Defeat at a swingers party

tantalizeme

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Just thought I share an experience… No advice required, but any thoughts are welcome.

So I like to take my GF to the occasional swingers party—both because I enjoy group sex and also because it's a cheaper way to experience variety than with SPs. I fondly remember the party about a year ago when I got to dip my cock into 5 delightful pussies; not a bad return on a $ investment.

The "gangbang party" on Saturday was different.

True, the social dynamics were difficult. In theory, this kind of party provides a safe outlet for single women of all ages and races (and looks) who, for whatever reason, aren’t getting enough sex in their lives. Surely there're plenty of them. Moreover, these parties are free for ladies—but very few ever summon up enough motivation or courage to attend.

To make things worse, the organizer apparently tried to maximize profits, by admitting far too many single men. None of the more attractive ladies seemed eager to play in the open room. And the sexiest lady there was clearly a decoy, planted to excite the guys, without actually playing.

But the main problem was my partner’s attitude. I crave variety far more than she does. But, at the start of our relationship, she tried hard to please me and gave me every impression of enjoying these parties too.

But now that she feels comfortably settled in with me, she seems to make noticeably less effort. She insisted on drinking quite a bit of wine, then felt tired, cranky, non-communicative.

I spent most of the evening babysitting her and catering to her moodiness. When it came to other couples, she was super-picky and negative about the men: too fat, too old, not tall enough, too much facial hair etc.

She said bluntly, “Go ahead—you can fuck anyone you want.” But I didn’t feel like lining up with all the others for the odd BBW in the orgy room. Ideally, I'd have wanted to take another couple or single lady into a private room. But that would have required my partner's cooperation.

At one point she accused me of “using” her because I asked her to do her share of reaching out to ladies or couples. To her credit, though, she showed the same frosty indifference to the many single guys who approached us.

We hadn't come to this event to have sex with each other. Only when it became clear that we had missed whatever meager opportunities there might have been to connect with anyone else did we go together to a private room to play with each other. But, instead of getting it on, we started bickering.

So we left before midnight, without any real sex—something I don’t think I’ve ever done in a dozen years of swinging. Clearly, this GF isn't a suitable "lifestyle" partner.

I can't really blame her. I blame evolution. For me, this experience highlights a basic truth: male and female sexualities are whoppingly incompatible.

Without my hobby of seeing SPs I think I'd find the constraints of having a relationship with almost any "normal" woman depressing as hell.
 
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FloridaGuy

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What to say? You already recognized that she has moved to a different phase in her life and the compatibility likely isn't there any more. Maybe she wants a life with you and is tired of sharing, wouldn't that be a nice compliment for you - I love you too much to fuck other guys anymore! But if its not what you want.....well you don't need my advice.

I assume you will have a heart to heart with her to confirm she wasnt' simply in a bad mood that night or cranky about a fight she had with her sister? And that you'll try another swinger party before dumping her - to confirm whether its a full mindset shift or just a one-off thing? It would suck to jump to conclusions and end a relationship over a one-time event.
 

storm rider

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What to say? You already recognized that she has moved to a different phase in her life and the compatibility likely isn't there any more. Maybe she wants a life with you and is tired of sharing, wouldn't that be a nice compliment for you - I love you too much to fuck other guys anymore! But if its not what you want.....well you don't need my advice.

I assume you will have a heart to heart with her to confirm she wasnt' simply in a bad mood that night or cranky about a fight she had with her sister? And that you'll try another swinger party before dumping her - to confirm whether its a full mindset shift or just a one-off thing? It would suck to jump to conclusions and end a relationship over a one-time event.

Good advice/counsel I will say.

SR
 

Tugela

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I would hazard a guess and suggest that she was never really into it. Reading your description of your activities it is all about you, and she only enters into it when she is no longer "playing the game". You noticed it this time because the numbers dynamics were not in your favour and you needed her to pony up as well but I think that in all probability she wasn't all that enthusiastic in the earlier encounters either - you just didnt see it.
 

