You simply stated the obvious with your OP, Athaire. The truth is, you simply wanted to stir the pot. Admit it.
My question is Why?
You can find inappropiate things being said On PERB during any 12 hour period. That's what we have the Mods for.
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My question is Why?
You can find inappropiate things being said On PERB during any 12 hour period. That's what we have the Mods for.
So I can assume then that you agree with me? I find a great deal of relief in that we have some kind of common ground to build upon.
While I can appreciate athaire went threw a close call situation awhile back how long is he going to cry over the issue? We have heard your cries long enough. Get on with your life and get over it. You are still here, breathing and somewhat ok (that’s a matter of opinion) so quit your dam whining.
He seems to think everyone is outing everyone when they are not. He takes the slightest little info and runs wild with it making a mountain out of a mole hill. I backed one lady up when he was antagonizing her he now thinks I believe in outing people because that is what he accuses her off. This thinking is warped, seriously get a life.
Yesterdays posts were not productive except to upset everyone so to bring this up after it was all deleted is just reopening the thread for what the 4th time now over a few days. You are simply trying to stir the pot again and I am glad everyone can see it. You know you are going to get people asking questions in back channel in which gossip and info gets changed and becomes more dramatic hurting people’s reputations. You are trying to discredit a few sp’s. I urge everyone to take what he says with a grain of salt.
Just get a life off the boards and start pooning that’s what it is about not sitting here posting drivel everyday. I am not saying leave all together but get out and enjoy the fresh air. Stop provoking and if you cant then maybe you should seriously think about leaving before you get voted off the island.
Now that people have called you out you start posting the innocent victim card again. Everyone is onto your game - you really are not fooling anyone. In the past people have been banned for reopening closed threads.
He seems to think everyone is outing everyone when they are not. He takes the slightest little info and runs wild with it making a mountain out of a mole hill. I backed one lady up when he was antagonizing her he now thinks I believe in outing people because that is what he accuses her off. This thinking is warped, seriously get a life.
Yesterdays posts were not productive except to upset everyone so to bring this up after it was all deleted is just reopening the thread for what the 4th time now over a few days. You are simply trying to stir the pot again and I am glad everyone can see it. You know you are going to get people asking questions in back channel in which gossip and info gets changed and becomes more dramatic hurting people’s reputations. You are trying to discredit a few sp’s. I urge everyone to take what he says with a grain of salt.
Just get a life off the boards and start pooning that’s what it is about not sitting here posting drivel everyday. I am not saying leave all together but get out and enjoy the fresh air. Stop provoking and if you cant then maybe you should seriously think about leaving before you get voted off the island.
Now that people have called you out you start posting the innocent victim card again. Everyone is onto your game - you really are not fooling anyone. In the past people have been banned for reopening closed threads.
I have to agree with PeaceGuy on this Lauren. From your posts it's obvious their opinions do hurt you.
Have to grow a thick skin is what PeaceGuy is saying. You're in a tough business and growing a thick skin is probably the number one prerequisite!
A thick skin, but not a prickly porcupine skin!!I have to agree with PeaceGuy on this Lauren. From your posts it's obvious their opinions do hurt you.
Have to grow a thick skin is what PeaceGuy is saying. You're in a tough business and growing a thick skin is probably the number one prerequisite!
Reacting with venom or bites is never the best approach, but then neither is underhanded poor innocent me victim approach work on most people.
notolds original thread was, as msB states, a direct attack on JL. You can pretty it up anyway yuo want, but that is exactly what it was. Do this, or else. Blackmail, threats, intimidation, claims with proof, whatever else he managed to come up with in one post. It was juvenile, and probably instigated by someone else who did not want to be blamed for it. As he stated when asked, he had already had a great session with JL. So what the hell is the problem? Trying to out personal information, by blackmailing them into showing them their identification? Is that what this thread is about? Because if it isn't, it sure the hell should have been.
Who cares really? If you participate and expose yourself on these boards then you are opening yourself up to the possibility of being outed. The ladies do it everyday. Being a John shouldn't give you a special privilege. You act like a cocksucker or a rat then you deserve to be as vulnerable as the ladies are. It's the douchebags in this industry that need to be exposed. They gather information and put the women at risk. And they seem to get a free ride because they are the consumers. I don't get it.
