Discussion - Lost another Regular to BBFS... WTF!

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t1163

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Not sure this is the appropriate category for this thread, but I'll chime in.

I had one encounter early on in my journey with a girl who advertises on this board, and is a well known SP... When I got to her incall, she explained her restrictions and rates... after giving me her general menu she said to me... "I can tell you don't do this often, and you're a clean, normal-looking guy.... if you're interested in Full Service Uncovered, I can do that for you for an additional $200".
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Yes, one of the girls is a very well know to this board. The only difference with my situation was that there was no conversation about BBFS prior to, or at any of our previous romps over a period of more than 6 months. We had known & were comfortable with each other and one night she simply rolled on top of me and "popped" me in!
 

t1163

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Maybe I'm naive but i figured this sort of thing was reserved for aging CL Asians who were desperate to retain business.
Yes, one of the girls is an Asian MILF. I thought the same as you, maybe? I have read reviews of her were some guys turned and walked out on her - you could be right? I always tipped. She always gave me great mileage, was sweet, never rushed me & was the first (and only) SP to try (every time!) to get me to go for a second shot! She would leap into my arms as soon as I walked in and showered me with attention! She made me feel like she would do anything I asked. I don't know if she wanted a boyfriend, a baby or simply (like you say...) a "regular"??
 

t1163

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surprisingly it still happens these days usually when you are a regular.
Nice to see a legend responded to my thread :cool:

This was my main motivation to posting this thread & asking the question. If you are the type of pooner that has a regular SP, and, have been seeing her for more than 6 months ( 1 to 2 times per month), do you think that what happened to me sounds about normal?? And, if it does not sound normal, then, why does it keep happening to me!!!!!?????

Acording to your response, you are saying it is because of my tipping - did I interpret your response correct?

Are you sayin' I should not tip my "regular"?
 

t1163

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The OP needs more than his dick and blood examined.

You willingly continue with BBFS and climax because you're either "excited or caught off guard." And this has happened 4 times!

Yeah right. The reaction most guys would (and should) have is to stop things the INSTANT bare junior heads toward the goal.

Right - SHE slides you in. You're the one in control of your penis, dick head. What happened happened because you wanted it. If it really worried you so much you'd make sure the jacket was on before you got so "entwined".

Coming inside her and then announcing you won't go back is like finishing a meal and saying you won't go back for more. YOU got what you wanted already.
Your response is harsh - I accept that, but, let me explain as best I can...

Yes it was 4 times, however it was 4 times over the past 7 years - 7 YEARS!

"The reaction of most guys would (and should)"... is an interesting statement - I think most guys would have reacted the same as me (shocked, scared, excited, horny, hard, engorged, adrenalin pumping, your brain spinning, the little head in full control, nothing but animal instinc of hedonistic desire driving the bus) it took me (and probably most guys IMHO) at least 10 seconds for the big head to regain control. The problem is, that 10 seconds is all it took!

Calling me a "Dick Head" is rude. I am sorry I did not handle it the way you would have. We all all human. All I can say is that I got myself checked. I am all good (STD free) and passed nothing on to hurt any of you fine people. I simply had questions and concerns - none of which you helped with.

Thank you for your input.
 

t1163

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The coziness of a regular situation in a familiar setting could lead to feelings of intimacy: love. That could lead to a desire for uncovered sex.
That's how I felt. I don't know how she felt though - maybe the same as me, maybe not? I can't tell if she is acting or truly in Love with me? Why else would I write on the board and ask opinions! I simply don't know why?

I am involved in this hobby for sex - not love. The rub though is, that the "sex" is better (for me) when there are feelings of intimacy, and, those feelings of intimacy are almost indistinguishable from love, at times. Once I have been with the same SP for a few months I feel that a bond begins to develop. This "bond" tends to lead to (as Mimi says) "a coziness of a regular situation in a familiar setting...".

I cannot tell if the SP has feelings of love for me or not? The problem is (once the big head gets control) I have to convince myself that (IF?) it is not love, I have to assume it (could?) be something more seductive &/or sinister?????

If it was love, I am an idiot and I should have stayed & talked.

If she is simply a great actress, I did the right thing and walked.
 

t1163

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Perhaps she was caught up in the moment just as you were. Or she has monetary motivations in mind. Or she wants a baby. Or she's HIV positive & looking to pass it on.
All the same questions I had - my reason for this thread!
 

