During the course of a recent interview on Face The Nation with host Bob Schieffer, Dick Cheney used these exact words" blew up the World Trade Center" in reference to the Al Queda network which according to the official version masterminded the 9-11 operation. Freudian slip... since this implies the use of explosives to bring them down.
Dick Cheney: Freudian slip
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The official story of the twin towers falling was that it was caused by a fire. The ex- Vice President is admitting that they were blown up by explosives. No, that's pretty serious, there's no joke in there.
Don't be so naive!
It was clearly The Rand Corporation in conjunction with the saucer people under the supervison of reverse vampires.
Here's a diagram:
We're through the looking-glass here people!
GOD loves Cheney too
Cmon people.
Do we really need to think that there is some covert world order pulling all of the strings ? 9/11 just a complex illusion.....Obama a puppet ?
I guess it's just too much to bear to believe that all the chaos, the unpredictability of it all, the fragility of anyone and everyone that we need to start making up stories for things that happen. Are we so driven by our need to control our destiny that we need to alter the truth, or create a truth, in order to make it through the day ? I believe so. Isn't this why people flock to religion ? The idea of death , the very end and then nothing, it's too hard to fathom so we've gone and created some amazing supernatural being and a story to give us a sense of purpose, a reason for being, a hereafter, and a reason to get out of bed in the morning.
Maybe the truth is some disillusioned men looked for an excuse for their problems and hardships and they targeted their rage on the USA. Perhaps the terrorists of 9/11 were acting just like the conspiracy theorists....desperately trying to deal with their fears by taking charge of fate and creating their own truth, however distorted, in order to give meaning to the chaos--to give understanding and a sense of direction and purpose for their lives ? God is great ! Allahu Akbar !
Maybe Obama is just a man with ideals and he was put into power by all the people of his country who believe he is best trusted to steer their ship. No doubt there will be corporations and people of power who will try to pervert the course and the process for their own agenda. If we're so concerned about the integrity of our institutions, shouldn't we get involved first hand in the process. no ? Or, should we loose sleep and let our fears drive us to paranoia and speculation, and maybe even destruction.
If you're hit by a bus tommorrow and you're lying on the pavement feeling your life force leave your body, will you be wondering if you spent too much time thinking about 9/11 ? Too much time warning people of the evil bankers and oilmen who are playing a chessgame with our lives ? Will the last words you whisper be " Fuck Cheney and the men that put oil in this bus that ended my days " ?
Cmon people.
Do we really need to think that there is some covert world order pulling all of the strings ? 9/11 just a complex illusion.....Obama a puppet ?
I guess it's just too much to bear to believe that all the chaos, the unpredictability of it all, the fragility of anyone and everyone that we need to start making up stories for things that happen. Are we so driven by our need to control our destiny that we need to alter the truth, or create a truth, in order to make it through the day ? I believe so. Isn't this why people flock to religion ? The idea of death , the very end and then nothing, it's too hard to fathom so we've gone and created some amazing supernatural being and a story to give us a sense of purpose, a reason for being, a hereafter, and a reason to get out of bed in the morning.
Maybe the truth is some disillusioned men looked for an excuse for their problems and hardships and they targeted their rage on the USA. Perhaps the terrorists of 9/11 were acting just like the conspiracy theorists....desperately trying to deal with their fears by taking charge of fate and creating their own truth, however distorted, in order to give meaning to the chaos--to give understanding and a sense of direction and purpose for their lives ? God is great ! Allahu Akbar !
Maybe Obama is just a man with ideals and he was put into power by all the people of his country who believe he is best trusted to steer their ship. No doubt there will be corporations and people of power who will try to pervert the course and the process for their own agenda. If we're so concerned about the integrity of our institutions, shouldn't we get involved first hand in the process. no ? Or, should we loose sleep and let our fears drive us to paranoia and speculation, and maybe even destruction.
If you're hit by a bus tommorrow and you're lying on the pavement feeling your life force leave your body, will you be wondering if you spent too much time thinking about 9/11 ? Too much time warning people of the evil bankers and oilmen who are playing a chessgame with our lives ? Will the last words you whisper be " Fuck Cheney and the men that put oil in this bus that ended my days " ?
