Dalian, China

[hotjac]

Why can't people make reasoned analysis without resorting to personal insults?

I don't know exactly who, or what you are talking about with personal insults.

My comments are based on being there, in a specific parts of Central and N.E. China, the same parts that the original poster asked for information about.

These areas have nothing in common with south east Asia which are infamous for their sex tourism and perverse exploitation of women.

However, one member who obviously got her information from the Province newspaper, or Fox decided she knew all there was to know about China's commercial sex and gave her, literally, 2 cents worth.

Another said he was from Asia, but neglected to say from which part, and tried to make some very vague point about exploitation followed by a personal embellishment of rubbing hands with glee ... go figure where that one came from!?

Overall this thread has been hijacked ... a member asked a simple question and he was given some simple first-hand information, which should be the end of it.

 

[GoodKat]

Next time you save up for a car or home theater system or whatever, how about you take it up the ass or let a dozen Johnny foreigners come in your mouth every day to help pay for it and THEN tell everyone you don't feel exploited!

That's what every sp does though. You don't think the hot chicks at the London agencies do it for the same reason?

happily paying $.4 to triad gang captives in micro-town

You do realize the reason that women from Asia do it is because it is a much more lucrative job then cleaning hotel rooms or waitressing right? They're not captives.

 

[richrad]

Why make it sound like its a bad thing they are doing this? I mean, honestly, we are all prostituting ourselves everyday to someone, some job, some relationship, some place etc. We do what we can and it's unfortunate that life has to be so unfair that some people are happy and others are not. But life is a business, you pay for what you are looking for at the price you are willing to pay, may it be something from the store or something that's "unethical" "immoral" "blahblahblah".

We do what we have to do.

 

[big daddy]

here's the way I see it... since HSL only sees sps who charges $400cdn+, he should support VV for a couple of sessions so VV can get a ticket to China and enlighten herself. (this is not an insult, it's a moral gain for HSL and a clear insight for VV, kill 2 birds with 1 stone kind of idea).


note: this thread was never about children exploitation... it's a simple question with a simple answer.

here's a fact for those cave men who just finished hibernating...

average worker in China gets paid $800rmb/month = $115cdn/month
professional worker in China gets paid $2000rmb/month = $250cdn/month

with his income, they are able to support a family, enjoy the nightlife and entertainments, buy (not rent) a house or apartment and put their kids through school (schooling is not free like here in the Western countries)

average worker in Canada gets paid $1800cdn/month
professoinal worker in Canada gets paid $4000cdn/month

with this income, the average Canadian worker has a hard time supporting him/herself let alone a family, have a limited entertainment budget, lucky if can pay the rent on time each month (buying a house, good luck with that), before supporting the kid through college... how about being able to financially support one first...

economic calculation:

$40cdn = $300rmb = almost 1/2 month paid for an average chinese worker

$400cdn = less than 1 week of paid for an average Canadian worker

I say the sps are alot cheaper here in Canada than China, doing an economic comparison...

 

[HamSupLow]

here's the way I see it... since HSL only sees sps who charges $400cdn+

An assumption on your part.

I just choose not to see girls in micro brothels who are obviously here to be exploited by the Snake Heads that brought them here.

with his income, they are able to support a family, enjoy the nightlife and entertainments, buy (not rent) a house or apartment and put their kids through school

If you think the 'average' worker in China can easily afford to buy his own home, support a family, enjoy nightlife & entertainment & put their kids through school?!??!?!??!

Wow, you are truly ignorant of the realities there.

How many 'average' families do you know in China? I'm related to a dozens & dozens of 'average' families in China and can tell you that it's often a choice of paying for medicine OR schools nevermind, buying your own house or enjoying nightlife.


with this income, the average Canadian worker has a hard time supporting him/herself let alone a family, have a limited entertainment budget, lucky if can pay the rent on time each month (buying a house, good luck with that), before supporting the kid through college... how about being able to financially support one first...

I'm sorry some find it so hard to survive in Canada. If it's that hard, maybe they could stop pooning & start supporting your family.

If you think it's expensive in Vancouver then how about this?

My $700k 3 bed house here is 2200 sq ft & minutes from D/t

My 700 sq ft apartment in London cost me $600k & takes a 45 min tube journey to get to work.



