Defund the CBC?

[DangerousDan]

Even the pro-CBC people posting here recognize that Conservatives don't like the CBC, or in other words you recognize there is a bias against Conservatives. You support the CBC because it aligns with your political beliefs and you want other people to be brainwashed to that end. Perhaps you should ask yourself to what extent you're the one who has been brainwashed.

It's simply morally wrong in a free society for a government to fund political propaganda. It needs to end and I will celebrate the day it does.

 

[DangerousDan]

The argument that taxes fund society and we don't all use things that taxes fund is flawed. That's not the argument for getting rid of the CBC. It needs to go because of it's divisive political and social agenda.

 

[DangerousDan]

The argument that we need the CBC to keep the country united is completely ridiculous and unfounded.

The CBC is pushing a divisive woke agenda, which has divided this country to a greater level than we have seen in our entire history. If you truly wanted to unite the country, you'd support getting rid of the CBC.

 

[wincity23]

I'd argue calling for the defunding of the cbc based on their political leanings a failure to Canadians. IDGAF which way they lean. They're mostly irrelevant and not supported by the majority of Canadians as is proven in ratings and advertising. If they swung right, or stayed dead center, would everyone decide they're worthy of billions a year? I sure hope not. Almost all news sources are slanted, but not all exist solely due to taxpayer money. That's the problem. Let's not forget they make a ton of terrible programming next to no-one watches as well.

 

[vanperb]

"Free health and medical"
Maybe you don't pay taxes but I do.
Nothing is free my friend.
Nothing.

"Free" is a misnomer and you know it. If you like "Public" or "Common" would be better suited but doesn't change the fact these are mostly tax funded and openly accessible to all. Just because you don't use them l doesn't mean they're not important infrastructure and don't add to society as a whole.

In a greater sense, Life shouldn't be a matter of individual checks and balances. Society as whole only works if there is a communal agreement that everyone contributes to a platform we can all build on.

If you're a strictly "I got mine, and I did it all myself" kind of person, you're willfully ignoring all the hands that helped lift you up to where you are.

 

[Big_Guy_Rye]

While your on your "bent" of defunding. Why not defund the The Canada Postal Service, BC Ferries, The public Libraries, the public road crews, the police and fire departments, The free health and medical, you get my drift??

Canada Post
Yes, between Fed Ex, UPS, Intercom, Amazon... there's no point in funding a mail system that is by and large being out classed by other delivery services.

BC Ferries
Disagree, they are just as valuable as BC Highways.

Public Libraries
Depending on the level of propaganda and censorship they allow

Public Road Crews
I realize you're being facetious. But considering the fact that highways are still being reparied from all the flash-flooding TWO YEARS AGO... Hard to take that seriously.

Defund the Police.
Yes and no.... The way the law is written, the cops hands are tied in actually enforcing the fundamental principle of what the law is supposed to do. We need Police, yes, but "we need the law to be exercised" is the correct way to put it. If the cops can't do their job, then what's the point in funding them?

Defund the Fire Dept
Yes, but use the money for more ambulances and social services. Since the majority of Fire Dept calls is for OD'ing junkies and not fighting fires.

Free Health Care
...lol.....LOL.... FUCKIN' LAUGHING MY ASS OFF.....

...I'll keep this one simple. The Health Care system is crumbling. Between the opioid crisis and mass migration, there is no amount of money that's going to keep such a system "free" for long. IMO, There are THREE ways to keep it "free":
1) Cut down on administration (too many chiefs, not enough indians; as one would say).
2) Create a two-tier system; those that pay go 'here', those that don't go 'there', and the money spent is used to serve both systems (similar to Denmark's system).
3) MAiD, to reduce demand.... As of the start of this year, MAiD services are now offered to "mentally ill" people, which includes far-gone DTES-type addicts.
...keep the government funding as is, but the system itself is being rewritten to lessen the burden.

 

[phukedup1]

It got brought up again. After reading all this stuff about woke this and woke that, I looked up the definition which is as follows: " having or marked by an active awareness of systemic injustices and prejudices, especially those involving the treatment of ethnic, racial, or sexual minorities ".
Sounds like just basic decency there and anyone who has a problem with that is an outright sociopath.

 

[Big_Guy_Rye]

Sounds like just basic decency there and anyone who has a problem with that is an outright sociopath.