I have family and friends there as well, and I believed the official story like everyone else, in the beggining, but as the years have gone by there has been no logical explanation for what happened. The 9/11 Commission was a complete cover-up. Forget about the left, right paradigm. This is not about Democrats or Republicans, they all had knowledge of this, and they are equally to blame. Cynthia Mckinney, Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are the only three that have breaken ranks. There is a list of inconsistencies from that day besides the twin towers collapsing.
The list is long:
1) Standard operating procedures were not followed by NORAD
2) Otis Fighter Jets were put into a delaying holding pattern over the Atlantic
3) Langley Fighter Jets were ordered over the Atlantic
4) Fighters at Andrews AFB DID NOT protect nation capital or Pentagon
5) NORAD has been well-prepared for major emergencies since 1961
6) War Games on 9/11 helped paralyze the U.S. Air Force
7) WTC collapses reveal eleven features of controlled demolitions
8) Oral evidence from firefighters: the WTC Towers were" DEMOLISHED"
9) Federal government broke the law by rapid removal of steel debris
10) Bush remaining in Florida Classroom inconsistent with all protocols
And that's just a few.
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Conspiracy theories
I don't get how these wacky conspiracy theories are taken seriously. Is it because Americans can't wrap their thinking around the fact that some dust filled goathearders from mesopotamia masterminded a successful attack against their world trade centres in the US of A? What's going to be next, that aliens were behind it? If you scrutinize the videos close enough maybe you can find bigfoot in there too.
I don't get how these wacky conspiracy theories are taken seriously. Is it because Americans can't wrap their thinking around the fact that some dust filled goathearders from mesopotamia masterminded a successful attack against their world trade centres in the US of A? What's going to be next, that aliens were behind it? If you scrutinize the videos close enough maybe you can find bigfoot in there too.
Your right...it is a conspiracy theory to think that 17 Arabs with boxcutters led by a man in a cave could overcome the most sophisticated intelligence apparatus in the world. How gullible can we be?
And what would said apparatus be?
Good lord, people - it's been proven that the fireproofing was blown off from the impact of the planes, which led to the steel support beams being exposed to the burning jet fuel/office furniture, which weakened them significantly. All it took for those buildings to collapse was one floor being compromised, and anyone who believes differently is an idiot...
Exactly... keep the conspiracy garbage to the Tinfoil Hat forum...Oh gawd, didn't this die with SilkyJohnson???
And finally...
PERB post of the week right here!!!Don't be so naive!
It was clearly The Rand Corporation in conjunction with the saucer people under the supervison of reverse vampires.
Here's a diagram:
We're through the looking-glass here people!
Maybe the mods should create a new sub-forum just for wacked-out threads.And what would said apparatus be?
Good lord, people - it's been proven that the fireproofing was blown off from the impact of the planes, which led to the steel support beams being exposed to the burning jet fuel/office furniture, which weakened them significantly. All it took for those buildings to collapse was one floor being compromised, and anyone who believes differently is an idiot...
Exactly... keep the conspiracy garbage to the Tinfoil Hat forum...
And finally...
PERB post of the week right here!!!
I understand why people come up with conspiracy theories, but to take it seriously?
Most people think any major events that ever happened or will happen are planned in some back room with people with major military, political, and economical clout (maybe even religious), like the now extinct Illuminati's, but would these people be?
Royalties? You truly believe the House of Windors, the House of Saud, the Japanese Imperial family, plus the House of Tupou must all have the same goal of enslaving the world and are working behind the scenes to do it? Where do those disposed royals fit in? If they're so powerful, shouldn't they still be in power?
Extremely wealthy people? People like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet..... wh would those "new money" be part of it? The Rockefellers or the Rothschild, etc..... with a long list of descendants, the "secret society group" wouldn't be meeting in backrooms, they'd be holding a month long convention to get everyone together, lol.
Oil, Arms, "sin products" industy leaders? You mean those publically traded companies, where in theory if you believe they're influencing world events to get more money, you can easily invest in those companies to get part of the profits?
Does anyone ever wonder why they call them conspiracy theories? It's because the are not called conspiracy evidence.
I always find it amazing that people believe in THIS conspiracy theory. After almost 8 years not one shred of evidence has ever been discovered. Not ONE.
Not one person has come forward to reveal their small part in this gigantic conspiracy. Amazing.