Carry on.
Carry on.
Actually, I think it's a good question if we can keep it on topic.
Took me a while to compose this one. Sorry if some of it has already been covered in the meantime.
I also don't believe that it was anywhere near the "worst case of outing" ever to be seen on these forums. Nobody's real name or "private and personal" information was outed in that post. A reference to two ladies previous working names were mentioned. And while I understand why members were upset by this with regards to these two specific ladies, it's hardly the same as having the ladies real name posted, which I have seen happen to a number of other women.
Some examples from my perspective of varying degrees of indiscretion that I've personally witnessed:
I'm in session with a well reviewed, reputable SP who knows that I've also seen an SP that she is friends with. I don't know if she knows that this other SP and I are on fairly close terms or not. We were. But anyway, during the massage part of our session, she asks me, "Have you talked to (SP's real name) -- I mean (SP's working name) lately?"
I go to an SP's place for a session. Mention something to her in passing about the decor of her place. SP says, "Oh, you know, (Forum Member handle 1) said the same thing when he was here. And (Forum Member handle 2) said "whatever he said" when he was here." -- Maybe those forum members don't want certain other forum members knowing who they see. Maybe I prefer to keep who I see to myself and to a select few other members that I'm comfortable sharing that information with. Obviously, the only caveat to that is if I've posted rather publicly that I've seen her, in which case, obviously I don't mind. I hope that makes sense.
I call up a reputable, well reviewed SP that I've been interested in seeing for a while. I'm always nervous on the phone and starting to go through my issues with her that I do to ensure that she might be comfortable seeing me. I know that she's just trying to put me at ease when she suddenly says something like, "Don't worry. (SP that I've seen previously) told me that you saw her and gave you a very nice recommendation." I never asked for her to talk about me to this SP and certainly never asked her to be a reference, so I have no idea why she may have been talking about me to another SP.
Here's a doozy! There was an SP that I saw a few times and admittedly we got a little too comfortable around each other. One day, she checks the voice mail of her personal phone in front of me and somone has left a message for her using her real name. Plus, she keeps various diplomas she's earned hanging on the wall of her place, all with her real name on them. One day, she's telling me this travel story and she gets to a moment in the story and stops herself and says something like, "Oh, I almost mentioned my real name to you." Like she still wants to keep it a secret. Which is fine but I can't stop myself from cracking a smile, while wondering if she's being serious. And she asks, "What's so funny?" I always call her by her working name when we talk so maybe she really hasn't realised what she's done but I go ahead and tell her that I've known her real name for a while. She challenges me with a typical, "Oh yeah?! What is it?!" I tell her straight out and she gasps. And I have to remind her about the time she checked her personal phone messages right in front of me.
I got a PM the other day from a lady that I've seen before. She mentioned to me that she's now working somewhere new under a new alias and that I can come see her there if I want. But she also mentions that she wants it kept as discrete as possible and asks me to only share that information with others who I trust can be as discrete. And you know what? Quite frankly, because of that, I wouldn't tell ANYBODY else on any of the forums about it. I'm sure that it's only a matter of time before we see the first post on one of the forums saying I went to (name of location) and saw (her new working name) and it's (her old working name) rebranded and she's working there now. But they won't hear it from me.
Anyway, we discuss them on these forums. I now firmly believe that many of them discuss us with each other and we all know that many of them will talk about other SPs with us. Discretion is the number one rule but sadly, I think it gets broken far more often than we'd like to admit.
Took me a while to compose this one. Sorry if some of it has already been covered in the meantime.
Interesting double standard. Could it be that you're simply more willing to forgive the mistake when it's made by someone that you like than when it's someone that you have issues with? I saw a bit of the drama from the thread being discussed. By the time I was reading it, the "offending post" had been deleted by the member that posted it, which demonstrates to me that even if she posted in the heat of the moment, she recognized the error and corrected it. The only reason I was even aware of what had been posted was because it was quoted by other members who apparently were so offended by it that they wanted to berate the member who posted it and in doing so were inadvertently perpetuating the lack of discretion they were so offended by. I should note that while athaire and I dislike each other greatly, I give him credit that he at least had the forethought to not quote the offending post and give that member the chance to rectify her mistake. Just need to make it painfully obvious that I'm not trying to take a shot at him here.