Yeah, that's not what "woke" means... just your average neutral definition of 'social justice' which can apply to anything. Which is a definition cowards tend to hide behind to protect their agendas by playing it off as 'innocent and righteous'.

Here's a hint: trying using the words, Marxist, Accelerationism, Gaslighting, Cult, and Projecting in the definition...and you'll get it eventually.

 

[cautiouslyassesing]

Honestly, you are saying that Trudeau is controlling the narrative that the National Post and its sister publications are spouting!! Do you read anything at all? You are just chucking shit at the wall and hoping it will stick.

I dont think critical thinking is encouraged as much as it used to be. I'm against refunding but few will attempt to look at opposing sources to sus out bias or look for opposing views. Trudeau is a joke but the conservitives easily have the worst part leader having been an MP the majority of my adult life only written 6 bills and them not passing. We need more from our leaders and better from the press. Slashing CBC funding will hurt everyone regardless of their political leanings

 

[phukedup1]

What is really hilarious about the people accusing Trudeau of exploiting the CBC for his own agenda is that it implies that he's some sort of genius that has found a way to manipulate the Candian consciousness in a way that never occurred to any of our previous Prime Ministers, including Harper and Mulroney. Come on. Seriously? Look at the guy. I, for one, can't give him that much credit.

 

[vanperb]

Here's a hint: trying using the words, Marxist, Accelerationism, Gaslighting, Cult, and Projecting in the definition...and you'll get it eventually.

How about you use them in a definition for us?

 

[Big_Guy_Rye]

How about you use them in a definition for us?

Sure, just as long as I can count the faces of many pissed off people who never would expect there could be a definition.
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Wokeness is the subversion of fringe politics upon the mainstream vernacular for the purpose of creating and benefiting from a two-tier system where they can prevail without effort and warrant; all the while hiding behind perceived noble and righteous causes without understanding the various contexts behind them.
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A tactic that uses Marxist-style propaganda used to give rise to well known Communist regimes throughout history, even today. Promotes accelerationism to exasperate their cause using reverse psychology cliches such a gaslighting (re: "do this, or be called a racist", when it was hardly a race issue to begin with), which creates a kind of cult like dissonance between those who accept such fringe politics at its face value from their group of origin.

Here are some examples cited on this thread alone:
"This thread..."
... already some chump is chanting "MapleMAGA" to subvert more mainstream conservative talking points, which are nominal compared to how Trump would actually handle the situation if he were running Canada. The fact that such a person as that poster would take it to an extreme and put fear in the hearts of those who want to view things objectively is the very accelerationism such Wokeness produces for their own ends, even when the opposition is just asking for moderate politics.

"The South Park clip I showed"
... Disney's stock is tanking, because they forgot to how to tell stories. They don't know how anymore. Their business model it to literally "PUT A CHICK IN IT AND MAKE HER GAY AND LAME", and not for any artistic merit either, it's to shoe-horn fringe politics into mainstream media that 'should' be geared for a general audience whom by and large don't have a stake in female or gay issues....but we have to swallow it anyway or else be called a bigot.... So many people won't put their money towards Disney anymore. Disney+ subs are dropping, no one goes to the parks anymore, and Disney Corp is projected to lose it's blue-chip grading sometime this year... And Iger knows it (see pic)



....and all for what?... "Wokeness"... simple as....nobody wants to hear such constant bullshit anymore. They want to watch superhero movies and not wonder how a 100lbs girl can take down a 300lbs man.

"Turdope" (and this thread's purpose)
... obviously this whole thread is about how the CBC is our Crime Dictator's personal platform. Every time he does a faux-pas, they go out of their way to downplay it, while bolstering some asinine thing Poilievre has done. Like for example, the crash at the border that CTV initially called a terrorist attack based off sources from the PMO, and that Poilievre mere cited that media report. Yet, when they realize it was just a car accident, CTV retracted their initial report, but let the next story remain to show how silly Poilievre sounded that both CTV and CBC dug into him for 'inciting panic and hatred for stereotypically known terrorist organizations',....when it was CTV and CBC, and the PMO wrongdoing in the first place...."trololol, Poilievre is a MapleMAGA".... Back to Turdope, his whole political platform is based off social media trends that literal no one cares about, but we are made to. And if we don't we're put in a box and being vilified. ...that's wokeness, and bad politics.