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yes this happens more often than people think, perhaps with the asian providers who are not as well acquainted with western standards for medical health issues this is a result of lack of information in their own language being available

with the chinese I find a mix of traditional medical health thinking and bits and pieces they may have picked up here and there. the traditional medical thinking is a mixture of folklore and formal chinese medical teaching

not a lot of built on proven medical fact finding though such as with western medication. not saying one is better than another, just that your average westerner is better informed with regard to health issues than your average asian

t1163, good for you for coming forward and braving the negative personal comments from the cheap seats. to answer your question from a personal perspective it has been offered many times from sp's who have gotten comfortable with my person, perhaps ignorance of risk, perhaps a result of someone who inside is lonely and craves a deeper connection with someone but finds that challenging from an occupational perspective

no doubt sp's have relationship dreams, needs/wants and when in close proximity to someone they feel cares about them (not to mention the proximity to intimacy) they might feel this is some way of achieving a deeper connection, not in all cases but probably some

then again, it could be they just crave a better sexual experience or competitive edge regarding repeat customers

no doubt different strokes for different folks, highly dangerous activity to be sure..............
 

t1163

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yes this happens more often than people think, perhaps with the asian providers who are not as well acquainted with western standards for medical health issues this is a result of lack of information in their own language being available

with the chinese I find a mix of traditional medical health thinking and bits and pieces they may have picked up here and there. the traditional medical thinking is a mixture of folklore and formal chinese medical teaching

not a lot of built on proven medical fact finding though such as with western medication. not saying one is better than another, just that your average westerner is better informed with regard to health issues than your average asian

t1163, good for you for coming forward and braving the negative personal comments from the cheap seats. to answer your question from a personal perspective it has been offered many times from sp's who have gotten comfortable with my person, perhaps ignorance of risk, perhaps a result of someone who inside is lonely and craves a deeper connection with someone but finds that challenging from an occupational perspective

no doubt sp's have relationship dreams, needs/wants and when in close proximity to someone they feel cares about them (not to mention the proximity to intimacy) they might feel this is some way of achieving a deeper connection, not in all cases but probably some

then again, it could be they just crave a better sexual experience or competitive edge regarding repeat customers

no doubt different strokes for different folks, highly dangerous activity to be sure..............
Thank you for the kudos. I agree, too dangerous for me, which is why I walked. The trouble is, I feel guilty for walking. I really liked these women. However, a little voice in the back of my head keeps telling me that if she did this for me... how many times has she done this in the past?
 

Sonny

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At least with these providers you had to repeat a few times before you can bareback them.
What's even scarier are the MM, Maggie and Windsor type places. All those places will offer bareback on your first visit with only a $40 tip.
Why do you think those places are so popular with the same pooners on here always pumping their tires.
You join in April and have two posts. In the first you slam Maggie and Lisa at Windsor. Now you have this second post, again about Windsor.
Yep, there have been some posts regarding BBFS with certain SPs at MM and Maggie for extra two green donation.
However, there has been no suggestion by posters that Windsor does the same.
Just what do you base your generalization on, NowNow?
 

lenny

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There are men out there as well that request BBFS. I actually had a call last night from someone enquiring about my services and he offered me an extra $1,000 on top of my regular rate for a half hour BBFS session and I told him that I wouldn't even do it for $10,000 and needless to say, I didn't book with him. I always play safe and there is no amount of money that would tempt me to compromise that. Sp's get this request more often than people may realize.
It would be advisable for SP's to see recent all negative STD tests from any client they engage in BBFS. Or otherwise to recieve compensation commensurate with the increased risk, which is about 85% more as it regards HIV alone.
 

lenny

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Like I said, there is NO amount of $ anyone could offer me that would get me to compromise my health and safety so there is no need for me to ask a client for a "recent all negative STD test" so I can do "safe" BBFS with him because that is something I don't engage in.
Of course that is up to you. Though a random SP whose customer has just tested negative for STDs & does not cum inside her during BBFS is more or less as safe as the SP who has CFS with a client whose health status (e.g. he may have HIV, high viral load & other STIs) she has no clue about. If the former can also make 2, 5, 10, or 20 times as much cash as the latter, or than she usually makes with CFS, then i say, good for her.
 

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ok , ok we get it Chelsea..... you would not take a load for 10's of thousands of dollars.
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yeah right !!!
She's made it perfectly clear that any monetary value is not worth the risk. She is protecting herself AND at the same time protecting her clients.
 

vince_chase

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Of course that is up to you. Though a random SP whose customer has just tested negative for STDs & does not cum inside her during BBFS is more or less as safe as the SP who has CFS with a client whose health status (e.g. he may have HIV, high viral load & other STIs) she has no clue about. If the former can also make 2, 5, 10, or 20 times as much cash as the latter, or than she usually makes with CFS, then i say, good for her.
Hi!

if i know a SP who has seen a client with BBFS, I would not visit her ever. a negative test only says that upto about 3 months ago he is HIV free.never mind whole bunch other crap that he may have.CUM is NOT the only way you can contract HIV! in BBFS, if she has pre-menstral blood or if the vagina is not well lubricated and your penis has small cuts from rough sex - these are all potential ways of contracting HIV or a host of other STDs.

wow, i am kind of freaked out on how people just want to play with fire!

