Death Penalty

[Jethro Bodine]

I know we all have our opinions on a subject like the death penalty but in cases like this I have no problem with it and I would voluteer to throw the switch. It sickens me as a father to think what this family, especially those 2 little girls went through in their last hours alive.

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/police-release-home-invasion-suspects-confession

 

[Aleister Crowley]

I think we should not only bring back the noose and death penalty but also bring back public executions.
Think of the upside.... in the old days , whole towns would turn out for the hangings....
imagine , B.C.place full of drunken spectators giving the thumbs down at the likes of paul bernardo , clifford olsen as they are being chased around by monster trucks.
the monster trucks could be equipped with all sorts of cool gear to rip the fuckers apart and make them suffer and die slowly and with lots of pain....
plus , we could charge a hefty ticket price and the entertainment would excell hands above ant=ything the canucks could ever provide.
i would consider season tickets..... i got no problem making them die slowly.... get my moneys worth !!!!!

 

[Cock Throppled]

The death penalty is a non-starter in Canada.

 

[ReluctantPooner]

It's one thing to advocate for keeping people in jail as I do in my Tory Crime Bill Thread. It's quite another to advocate for a Death Penalty.

The problem with the Death Penalty is that if you have made an error, if the person was in fact innocent of that crime, you can't bring them back and restore their life. There is a whole list of people that were later found innocent of that crime because of new technology, the person that actually did the crime gets caught doing a similar crime, the "police informer" is found to have lied, etc.

The difference now is that we have DNA evidence - the same evidence that has acquitted many of the wrongfully imprisoned. If there is strong DNA evidence against someone in certain crimes, such as child rape/murder, what I would call a "predatory" murder (basically an innocent victim is murdered), anything of that sort - I say hang 'em high! Would not want to risk the possibility of their escape, and why should we pay to house and feed these types of animals? And I know the argument about how death row is more expensive than life imprisonment. Well, we should do a better job of the appeals process than the US does.

 

[luvsdaty]

If you want a slow painful death, i don't think it gets much slower or more painful then spending 23 hrs a day in solitary in a room not much bigger than my closet.Having spent the night in the local drunk tank during my youth, i can say it wasn't much fun. I have a problem with being able to request parole after 25 yrs? Especially if you've committed murder or sex crimes.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Sorry guys, I didn't mean for this thread to turn in to another debate about the pro's and con's of the death penalty. It's not a cut and dried issue.
My point was that in cases like this where they caught the perps red handed (I saw a news show about this a couple of months ago) and these wastes of skin have done something like this, especially to children, they should be removed from the planet. If I had my way it would be in a very slow painful manner reflective of the pain and sufferring their victims experienced.
But that's just me.

Cheers

 

[badbadboy]

Sorry guys, I didn't mean for this thread to turn in to another debate about the pro's and con's of the death penalty. It's not a cut and dried issue.
My point was that in cases like this where they caught the perps red handed (I saw a news show about this a couple of months ago) and these wastes of skin have done something like this, especially to children, they should be removed from the planet. If I had my way it would be in a very slow painful manner reflective of the pain and sufferring their victims experienced.
But that's just me.

Cheers

Yes I got that and feel terrible about what has happened to that couple.

It still doesn't change my mind on the Death Penalty because you can not selectively choose who will be put to death or not.

I think our system has problems, it makes mistakes and an even bigger mistake is putting someone to death who is later found to be innocent.

 

[uncleg]

The penalty for any particular crime does not deter anybody from committing a crime, because I haven't met a crook yet that ever thought he/she would get caught. You want to deter people from committing crimes, improve the solution rate. The higher the chances of getting caught and convicted, the fewer the number of people willing to take the risk. At that point the penalties will actually mean something.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The penalty for any particular crime does not deter anybody from committing a crime,

Maybe I'm just a simple country boy and maybe it won't prevent someone else from committing a similiar crime but it sure as hell will prevent these assholes from ever doing it again.

 

[Jistaguy19]

In my humble opinion I suggest that when it comes to this topic there will never be agreement amongst all and each side will pile stats and emotional pleas on till the cows come home. I have looked at the stats and some seem accurate, and some seem questionable.

However I have found one stat on this subject that is simply indisputable and I believe makes the case

There has NEVER been a repeat offender amongst those put to death. For whatever reason they simply do not commit any further crimes or re-offend once the sentence is carried out. So while the death penalty may or may not act as a deterrent to the general public it has been proven to be a 100% effective deterrent to those that have been subject to it.

So based on this unshakable fact it is hard to understand an opposing view from someone whose argument relies on every second or third word or phrase being "maybe" , "what if", "could happen", "its possible", or the best of them all "you never know.