 

[UserNameNotInUse]

Politics aside, I thought it was hilarious that CBC bean counters fearing a comic Rick Mercer spendy NYE Special chose re-heated Just for Laugh reruns as replacement. Regrettably I missed the viewing opportunity due to a previously arranged celebratory engagement.

 

[vanperb]

Sure, just as long as I can count the faces of many pissed off people who never would expect there could be a definition.
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Wokeness is the subversion of fringe politics upon the mainstream vernacular for the purpose of creating and benefiting from a two-tier system where they can prevail without effort and warrant; all the while hiding behind perceived noble and righteous causes without understanding the various contexts behind them.
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A tactic that uses Marxist-style propaganda used to give rise to well known Communist regimes throughout history, even today. Promotes accelerationism to exasperate their cause using reverse psychology cliches such a gaslighting (re: "do this, or be called a racist", when it was hardly a race issue to begin with), which creates a kind of cult like dissonance between those who accept such fringe politics at its face value from their group of origin.

This is great, and shows we're actually looking at the same issue but clearly with different perspectives.
First off, I'm a visible minority so though I don't fit in the "fringe politics" group, I do have a certain perspective.

What you see as "fringe politics", I see as "the other side of the population". In the South Park video they say "PUT A CHICK IN IT AND MAKE HER GAY AND LAME". That makes the fringe group women, and homosexuals. They're not exactly fringe, but the fact that they're given some visibility automatically incites a visceral response is worrying. The Lame part, that's mostly the stories they're put into.

Both you and I believe that there is a two-tier system. You believe that in the past the playing field was fair and even, and then all of the sudden fringe groups were catapulted to the top with out any effort or warrant. I believe that the playing field was inherently deeply tiered, and only recently do we get the rare case of individuals who are given the opportunity to present a voice that isn't the white male. If you're one one side of the fence you'll see this as an invasion on a well established field, if you're on the other side of the fence you'll see this as slow advance into property that was previously restricted to very select group. We both respond appropriately given which side of the fence we're on.

As to weather the cause is noble or righteous, that's up to the individual story teller. But I can tell you we all see ourselves as the hero in our story.

You and I both agree Disney story telling is shitty. You see it as happening recently, while I've always thought they were shitty because they have to appeal to wide audience.They've been shitty story tellers for a long while rehashing the same stories, and they're paying for it. Them trying something new, is an attempt to find an angle that will save them the trouble of actually writing good stories.

• Live Action Little Mermaid - I didn't care about the casting, I cared that they wasted Halle Bailey talent on a tired remake.
• The Marvels - Bree Larson has terrible chemistry with everyone recently, and the story was genuinely terrible.
• Ms. Marvel - Amazing series. Iman enthusiasm is infectious. The art direction is creative and well executed. And I learned about The Partition.

If a story is shitty, then absolutely call it out. If a story is shitty and it happens to have black female lead, call out the shitty story not the lead.

And if "Wokeism" ruined Disney?

To find the root of their failures, you also have to also look at their other failed ventures like Disney+, the massive amount of acquisitions in the last 10 years but without any plan on what to do with it. They've repeated what Yahoo! and AOL did with tech a decade ago but with film and TV properties.

....and all for what?... "Wokeness"... simple as....nobody wants to hear such constant bullshit anymore. They want to watch superhero movies and not wonder how a 100lbs girl can take down a 300lbs man.

I'm not sure where "constant" comes from. I feel like the constant voices you're hearing are more from the critics than from the performers.
I kind want to watch a 100lb girl take down a 300lb man. I mean isn't that the point of super heroes? It was to me. To overcome ridiculous odds?

• A blind man with a stick beating up the entire New York Russian mob.
• A 5'7" Chinese man in a death tournament beating a 7'2" feet giant
• A bullied high school geek saving a Brooklyn train from fall off broken tracks.
• A Pakistani girl taking down an ancient cult of other realm beings.

I really don't want to return to the days of John Wayne, and Roy Rogers.

 

[vanperb]

Canada Post
Yes, between Fed Ex, UPS, Intercom, Amazon... there's no point in funding a mail system that is by and large being out classed by other delivery services.

Canada Post like USPS have a mandate to delivery to all parts of their respective country, regardless of if it's profitable or not. FedEX, UPS, etc, do not. Which means that if a certain route, especially rural ones, costs more to maintain than to run, it gets axed. This is the reason a postal service that isn't profit driven needs to exist.

