Disgraced former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich to begin 14-year prison sentence

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I tend to feel that white collar crime isn't pursued enough. Corruption by those in power should by stiffly punished.
Look at the fraud that was perpetrated in the sub-prime housing debacle. Millions lost their homes. No one got punished. But a guy with a bag of weed goes to jail for 10 years. Right.
 

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Actually, Rod Blagojevich's "crime" was not appointing the person that Obama and his supporters wanted. The result was that the person that Rod Blagojevich did appoint was removed from office (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Burris) and a Republican, Mark Kirk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kirk) was elected for the remaining portion of Obama's term and subsequently elected for a full term. As far as Obama and most Democrats are concerned, that was the real crime. So, thinking that Obama will give Rod Blagojevich a pardon is like believing in Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy once a person is an adult.
Well Al, this is Chicago politics after all, so I wouldn't rule it out. Besides Obama owes a lot of people (especially Oprah)
 

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I tend to feel that white collar crime isn't pursued enough. Corruption by those in power should by stiffly punished.
Look at the fraud that was perpetrated in the sub-prime housing debacle. Millions lost their homes. No one got punished. But a guy with a bag of weed goes to jail for 10 years. Right.
I can't believe that I am defending a Democrat but the punishment must fit the crime. We can't give the same punishment to the kid that steals a chocolate bar from 7-11 as the guy who commits armed robbery at the bank.

Now if you want to give 14 years to those who are really responsible for the sub-prime housing debacle, namely Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, you will not get any disagreement from me.
 

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Actually, Rod Blagojevich's "crime" was not appointing the person that Obama and his supporters wanted. The result was that the person that Rod Blagojevich did appoint was removed from office (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Burris) and a Republican, Mark Kirk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kirk) was elected for the remaining portion of Obama's term and subsequently elected for a full term. As far as Obama and most Democrats are concerned, that was the real crime. So, thinking that Obama will give Rod Blagojevich a pardon is like believing in Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy once a person is an adult.
The election for the last month of Obama's term and the election for the following 6 years was held at the same time, November 2 (the normal federal election day), they were not seperate elections. Burris served to the end of November.
 

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His crime was selling a government office which is a direct subversion of the system of government of the land. 14 years is pretty light but appears to be fair under the circumstances. In China he'd probably be shot. In Italy the crime probably wouldn't even have been reported in the media let alone prosecuted.
He wasn't selling it as such, but it was used as bargaining chip to secure campaign financing. That is how politics was run in that area.

That is not the same as pillaging the public for personal gain.
 

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Blago is not as lucky as former Defense Secretary and Forbes Chairman Caspar Weinberger who never saw jail for the Iran-Contra affair after being pardoned right away by then President George H. W. Bush. :nod:
 

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Blago is not as lucky as former Defense Secretary and Forbes Chairman Caspar Weinberger who never saw jail for the Iran-Contra affair after being pardoned right away by then President George H. W. Bush. :nod:
hah... remember the rallying cry of the democratic party at the time, 'WHERE WAS GEORGE?' :D

you see, this all was run out of an office in the basement of george h. w. bush's white house!
 

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Blago is not as lucky as former Defense Secretary and Forbes Chairman Caspar Weinberger who never saw jail for the Iran-Contra affair after being pardoned right away by then President George H. W. Bush. :nod:
Even the most controversial Bush and Clinton pardons will look tame compared to when Obama leaves office. Look for every radical,militant, left wing nut case to get a pardon on Obama's way out the door.
 

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I tend to feel that white collar crime isn't pursued enough. Corruption by those in power should by stiffly punished.
Look at the fraud that was perpetrated in the sub-prime housing debacle. Millions lost their homes. No one got punished. But a guy with a bag of weed goes to jail for 10 years. Right.
Totally agree.
 

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Totally agree.
Especially in Canada. Canadians know very well that Conrad Black would never have served a weekend in jail in this country. Maybe he should have stayed here after all, eh?

The idea that President Obama is going to pardon Blagojevich is hard to accept. Why on earth would he want to do that, since it would only fuel the coalition of birthers, tea partiers, clansmen and others who hate him without anything to pin on him?
 

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In Canada you can break into the home of a senior, give them a good beating, and maybe get a year in jail if anything at all.
 

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http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/0...n-14-year-prison-sentence-but-first-a-speech/

I am a Conservative who believes in stiff sentences, but even I think 14 years is excessive for what is essentially a white collar crime. I am willing to bet that Obama gives him a full pardon when he is gone from office next year in exchange for Blago keeping his mouth shut.
I completely agree, 14 years was excessive but like you said he's getting pardoned before the door hits Obama's ass next January!
 

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I don't follow your argument. A public office was offered in return for money. Almost all politicians above the level of the local church council run for office for personal gain, even if the gain is the power that the office lets them wield. Ergo, an increased likelihood of being re-elected due to securing additional campaign funding through selling the senatorial seat to the highest bidder is personal gain. Not that that matters. The power to appoint does not come with the power to extract "fees" for an appointment.

The sentence is appropriate as a deterrence to the practice in the future. The danger to the political system is quite clear. Incumbency is an enormous advantage in an election. And, in theory, accepting such a practice could allow an ongoing system where, if a senator's popularity is wearing thin in a party's key state, the senator resigns at the halfway point in the term and the governor appoints a more savory replacement from the party so that the party is more likely to retain the seat through the next election.

The tolerance of political chicanery enables the creation of political machines that subvert and twist the entire election process. Like gerrymandering and election dirty tricks, just because something is done on a regular basis by political parties does not mean that it isn't harmful to the political system. At least we are not shooting folks for doing these things " to encourage the others", as the French said of execution of soldiers in the Great War..
I'm not defending it, simply pointing out that is how politics is done there (and probably many other places as well). The problem with Blagojevich is that he wasn't too subtle about it.

And dont get holier than thou on me either, politicians routinely get elected essentially by bribing (or promising to bribe) the electorate with programs/policies that will favor enough of their constituency to gain office. All politics is like this.
 

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Especially in Canada. Canadians know very well that Conrad Black would never have served a weekend in jail in this country. Maybe he should have stayed here after all, eh?

The idea that President Obama is going to pardon Blagojevich is hard to accept. Why on earth would he want to do that, since it would only fuel the coalition of birthers, tea partiers, clansmen and others who hate him without anything to pin on him?
That is because Black didn't really do anything against the law (other than the records thing). The offence he was charged under was never intended to apply to private business, it was a distortion of the law by prosecutors so that they could make a case. The trial was political more than anything else.
 
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