CJ Tylers

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I agree with Tugela... woman have a habit of becoming annoyed when their partners don't consider their feelings when making plans... and your plans sound an aweful lot like they are all about "you", and very little to do with "her" or "you & her".

Not saying this is the case, but it does come across that way. If it's just about dipping your wick in someone elses candle wax, then don't bring your SO along... especially if you only want her there in case you need her to get what you want. At least she's either ok or resigned to the fact that you're not going to stick with just her... that's gotta be a load off your mind.
 

Pillowtalk

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I would hazard a guess and suggest that she was never really into it. Reading your description of your activities it is all about you, and she only enters into it when she is no longer "playing the game". You noticed it this time because the numbers dynamics were not in your favour and you needed her to pony up as well but I think that in all probability she wasn't all that enthusiastic in the earlier encounters either - you just didnt see it.
I'd have to agree. I think tantalizer sees this as a relationship, but it really isn't. I dont think I have ever seen such a selfabsorbed selfish and inconsiderate (not to mention petty and immature) person before. Of course I see it in the reviews, but these accounts which clearly show a contempt and dislike for someone he considers in a "relationship' with him, when what he really is looking for is a pet vagina for his amusement regardless of her having actual human emotions seems beyond him.

I based that also on the idea he has that the only reason a woman would not want to join in a swinger club activity is either because she is incapable of motivating herself enough or is a coward. Doesn't seem to occur to him that most women can get sex wherever and whenever they want it, if they wanted it whenever. It is possible that the swinger party is uninspiring, presented from a POV only attractive to men, and nothing of interest for the woman?
 

deathreborn

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Just thought I share an experience… No advice required, but any thoughts are welcome.

So I like to take my GF to the occasional swingers party—both because I enjoy group sex and also because it's a cheaper way to experience variety than with SPs. I fondly remember the party about a year ago when I got to dip my cock into 5 delightful pussies; not a bad return on a $ investment.

The "gangbang party" on Saturday was different.

True, the social dynamics were difficult. In theory, this kind of party provides a safe outlet for single women of all ages and races (and looks) who, for whatever reason, aren’t getting enough sex in their lives. Surely there're plenty of them. Moreover, these parties are free for ladies—but very few ever summon up enough motivation or courage to attend.

To make things worse, the organizer apparently tried to maximize profits, by admitting far too many single men. None of the more attractive ladies seemed eager to play in the open room. And the sexiest lady there was clearly a decoy, planted to excite the guys, without actually playing.

But the main problem was my partner’s attitude. I crave variety far more than she does. But, at the start of our relationship, she tried hard to please me and gave me every impression of enjoying these parties too.

But now that she feels comfortably settled in with me, she seems to make noticeably less effort. She insisted on drinking quite a bit of wine, then felt tired, cranky, non-communicative.

I spent most of the evening babysitting her and catering to her moodiness. When it came to other couples, she was super-picky and negative about the men: too fat, too old, not tall enough, too much facial hair etc.

She said bluntly, “Go ahead—you can fuck anyone you want.” But I didn’t feel like lining up with all the others for the odd BBW in the orgy room. Ideally, I'd have wanted to take another couple or single lady into a private room. But that would have required my partner's cooperation.

At one point she accused me of “using” her because I asked her to do her share of reaching out to ladies or couples. To her credit, though, she showed the same frosty indifference to the many single guys who approached us.

We hadn't come to this event to have sex with each other. Only when it became clear that we had missed whatever meager opportunities there might have been to connect with anyone else did we go together to a private room to play with each other. But, instead of getting it on, we started bickering.

So we left before midnight, without any real sex—something I don’t think I’ve ever done in a dozen years of swinging. Clearly, this GF isn't a suitable "lifestyle" partner.

I can't really blame her. I blame evolution. For me, this experience highlights a basic truth: male and female sexualities are whoppingly incompatible.