What I think is the most common characteristic of all believers is their lack of common sense. Whether it be the guys such as Richard Gage and all his Architects and Engineers, with or without credentials. Maybe is Webster Tarplay, and all his previous insanity about other conspiracies. Steven Jones, the brilliant professor from BYU, who was asked to resign from the school, because the faculty of Engineering wanted nothing to do with his paper. Jim Fetzer is another genius whos claim have no substance behind them. Personally, I think the Loose Change guys are the best. They kept changing their movie because they just didn't get their facts straight. They mine quoted people, lied, used partial statements. How else can you explain that they made the definitive movie about 911 3 times. If something is true, you shouldn't have to change your position. Up until today, there has not been 1 peer reviewed paper regarding anything that supports a conspiracy. Not one. You would think that in 8 years they would have found something.
All these troofers work backwards. They only look for things that support their position. They don't look at the facts. If they really want to know the truth, they should be open to all information, regardless if it supports their position or not.
Really conspiracy theorists, listen to yourselves.. Every single claim made by the 911 troofers has been debunked repeatedly. Of course you will all say that the debunkers are in on it, so there is no pleasing you guys.
We went through this exercise first with Silky, and then his alter ego lightheaded, and it doesn't matter how much evidence or proof is shown you guys just dismiss it as lies.
One might want to look into their motives as to why they support their position. I would venture to say most are against the wars in Iraq and Afganistan, and to a certain degree I support that notion. Iraq is just plain stupid. We have the Bush Administration for that. Afganistan, well, that is another story. I do believe you cannot have rogue nations supporting world wide terrorism. Did they go about it properly. Probably not, but that doesn't make them guilty of 911. Stupidity, ineptness, by all means. Conspiracy, I don't think so.
The 911 troof movement is essentially dead. Only a few stalwarts are hanging on, for what, they don't even know.
I wanted to add my 2 cents here, but I will not partake in any further discussion because it doesn't solve anything. The troofers have their minds made up and they will not change. Of course, if they do find ANY EVIDENCE, I might be coaxed into changing my mind, but 8 years later with only thoughts and theories on their side, I don't think that will change.
I always find it amazing that people believe in THIS conspiracy theory. After almost 8 years not one shred of evidence has ever been discovered. Not ONE.
Not one person has come forward to reveal their small part in this gigantic conspiracy. Amazing.
What I think is the most common characteristic of all believers is their lack of common sense. Whether it be the guys such as Richard Gage and all his Architects and Engineers, with or without credentials. Maybe is Webster Tarplay, and all his previous insanity about other conspiracies. Steven Jones, the brilliant professor from BYU, who was asked to resign from the school, because the faculty of Engineering wanted nothing to do with his paper. Jim Fetzer is another genius whos claim have no substance behind them. Personally, I think the Loose Change guys are the best. They kept changing their movie because they just didn't get their facts straight. They mine quoted people, lied, used partial statements. How else can you explain that they made the definitive movie about 911 3 times. If something is true, you shouldn't have to change your position. Up until today, there has not been 1 peer reviewed paper regarding anything that supports a conspiracy. Not one. You would think that in 8 years they would have found something.
All these troofers work backwards. They only look for things that support their position. They don't look at the facts. If they really want to know the truth, they should be open to all information, regardless if it supports their position or not.
Really conspiracy theorists, listen to yourselves.. Every single claim made by the 911 troofers has been debunked repeatedly. Of course you will all say that the debunkers are in on it, so there is no pleasing you guys.
We went through this exercise first with Silky, and then his alter ego lightheaded, and it doesn't matter how much evidence or proof is shown you guys just dismiss it as lies.
One might want to look into their motives as to why they support their position. I would venture to say most are against the wars in Iraq and Afganistan, and to a certain degree I support that notion. Iraq is just plain stupid. We have the Bush Administration for that. Afganistan, well, that is another story. I do believe you cannot have rogue nations supporting world wide terrorism. Did they go about it properly. Probably not, but that doesn't make them guilty of 911. Stupidity, ineptness, by all means. Conspiracy, I don't think so.
The 911 troof movement is essentially dead. Only a few stalwarts are hanging on, for what, they don't even know.
I wanted to add my 2 cents here, but I will not partake in any further discussion because it doesn't solve anything. The troofers have their minds made up and they will not change. Of course, if they do find ANY EVIDENCE, I might be coaxed into changing my mind, but 8 years later with only thoughts and theories on their side, I don't think that will change.
