan your escape. Otherwise, you may anticipate your options strictly curtailed, after the fact...ie. do you have a brother's couch to sleep on, and are you prepared for the locks on the door to be changed by the time you come home to pick up your things?

A friend of mine moved out of the marital home with his clothes and a few personal possessions. His wife stopped paying the rent, she got herself evicted, and he has no idea where she is. He went by their place to look around, and everything in the house had vanished; he'll likely never see his possessions again! She does not reply to his e-mails or phone calls...is that the position you wanna be in? I suspect not!

In fact, couples with children actually run less risk of those kinds of problems with their ex because the kids are in school, and she'll want child support, so she's likely not going anywhere; sure, she'll be mad but that brings different challenges with it. It sounds unfair but, the more free she is to act as she sees fit, the more at risk you are of losing track of her. It's hard to file a divorce from someone that you can't find or contact...
 
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badbadboy

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Easy peasy. Go in talk to a divorce lawyer first 15 -30 minutes. Usually that meeting is free. Ask as many questions as you can.

I have been to see more lawyers than I care to admit to but in this case BJ you are wrong. GOOD Family Law Lawyers "All" charge $400 minimum for the first hour. All the others I have seen have made the first hour free; whether it was for business, employment law etc etc.

If the OP wants to, PM me and I will give you contact info for some of the top ones in Vancouver. If there is going to be a case you may want to lawyer up. I always suggest going the route of a mediator and then having both parties lawyers sign off on it. Much cheaper and both parties walk away happier.
 

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Figured this might not be the worst place to ask. Not sure who else to turn to and at this point I don't want to be asking friends or family - don't need my momentum derailed of which I know would be enthusiastically employed against me.

No kids, no mortgage, no shared assets of any kind, no pets.

No more! :clap2:

Anyone have any experience with http://www.divorceoptions.ca/?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
The one hiccup is that you have to be seperated for one year before the divorce can be finalized

Hopefully she'll sign the first draft of the divorce agreement
 

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I have also used the services of many lawyers over the years and I agree with the above. If any unshared assets, you need a lawyer. If a long term marriage, you need a lawyer. If you bought a lottery ticket with your earnings during marriage, you need a lawyer. If she says that you ever said an unkind word to her thus requiring billions of dollars for future counseling, then you need a lawyer. In short, there may be some issue that you have overlooked. Retain a lawyer and relate all of your circumstances. Let the lawyer tell you the issues, the potential consequences and recommend whether you need further services. You might also ask the lawyer whether you need an accountant as well. Often legal issues have tax consequences and you want the lawyer and accountant to coordinate their efforts.
Ok. Thanks. Definitely puts it in perspective.
 

badbadboy

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OMG What was I thinking I commented on a thread in a Forum post obviously I must be WRONG.
Don't worry you can still call yourself the resident expert

:rolleyes:

I went through this exercise and each Family Law practise told me the first hour is not free. Reason is many parties get cold feet and don't follow through with it. As I said all other types of lawyer I have encountered in business, employment and commercial law allow first hour to be on the house. If you were using general practise firm then yes they would give the first hour free. It is unwise to use a general practise when Family Law firms are the specialists in the field.
 

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For those of you who PM'd me asking for contacts, kindly make some space in your PM folder so I can reply to your questions.
 

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Get a lawyer. Divorce is the biggest financial disaster in a person's life...very difficult to recover from. Think of it like you are dissolving a business.
 

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You're not the only one guy to have ever gone through this. Your not the first nor will you be the last. Quite certain there are a lot of us on here that have similar stories. Just needed to say you Need a Lawyer.

Whatever BJ

I did a LOT of research and NONE were free for the first hour. There are 'lawyers' then there are 'Family Law Specialists'. I am suspecting you went with a "General Law Practise Lawyer" if you got your first meeting for free. I contacted ten firms and spoke with quite a few in person and received invoices from all that I met in person. If I could have done it for free I would have but these firms all had QC's as their lead lawyers in this discipline. Billable hours is what its all about with a QC.

Part of the method in my madness was to ensure I saw the top lawyers in their field. This way when they do their due diligence or venting process, the other party can not hire them because you have spoken to them first. It forces the other party to take another lawyer.
 

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no kids, mortgage, etc. makes things easier for sure however! depending on the length of time living together and how she takes the whole thing will determine how complicated it can get... to echo others: get a lawyer and some initial advice at least. You don't have to wait until the divorce to settle a division of assets which can be done in a formal separation agreement and included in the divorce later...
 