I also don't believe that it was anywhere near the "worst case of outing" ever to be seen on these forums. Nobody's real name or "private and personal" information was outed in that post. A reference to two ladies previous working names were mentioned. And while I understand why members were upset by this with regards to these two specific ladies, it's hardly the same as having the ladies real name posted, which I have seen happen to a number of other women.
I have never done it and I hope that I never do this even by accident. However, I've become all too aware that a larger number of people involved in this business aren't as discrete as we all hope. Some people simply have a different idea of what "discretion" should really entail. So, maybe I should give athaire some credit for starting this topic. (By the way, athaire, I'll go on record right now as saying that I don't think you started this topic to stir shit in this instance. I understand why you'd be sensitive to this topic these days. Unfortunately, your rep is now one that members will always wonder what your ulterior motives might be, so they will look for impropriety from you even when none is intended and sadly, even the appearance of impropriety can sometimes be as damning for a person as actual impropriety.)
Some examples from my perspective of varying degrees of indiscretion that I've personally witnessed:
I'm in session with a well reviewed, reputable SP who knows that I've also seen an SP that she is friends with. I don't know if she knows that this other SP and I are on fairly close terms or not. We were. But anyway, during the massage part of our session, she asks me, "Have you talked to (SP's real name) -- I mean (SP's working name) lately?"
I go to an SP's place for a session. Mention something to her in passing about the decor of her place. SP says, "Oh, you know, (Forum Member handle 1) said the same thing when he was here. And (Forum Member handle 2) said "whatever he said" when he was here." -- Maybe those forum members don't want certain other forum members knowing who they see. Maybe I prefer to keep who I see to myself and to a select few other members that I'm comfortable sharing that information with. Obviously, the only caveat to that is if I've posted rather publicly that I've seen her, in which case, obviously I don't mind. I hope that makes sense.
I call up a reputable, well reviewed SP that I've been interested in seeing for a while. I'm always nervous on the phone and starting to go through my issues with her that I do to ensure that she might be comfortable seeing me. I know that she's just trying to put me at ease when she suddenly says something like, "Don't worry. (SP that I've seen previously) told me that you saw her and gave you a very nice recommendation." I never asked for her to talk about me to this SP and certainly never asked her to be a reference, so I have no idea why she may have been talking about me to another SP.
Here's a doozy! There was an SP that I saw a few times and admittedly we got a little too comfortable around each other. One day, she checks the voice mail of her personal phone in front of me and somone has left a message for her using her real name. Plus, she keeps various diplomas she's earned hanging on the wall of her place, all with her real name on them. One day, she's telling me this travel story and she gets to a moment in the story and stops herself and says something like, "Oh, I almost mentioned my real name to you." Like she still wants to keep it a secret. Which is fine but I can't stop myself from cracking a smile, while wondering if she's being serious. And she asks, "What's so funny?" I always call her by her working name when we talk so maybe she really hasn't realised what she's done but I go ahead and tell her that I've known her real name for a while. She challenges me with a typical, "Oh yeah?! What is it?!" I tell her straight out and she gasps. And I have to remind her about the time she checked her personal phone messages right in front of me.
I got a PM the other day from a lady that I've seen before. She mentioned to me that she's now working somewhere new under a new alias and that I can come see her there if I want. But she also mentions that she wants it kept as discrete as possible and asks me to only share that information with others who I trust can be as discrete. And you know what? Quite frankly, because of that, I wouldn't tell ANYBODY else on any of the forums about it. I'm sure that it's only a matter of time before we see the first post on one of the forums saying I went to (name of location) and saw (her new working name) and it's (her old working name) rebranded and she's working there now. But they won't hear it from me.
Anyway, we discuss them on these forums. I now firmly believe that many of them discuss us with each other and we all know that many of them will talk about other SPs with us. Discretion is the number one rule but sadly, I think it gets broken far more often than we'd like to admit.