I make it a point to never read anything by or about Cheney, but perhaps this is what was being referrenced:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
And what people tend to forget was that the box cutters/knifes that the terrorists used were okay to have on one's person - until September 12th, that is - and recorded phone calls from the various fights show that the terrorists bluffed the staff/passengers with bomb threats, which is why it was so easy to take the planes in the first place.
These terrorists may have been extremist chunks of monkey shit, but they did their homework ahead of time, and they planned this for a very long time. So the very notion that this was a government conspiracy to destroy those buildings & kill thousands of innocent people makes me sick to my stomach. There was no "controlled explosion". There was no plot, other than the one concocted by Osama and his idiot cronies. Give it up....
These terrorists may have been extremist chunks of monkey shit, but they did their homework ahead of time, and they planned this for a very long time. So the very notion that this was a government conspiracy to destroy those buildings & kill thousands of innocent people makes me sick to my stomach. There was no "controlled explosion". There was no plot, other than the one concocted by Osama and his idiot cronies. Give it up....
You are as usual misrepresenting the facts. The reason there was three editions of Loose Change is because when new facts come out there is something new to be added to the story. Unlike the official version of the twin towers coming down which has been changed by NIST 4 times. The reason I hang on to this is because I hope in my heart that at some point there will be a proper investigation to find out the truth. The reason for starting this thread is because people like Dick Cheney know the truth, they are hiding the truth, and every once in a while they slip up and don't stick to the script... like Bush when he was in the classroom reading to those students and said that he seen the first tower being hit just before he went into the classroom, except there was no footage of the first plane hitting the tower...OOPS. That's why we need an investigation to put these criminals under oath, or this will happen again, and again, and again.
You do realize that you're creating distortions out of nothing to justify your position ?
Distortions out of nothing? So you feel that people do not have to answer, or be accountable for what they do, or say?
Dick Cheney making reference to ' explosions ' on 9/11 or Bush saying he saw the 1st tower hit before walking into the classroom reveals nothing. What you're suggesting is conjecture.
A jet flew into a building and there was an explosion. There were reports immediately after the first tower was hit that a plane had crashed into it. There was a large hole in the tower with copius amounts of smoke. The news stations had cameras on the buildings within minutes of the 1st strike. I probably would tell someone after seeing the breaking news that the World Trade Centre had been struck by a jet or plane too. Does this implicate me in a conspiracy ?
Get a grip.
A jet flew into a building and there was an explosion. There were reports immediately after the first tower was hit that a plane had crashed into it. There was a large hole in the tower with copius amounts of smoke. The news stations had cameras on the buildings within minutes of the 1st strike. I probably would tell someone after seeing the breaking news that the World Trade Centre had been struck by a jet or plane too. Does this implicate me in a conspiracy ?
Get a grip.
The main reason this particular conspiracy theory has such legs is because the neo-cons were so quick to use the events as a justification for their pre-existing plans, and so eager to stretch the truth.
Where it falls apart -- and where the "explanations" on their websites are so weak -- is because such a complicated plan would be so brainless. As they were going over their plans, why wouldn't one of them say "Wait a minute -- why don't we just set off a dirty bomb in Manhattan and manufacture the evidence that is was planted by agents of Saddam?" It would have been so much easier, involve far fewer people, and fit their agenda more precisely. But no -- we have to co-ordinate hijackings, wire the buildings -- it is so much more foolproof... "Wait a minute, why are we blaming Saudis for piloting the planes? They are our pals; now we will have to notify them and get them out of the country right after the explosions...."
Despite the "technical problems" they keep pointing out with their "expert engineers" blather, it just makes no sense.
Where it falls apart -- and where the "explanations" on their websites are so weak -- is because such a complicated plan would be so brainless. As they were going over their plans, why wouldn't one of them say "Wait a minute -- why don't we just set off a dirty bomb in Manhattan and manufacture the evidence that is was planted by agents of Saddam?" It would have been so much easier, involve far fewer people, and fit their agenda more precisely. But no -- we have to co-ordinate hijackings, wire the buildings -- it is so much more foolproof... "Wait a minute, why are we blaming Saudis for piloting the planes? They are our pals; now we will have to notify them and get them out of the country right after the explosions...."
Despite the "technical problems" they keep pointing out with their "expert engineers" blather, it just makes no sense.