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may i interject?

can i just take you guys off-roading for a bit?

i have more friends who are divorced than happily married, and each and every one of them has found a way to get completely fucked over by their spouse.

from the very moment a man says "i do" he should have a contingency plan in place for when the marriage fails. call me damaged, or jaded. staistically speaking "when" seems to be a lot more accurate a description than "should"

i have one co-worker who refers to it as "freedom 45." i would refer to it as a war chest.

start socking your money away gents! if you're able to sneak around money to plow hookers you should be able to sneak some of that money away into a long term savings account. when the day comes you find yourself locked out of the home you're paying for you need to be ready!

i'm not an accountant or a lawyer but i've watched judge judy and skimmed though "the automatic millionaire" so i believe im well enough informed to dispense advice.

do your research! before you even put down a deposit for the reception you should:

1. consult with a divorce lawyer. preferably the most vicious, relentless, cold-hearted, off-the-leash rabid pit-bull attorney you can find that you are confident can unleash hell with a single phone call.

that detail is so important i turned it in to a run-on sentence. and if there's one thing mr. blonde does NOT do is write run-on sentences OR refer to himself in the third person.

im not familiar with conflict of interest laws. my area of specialty is automotive. but if it's anything like television, consulting with said rabid pit bull attorney prevents your spouse from hiring him/her for her own ends. so in a sense; you have the devil on your side.

2.) consult with a financial advisor! you cannot go into a marraige with rose colored glasses. the woman you are with right now may be in love with you. but there will come a day where she downright despises you.

there will come a day when she's crying on her mother's shoulder and decides to viciously tear out your manhood, or worse fatherhood, through your wallet.

start socking your money away! talk to family. start with mom and dad. make certain they have a firm grasp on what you're trying to accomplish. the best way to put it: "hope for the best, be prepared for the worst."

in the end, should things work out for the better...when all the kids are grown up, and the house is paid for...there's a little something extra for a brighter future. right?

can i speak from the heart for a moment?

a woman will never understand the sacrifice a man makes when he says "i do."

in some form or another a young woman has, at some point, dreamed of meeting her prince charming and living happily ever after.

it being the 21st century there are going to be a HORDE of women who disagree with this statement. we get it. you're 38, strong, and independent. you also have 3 cats and no man can deal with you for longer than three months. let me finish.

every bride's childhood comes to life on her wedding day. the dress, the veil, the prince (who seems to be more of an accesory than anything) it's all real! you could almost say it's a dream come true!

it's not the same for a groom. becoming the husband means you don't neccesarly "give up" your dreams. they just get put on the back burner. because a good husband puts his wife, and eventually his kids before himself.

there's a physical burden to being a man. when puberty hits we get stuck with a weapon that needs to blow off, speaking from experience, at least four times a day. there's no owners manual that comes with it. somebody sits down with us for a day in junior high and let's us know that what we're experiencing is natural and nothing to be ashamed of. from that point forward we're in a relationship with an appendage that in no way, shape, or form has our best interests in mind. what's worse is a majority of us hold it in high esteem.

there's a primal burden to being a man. an arguement could be made for the woman as well. but from an evolutionary stand point the practice of monogamy is an uphill battle for a man. much like the biological clock is for a woman.

when the man gets married all these fallacies need to be confronted. the man has to get some form of closure that all these devices no longer come first and some of us just can't or are unwilling to do it. take also into consideration the man's ego. the dream he may someday get to be an astronaut, famous hockey player, super-secret-agent. those become even less likely to come true. because, after all, the good husband puts his wife and eventually children before himself. and it's hard. it's so fucking hard. and all these fallacies are something a woman will never understand.

so ladies. to make a long story short:

keep his stomach full and his balls empty, and he'll never stray.

jus sayin'
 

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snip...keep his stomach full and his balls empty, and he'll never stray.

jus sayin'
That's a joke (sorry, but it's just not true). I know many a man with a full stomach and empty balls, and he still wants to fuck the neighbourhood...variety, as they say, is the spice of life. You're espousing the fantasy that gets every woman in trouble, thinking that monogamy even exists...?

Oh sorry, Mr. Blonde, are you one of those guys that says to the wife, "Oh honey, I don't feel anything for her, that was just sex; I L..O..V..E you'!
 
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It was very smart on your part to conflict out the top divorce lawyers in town BBB. And you are also right that the top ones will not consult for free. They know that people use that tactic. It's also a common tactic in patent litigation.
 