$40cdn = $300rmb = almost 1/2 month paid for an average chinese worker

$400cdn = less than 1 week of paid for an average Canadian worker

I say the sps are alot cheaper here in Canada than China, doing an economic comparison...

Which is why I was bitching about 'sex tourists' coming over to China and exploiting the system. With no demand they'll be no trade.


You don't think the hot chicks at the London agencies do it for the same reason?

Of course. And you'd also have to watch who you see there. For every 'hot chick' at £150-200 you'll find a 'captive' sw for £50-100.

You do realize the reason that women from Asia do it is because it is a much more lucrative job then cleaning hotel rooms or waitressing right? They're not captives.

Some of those Asian sw are there by their own accord.

Some are there because they've been 'imported' here specifically for the trade.

Some are doing it to pay debt to a Snake Head for fee's incurred for their 'immigration services'.

Some are here because they've been 'passed' on by one local Chinese gang to a Canadian 'branch'

I'm not about to encourage the last three on the chance I might find the 1st one, just so I can get a cheap lay.

Did you know that some sw's under control of gangs are often not allowed to have any kind of social life or even allowed to leave the premises without supervision?

But then again, each to his own.

I'll hold my peace & leave you in yours.

If anyone wants to take this further then I suggest that it's moved to the Lounge.

.

 

[big daddy]

HSL... have you realized that everything you said contradict each other? you portray yourself to be a well off individual yet you are related to the most common individuals back in Asia. Are you exploiting your family members such as feeding out of their hard earned money back in Asia so you can poon here in Canada?

I rest my case with you... you clearly show signs of ignorance as suggested by others.

oh by the way, please save it... dont brag about your assets in here. I am sure alot of people in here are way far better off than you are. Even so, we still value the dollars...

 

[HamSupLow]

HSL... have you realized that everything you said contradict each other? you portray yourself to be a well off individual yet you are related to the most common individuals back in Asia. Are you exploiting your family members such as feeding out of their hard earned money back in Asia so you can poon here in Canada?

I rest my case with you... you clearly show signs of ignorance as suggested by others.

oh by the way, please save it... dont brag about your assets in here. I am sure alot of people in here are way far better off than you are. Even so, we still value the dollars...

You got more to say on this then take it to the lounge or pm me.

 

[hotjac]

Wow, talk about ships passing in the night! This whole subject seems to have opened up a lot of emotional festering that has introduced a whole lot of morality foreign to this site.

Even the worst post has brought up a sliver of truth, and even the best has had obvious oversights.

The subject is so broad it is impossible to keep it in context and all to easy for some to make sweeping generalities based on: personal experience, media, and some, it seems, on personal biases of what's right and wrong, which is a real dichotomy based on why we are all here.

However all of the comments show a concern for the safety and the well being of all involved in commercial pooning no matter what continent it's on.

Although some have missed the point of others I think I can safely say that none of us would knowingly support the criminal element involved in the sex trade, nor would we reduce our standards just because it was cheap sex coming from an obviously subjected woman, or Third World region.

This is a good thing!

 

[FJC]

Although some have missed the point of others I think I can safely say that none of us would knowingly support the criminal element involved in the sex trade, nor would we reduce our standards just because it was cheap sex coming from an obviously subjected woman, or Third World region.

It's nice to think so, hotjac, and I believe it's true in your case, but it's also a good thing for clients to think about no matter where they are, or whom they see.

 

[summerbreeze]

exploiting or bargain hunting

other than a monopoly, pricing is alwasy a case of supply and demand.

there are buyer's markets and seller's markets and when you go from one to the other you can't compare price to service or quality as in the original market, they are in different market dynamics

exploitation? I suppose women have been productized in asian countries for a long time but what about buying clothing from asia which would cost 3 times the cost if they were produced in a western nation, are there not exploited workers in that supply chain?

its exploitation but far less conspicuous, and they feel because they are buying our wheat, they have a right to export their cheap clothes

not sure how you introduce the moral topic of exploitation with plain old bargain hunting or whether sex exploitation is any worse than buying clothes made in a sweat shop in asia

pretty complicated subject to point the finger I would say, but not that I know anything, just thought I would throw some thoughts out there to think about