Without my hobby of seeing SPs I think I'd find the constraints of having a relationship with almost any "normal" woman depressing as hell.
sounds like a kats fantasies party. went to a couple myself. as you mentioned it's mainly a sausage factory with a few larger women meandering about. they say they are single man friendly but they are not as they just get ignored.
 

tantalizeme

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Thanks, everyone, for their perceptive comments

Well said, FloridaGuy. My GF & I have since had a good talk. Drinking too much wine—combined with lack of attraction to the male half of couples in attendance—put her in an unsociable mood. She agreed: no drinking at future parties. Our relationship is not in danger over this.

Tugela: Of course, for sex-loving men to find a female companion who's equally "enthusiastic" about responsible non-monogamy is a tall order. But it's possible to find a woman who likes swinging well enough. My GF says she doesn’t really need other men—because I take such good care of her—but she understands my sexuality. I always want my love relationships to be emotionally monogamous but sexually open. My GF is totally fine with this, especially since I try to be considerate of her emotions. (I don't always succeed.)

CJ Tylers: Good of you to remind me not to put selfish pressure on my partner. In fact, that glorious time when I did dip my "wick" into the "candlewax" of 5 ladies (to use your graphic phrase), I went by myself—but very different dynamics prevailed. However, this personal record of mine pales by comparison with that of some ladies I've seen who can play for hours and enjoy a dozen guys or more.

Exotic Non-Pro: Always nice to hear from you—speaking, as you do, non-judgmentally, from an experienced sex-positive woman’s perspective. I have been at a workshop with Jason & Linda from Club Eden as well. Certainly, it's not a "lackluster" love life that motivates me to go to swinger parties, just a healthy interest in variety. But you're right, I need to keep telling myself: no expectations!

As you correctly stress, the supply/demand ratio almost always makes swinger parties a place where women can experience a sense of power and desirability, like almost nowhere else. So it’s not necessarily an act of male selfishness to take their partner to such parties, but rather a great opportunity for women to come into their own sexually. (That’s happened to two of my partners so far.)

Pillowtalk: Very flattering that you are a fan of my reviews and read them with care. An intelligent woman's critical perspective helps with my own soul-searching. From what I gather, though, you probably wouldn’t want a guy like me as your boyfriend?

Doesn't seem to occur to him that most women can get sex wherever and whenever they want it, if they wanted it whenever. It is possible that the swinger party is uninspiring, presented from a POV only attractive to men, and nothing of interest for the woman?
I'm sure this is absolutely true for super-attractive ladies like yourself. But I’ve talked to BBWs who were disarmingly honest about not finding it easy to get sex at all outside the swinger scene, especially with attractive guys. I also think a properly-run swingers club can be quite inspiring to all sorts of women—especially those in relationships who want (for themselves & their partners) uncomplicated sexual variety rather than messy affairs.

I’ve seen wonderful energy at various swinger events over the years, along with some real sleepers. I won't let the little disappointment last weekend spoil my enthusiasm for this life-style—a world-wide movement that flourishes in many places and is surely destined to grow even more popular in future years.
 

vancity_cowboy

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I've always wanted to go to a swingers party they sound like so much fun and so mysterious and naughty! What a turn on ... and to exotic non pro I don't like using the generic condoms either I always use the latex free was as my lady parts are very sensitive lol

Kisses Melina*
sounds like a golden opportunity for some stud on this board...

just sayin' :)
 
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As you correctly stress, the supply/demand ratio almost always makes swinger parties a place where women can experience a sense of power and desirability, like almost nowhere else.

But I’ve talked to BBWs who were disarmingly honest about not finding it easy to get sex at all outside the swinger scene, especially with attractive guys.
Perfect, I cant get laid in the real world because of womens sense of power and desirability, but now I can go to swinger parties and get shot down by ugly BBW with a new sense of power and desirability too. Sounds like a hoot. :rolleyes:
 
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