You know what? I see your point. And I can see why it would be traumatizing for the SP being mentioned. I certainly didn't mean to downplay the seriousness of that. But I have literally seen posts where a woman's full name and certain detailed aspects of her life were posted publicly for everyone to see.
But you did mention the previous working names, just as bad, for you linked them again, shame, shame, shameJaimeLane;1029482[COLOR="Red" said:
How about instead of bothering Jamie go to fulltiltpocket.net. Rush poker. If that doesn"t help your agressiveness then...........................
I can see where mentioning a girl's previous working name is bad if she's being stalked. That's probably a rare occurence. But I also think many would change their working names if they've gotten bad reviews under their previous name.But you did mention the previous working names, just as bad, for you linked them again, shame, shame, shame
In that case, is it justified to mention it?? I didn't know it was against the rules of PERB as I've read reviews where a girl's previous aliases were mentioned. Just asking.
I gotta say that I am not without some culpability here. After reading Mia's, Ariel's and Man Mountain's stories it got me to thinking about my own discretion issues. And I remembered having a nice lunch with a popular provider a couple years back and during the meal I was gushing about a recent relationship change I had and name dropped a providers real name a couple of times. It was more like switching from real name to working name seamlessly.
She immediately pointed it out to me and we both realized that it was due to the fact that familiarity had set in and being as I knew this provider by name rather than working handle that was the reason I was using the name.
I wonder if the closeness we cultivate with the providers that offer a really superior GFE etc causes us to feel more at ease and safer due to a "relationship" of sorts? I think in my case that is certainly what happened. The wonderful lady I had lunch with and I had a wonderful relationship and I think that I was not as on guard around her as I normally would have been with others....
She immediately pointed it out to me and we both realized that it was due to the fact that familiarity had set in and being as I knew this provider by name rather than working handle that was the reason I was using the name.
I wonder if the closeness we cultivate with the providers that offer a really superior GFE etc causes us to feel more at ease and safer due to a "relationship" of sorts? I think in my case that is certainly what happened. The wonderful lady I had lunch with and I had a wonderful relationship and I think that I was not as on guard around her as I normally would have been with others....
Honestly I don't know of any "rules" to speak of regarding this topic.....aside from the golden rule of never tell private info etc.....but I would like to know if there is a rule as well somewhere. And if there isn't should there be?
As far as the girls hiding from bad reputations......I have taken part in exposing this kind of thing in the past. At the time I thought I was doing something just and right....now.....I don't know, did I have the right to do that? As it turns out the girl I mention turned her rep around and alls well that ends well......but I gotta ask myself if I should have been as tenacious as I was at the time.......
It hasn’t just been the last few months it has been happening for the entire existence of these boards. It only now is affecting the newer members who do not have the knowledge of past history.
What do you expect really you come onto escort review boards where there is every kind of person and personality - alcoholics, drug addicts, mental illness etc all with an opinion or ulterior motive. Personalities really clash sometimes and misunderstandings happen especially in the written form when you can not see body language or hear the tone of voice.
Anyone remember statistics and percentages? Now I do not agree with outings at all EVER but you know the old saying if you can’t do the time don’t do the crime. Surely everyone has thought at some point the ramifications of being caught. Whether it is sleeping on the couch for 2 weeks or losing half your pension. I know full well if caught my wife walks. I partake in the hobby knowing that which is a big difference then some who live in a fantasy world thinking that nothing will ever happen to you.
Lets not forget the beginning of this shit storm on the weekend in the original thread's motives by not2old was he tried to blackmail JL into showing him her identification (to prove age), which is pretty despicable.
imo, athaire is supporting the outing of JL personal information, by seeming to support the original posters thoughts, and by then going on to present this new thread in a way that tries to re-post a 3 x's deleted thread.
Wow....that is a stretch considering I have publically stated on more than one occasion i am against outing that kind of info. No where have I presented the same thread, though some posters have indeed taken the opportunity to mention it. I can see you are not of a mind to discuss discretion calmly with an open mind at all.
seems YOU have axe to grinding against athaire and not2old, fruitloops angie maybe???
Let it go TEU there is no need to engage. I have earned the attention I get from some, others feel it is a right to heap on more. So be it......no need to feed the fire.