However if anyone can prove the stat I quoted earlier is wrong and that an individual in fact re-offended after having a death sentence carried out I am certainly willing to re-evaluate my stand on this subject.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

I could have sworn we had just had this exact discussion a few
days Ago.. Hmm.

 

[HeatherMorgan]

I think people should rot in jail.

I'm not for the death penalty because no one knows for sure what happens after death.
For all we know, criminals could end up on a fluffy cloud while angels fed them grapes.
Stick with what we know happens for sure... lock them up till they die.

 

[Unpossible]

I think people should rot in jail.

I'm not for the death penalty because no one knows for sure what happens after death.
For all we know, criminals could end up on a fluffy cloud while angels fed them grapes.
Stick with what we know happens for sure... lock them up till they die.

Wait..what?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I could have sworn we had just had this exact discussion a few
days Ago.. Hmm.

You're right and I didn't mean for this to turn into another discussion like the previous one. Just to highlight this one case and why I think in some cases, where the crime is so heinous and they know 100% that they have the right perp(s), the death penalty, IMHO is warrented.
Just like I prefer to think that despite what we were taught in Sunday School, God does not forgive all sins, and these asswipes will end up burning in Hell for eternity. Not on fluffy white clouds being fed grapes by angels.
But then again that's just my opinion.

 

[Jistaguy19]

I think people should rot in jail.

I'm not for the death penalty because no one knows for sure what happens after death.
For all we know, criminals could end up on a fluffy cloud while angels fed them grapes.

Or worse yet in a world class massage studio serviced by a trio beautiful SP's.........

 

[treveller]

Deterence is a combination of the nature of the penalty and the probability of being caught and I have heard that it is not effective in preventing the nastier crimes.

Revenge and punishment are a waste of time, money and many other of societies resources.

I have heard that the legal process needed to make execution palatible costs more than putting a person in prision for life.

How about this for those who say they would be willing to pull/push the switch. If it is later proven that a mistake was made, would you accept your own execution?

Also, is it a wise idea to allow the Harper Government to make laws that explicitly decide who should be executed? It's bad enough they way our politicians indirectly kill people and otherwise destroy lives. I certainly wouldn't want to give them any more permission for that sort of thing than they already have.

 

[uncleg]

Maybe I'm just a simple country boy and maybe it won't prevent someone else from committing a similiar crime but it sure as hell will prevent these assholes from ever doing it again.

And what good does that do for the original victim ???

 

[uncleg]

In my humble opinion I suggest that when it comes to this topic there will never be agreement amongst all and each side will pile stats and emotional pleas on till the cows come home. I have looked at the stats and some seem accurate, and some seem questionable.

However I have found one stat on this subject that is simply indisputable and I believe makes the case

There has NEVER been a repeat offender amongst those put to death. For whatever reason they simply do not commit any further crimes or re-offend once the sentence is carried out. So while the death penalty may or may not act as a deterrent to the general public it has been proven to be a 100% effective deterrent to those that have been subject to it.

So based on this unshakable fact it is hard to understand an opposing view from someone whose argument relies on every second or third word or phrase being "maybe" , "what if", "could happen", "its possible", or the best of them all "you never know.

However if anyone can prove the stat I quoted earlier is wrong and that an individual in fact re-offended after having a death sentence carried out I am certainly willing to re-evaluate my stand on this subject.

So, how does this level of "reasoning" fit in with the Amanda Knox case ?

 

[whoisjohngalt]

I have at times been for and at other times against the death penalty for capital crimes. But one thing I have always found interesting is that there seems to be a strong correlation between those who are against the death penalty as a matter of principle, but who are in favour fully legal abortion on demand. So in essence, these people believe that it is wrong to take the life of a convicted killer in the name of sanctity of life, but it is OK to kill an innocent unborn child as a matter of convenience. Don't get me wrong - I am not advocating criminalization of abortion but I just can't get past this apparent contradiction.

 

[HankQuinlan]

I have at times been for and at other times against the death penalty for capital crimes. But one thing I have always found interesting is that there seems to be a strong correlation between those who are against the death penalty as a matter of principle, but who are in favour fully legal abortion on demand. So in essence, these people believe that it is wrong to take the life of a convicted killer in the name of sanctity of life, but it is OK to kill an innocent unborn child as a matter of convenience. Don't get me wrong - I am not advocating criminalization of abortion but I just can't get past this apparent contradiction.

The main reason is that criminalizing abortion affects another person -- the woman. Many of us believe that the rights of an actual person trump those of a potential human. That is the crux of the matter. There are, of course, other harm reduction arguments as well.

The main opponents of abortion are religiously motivated, and don't give a shit about the welfare of a child once it is born.