SPs, please give some feedback on the OP's experiences, is this REALLY happening out there? i have had some regulars before for 8-10 months, BBFS was never asked and never given.

FU&King stupid people!!! if someone really needs intimancy this bad, get a real boyfriend/husband/wife.
 

emilioa4

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it should be an issue of personal comfort for the SP. like Lenny said, the risk factor of someone who is perfectly clean is probably far less than someone who has something and still uses a condom. remember, condoms are not 100% effective, thus if the client were to withhold that info and proceeded with intercourse, the SP is under false pretense. I agree that BB sex is risky, however the tone in Chelsea's reply to lenny's comment lends to a biased point of view. Im not defending him by any means, but the reality of the risk is quite clear in that comparison and makes for a valid point. my intent of this comment was only to point out that just simply putting a condom on and calling yourself risk free while putting down people who prefer or seek BB is assinine. this is a risky hobby to begin with, do the ladies here really know the health state of every guy that theyve been with? I highly doubt it. you dont want to offer it? fine, just say no. but to chastise someone who wants it when you dont know the history of every man in the past is a hypocrite.
 

blazejowski

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She's made it perfectly clear that any monetary value is not worth the risk. She is protecting herself AND at the same time protecting her clients.
Exactly... money's not worth it if you get an STI - money can't buy you a herpes cure, or an HIV cure...
I wish every SP had the common sense that Chelsea has....
 

emilioa4

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ok but who says you cant get herpes while wearing a condom?? a body condom maybe?? remember I am not trying to defend BB sex, but the logic behind it and the "false security" people tend to hide behind condom usage needs to be better understood. the risk in this hobby is quite high, regardless of condom usage or not. what i just dont get is the ostracizing of people who seek certain things, when really squirting or golden showers or DFK or any of those things puts you at just as much risk as BB.
 

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It happens. Happened to me twice in the last few months with two different SP's. I mean, it almost happened, I stopped it each time. One of them even tried BB Greek! Yes, it is easy for a lady to do, you can be in the midst of things and she is stroking you and next thing you know she is starting to slide you home. Each time I told her I don't do that, we need a cover. I have never seen either of them again and wouldn't. If I had been really smart I would have ended the sessions then and there, but I guess I am not that smart. Over my pooning years it has happened to me many times. Sometimes with a regular, sometimes on the first meeting, sometimes only after only a couple. There is no real pattern.
 

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ok but who says you cant get herpes while wearing a condom?? a body condom maybe?? remember I am not trying to defend BB sex, but the logic behind it and the "false security" people tend to hide behind condom usage needs to be better understood. the risk in this hobby is quite high, regardless of condom usage or not. what i just dont get is the ostracizing of people who seek certain things, when really squirting or golden showers or DFK or any of those things puts you at just as much risk as BB.
What a load of rubbish. Comments like that belong in the health forum. I wouldn't be surprised if the post, and my quote of it end up being deleted.
 

vince_chase

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it should be an issue of personal comfort for the SP. like Lenny said, the risk factor of someone who is perfectly clean is probably far less than someone who has something and still uses a condom. remember, condoms are not 100% effective, thus if the client were to withhold that info and proceeded with intercourse, the SP is under false pretense. I agree that BB sex is risky, however the tone in Chelsea's reply to lenny's comment lends to a biased point of view. Im not defending him by any means, but the reality of the risk is quite clear in that comparison and makes for a valid point. my intent of this comment was only to point out that just simply putting a condom on and calling yourself risk free while putting down people who prefer or seek BB is assinine. this is a risky hobby to begin with, do the ladies here really know the health state of every guy that theyve been with? I highly doubt it. you dont want to offer it? fine, just say no. but to chastise someone who wants it when you dont know the history of every man in the past is a hypocrite.
OK, i don't usually get too hot about most topics, however, this one is personal since i "dip my pen" in the same ink sort of speak.

PEOPLE, NO BBFS! stop talking about "someone who is perfectly clean" when talking about a Client or a SP, how old are you? how naive can you be? if condom is not 100% effective, how effective is your bare dick in protecting you?

Sounds like most people have little or no knowlege in STD transmission. in fact, a condom can protect you from most STDs(not all) including HIV.
test after test have been done in the last 10-20 years, health science has proven this, it is now a fact, not a myth.

but to chastise someone who wants it when you dont know the history of every man in the past is a hypocrite

read your own statement, condom is a bare min. for the exact reason you just stated for all SPs. Any SPs that don't use condom either already has HIV or just simply on a suicide mission.
 
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