Defund the Police.
Yes and no.... The way the law is written, the cops hands are tied in actually enforcing the fundamental principle of what the law is supposed to do. We need Police, yes, but "we need the law to be exercised" is the correct way to put it. If the cops can't do their job, then what's the point in funding them?

This needs to be balanced with abuses of power. For instance, the Winnipeg police force is notoriously racist, and man do they abuse their power.

Defund the Fire Dept
Yes, but use the money for more ambulances and social services. Since the majority of Fire Dept calls is for OD'ing junkies and not fighting fires.

I agree with create a task force that specializes win mental health and social assistance. Where that budget comes from... no idea. We still need a fire departments for... fires.

 

[carvesg]

What is really hilarious about the people accusing Trudeau of exploiting the CBC for his own agenda is that it implies that he's some sort of genius that has found a way to manipulate the Candian consciousness in a way that never occurred to any of our previous Prime Ministers, including Harper and Mulroney. Come on. Seriously? Look at the guy. I, for one, can't give him that much credit.

You just hit the nail right on the head.
Trudeau and his handlers have been messing/mishandling things for 8 years but they would also be the overlords geniuses of the mass media.

The more someone analyse the statements about Trudeau and the medias and the more everything sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

Trying to convince us that the village idiot is a master manipulator behind the scene....good luck with that .

 

[masterpoonhunter]

The BigGuyRye wrote:

" Wokeness is the subversion of fringe politics upon the mainstream vernacular for the purpose of creating and benefiting from a two-tier system where they can prevail without effort and warrant; all the while hiding behind perceived noble and righteous causes without understanding the various contexts behind them. "

Fuck man you nailed it. And that segues into a rant that has been building up over here for a fuck of a long time.

Woke and the whole fucking Cancel Culture thing - it's into all parts of our lives from us having to reconcile what people did a hundred years ago to taking one of the symbols of our innocence - a rainbow - and making it the flag for the gay amongst us.

Rip down all the old statues I mean cancel all our historical things because this 'offends' the tiny minority. Fuck off.

Spoke with a senior HR executive recently and the conversation got into the he/him, she/her, hoo/haw add on's popping up in business cards and sig files. Its becoming a thing where those who do not partake are feeling the peer pressure from those who have already bought into it. And don't even try to get me started on the they/them or the cat/dog of whatever the fuck people (PEOPLE for fuck's sake) feel they should IDENTIFY with.

Look at Hollyweird and the movies coming out all so fucking PC that off button gets a major workout in my daily media viewing.

My dad is rolling in his grave I tell ya!!

 

[overdone]

defunding the CBC doesn't mean shutting it down

that's the Left wing zealots take on it, taking away the 1.5 Billion welfare grant is the issue, Value for money, which guys here should understand, but many don't seem to

the best rated show on CBC

IS A FUCKING SHOW ABOUT BAKING, FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM, LOL

the majority of the rest of the shows, like the "huge" hit, heartland, aren't, just like the local news

Edm local CBC news, used to be number 1, back in the 70's maybe 80's, they used to send 6 guys out to cover a story, while others would send 2

that's still the problem with the CBC, but mostly in the ADMINISTRATION, EXECUTIVE POSITIONS, BENEFITS, WAGES

there have been many normal, average people who've called for the CBC to be reformed, it doesn't mean they have to shut down

the radio stations actually are fairly popular, the TV, no, the national news, no

and for those who think it's not a left wing zealot cesspool, clearly has never watched it, Rosemary Barton is so pathetically biased even a blind/deaf man could figure that out

all the CBC needs is an enema

from the top down

much like most of our institutions that have been overtaken by the left wing zealots who are all about DEI and whitey is the oppressor and everyone else is the victim

instead of people standing on their own, like adults and relying on their own, then helping those, the very few who can't

the 1-3% who need a HAND UP, NOT HANDOUTS TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION IN SOCIETY, WHICH IS WHAT BEING WOKE SHOULD BE ALL ABOUT

THE CBC DOESN'T NEED HANDOUTS OR A HAND UP, IT NEEDS TO BE RESTRUCTURED TO FUNCTION LIKE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO, WHICH IT LOST IT'S WAY 3 DECADES AGO OR MORE

VALUE FOR MONEY, IT'S NOT, ANYONE WHO THINKS IT IS, IS DELUSIONAL