Chef99

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can i just take you guys off-roading for a bit?

i have more friends who are divorced than happily married, and each and every one of them has found a way to get completely fucked over by their spouse.

from the very moment a man says "i do" he should have a contingency plan in place for when the marriage fails. call me damaged, or jaded. staistically speaking "when" seems to be a lot more accurate a description than "should"

i have one co-worker who refers to it as "freedom 45." i would refer to it as a war chest.

start socking your money away gents! if you're able to sneak around money to plow hookers you should be able to sneak some of that money away into a long term savings account. when the day comes you find yourself locked out of the home you're paying for you need to be ready!

i'm not an accountant or a lawyer but i've watched judge judy and skimmed though "the automatic millionaire" so i believe im well enough informed to dispense advice.

do your research! before you even put down a deposit for the reception you should:

1. consult with a divorce lawyer. preferably the most vicious, relentless, cold-hearted, off-the-leash rabid pit-bull attorney you can find that you are confident can unleash hell with a single phone call.

that detail is so important i turned it in to a run-on sentence. and if there's one thing mr. blonde does NOT do is write run-on sentences OR refer to himself in the third person.

im not familiar with conflict of interest laws. my area of specialty is automotive. but if it's anything like television, consulting with said rabid pit bull attorney prevents your spouse from hiring him/her for her own ends. so in a sense; you have the devil on your side.

2.) consult with a financial advisor! you cannot go into a marraige with rose colored glasses. the woman you are with right now may be in love with you. but there will come a day where she downright despises you.

there will come a day when she's crying on her mother's shoulder and decides to viciously tear out your manhood, or worse fatherhood, through your wallet.

start socking your money away! talk to family. start with mom and dad. make certain they have a firm grasp on what you're trying to accomplish. the best way to put it: "hope for the best, be prepared for the worst."

in the end, should things work out for the better...when all the kids are grown up, and the house is paid for...there's a little something extra for a brighter future. right?

can i speak from the heart for a moment?

a woman will never understand the sacrifice a man makes when he says "i do."

in some form or another a young woman has, at some point, dreamed of meeting her prince charming and living happily ever after.

it being the 21st century there are going to be a HORDE of women who disagree with this statement. we get it. you're 38, strong, and independent. you also have 3 cats and no man can deal with you for longer than three months. let me finish.

every bride's childhood comes to life on her wedding day. the dress, the veil, the prince (who seems to be more of an accesory than anything) it's all real! you could almost say it's a dream come true!

it's not the same for a groom. becoming the husband means you don't neccesarly "give up" your dreams. they just get put on the back burner. because a good husband puts his wife, and eventually his kids before himself.

there's a physical burden to being a man. when puberty hits we get stuck with a weapon that needs to blow off, speaking from experience, at least four times a day. there's no owners manual that comes with it. somebody sits down with us for a day in junior high and let's us know that what we're experiencing is natural and nothing to be ashamed of. from that point forward we're in a relationship with an appendage that in no way, shape, or form has our best interests in mind. what's worse is a majority of us hold it in high esteem.

there's a primal burden to being a man. an arguement could be made for the woman as well. but from an evolutionary stand point the practice of monogamy is an uphill battle for a man. much like the biological clock is for a woman.

when the man gets married all these fallacies need to be confronted. the man has to get some form of closure that all these devices no longer come first and some of us just can't or are unwilling to do it. take also into consideration the man's ego. the dream he may someday get to be an astronaut, famous hockey player, super-secret-agent. those become even less likely to come true. because, after all, the good husband puts his wife and eventually children before himself. and it's hard. it's so fucking hard. and all these fallacies are something a woman will never understand.

so ladies. to make a long story short:

keep his stomach full and his balls empty, and he'll never stray.

jus sayin'
Seriously? you're entitled to your opinion but it ain't mine... if any man feels this way he has no business being married. Perhaps that was your point but to me it reads more like a list of excuses of why a man can't/doesn't live up to his vows which is just BS. Know and own your feelings/character...
 

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i'm not an accountant or a lawyer but i've watched judge judy and skimmed though "the automatic millionaire" so i believe im well enough informed to dispense advice.
All those words and you admit you watch Judge Judy?

:doh:

Good Grief.
 

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Never been married, was close just once. When I found out some things about her my freedom and being away from a vulture never tasted so good. I feel for you guys that would kill to have never meant the so called One.
 

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If you are socking money away in your own name, your sweet wife and her vicious lawyer will find it and take their share. If you are socking money away in someone else's name and they find out about it, they can get even more of it as a penalty and charges could be filed against you and your accomplice. Your advice is dangerous and frankly, kind of stupid. If you really want to protect assets, see the lawyer before you get married, set up a family trust that she cannot get at, draw up up a pre-nup, there are lots of legal and far less risky options to cover your interests and your ass.

This is quite good advise but add that the Trust can be made while you are still married too. Long story short, a friend whose spouse divorced them and got alimony plus child support. When the spouse went after more money it had been placed in a Family Trust making it next to impossible to penetrate. Not saying impossible but definitely would be a costly endeavour. The divorced friend receives a monthly dividend to pay expenses from the Trust and the other party will need the help of a good lawyer plus a CA to figure out how to go after the $$.
 
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