Curious About Asian Micros

[*Sven*]

I'm gonna chime in here, as I have been to a micro or two in my day.

"Micro" is simply short for Micro-brothel: a brothel that runs out of a residence (usually apartment/condo, sometimes a house). They are almost exclusively Asian run, and generally there is a mam-san or papa-san who takes the bookings & runs the place, and a variety of girls, 1-4 that work. some micros cater specifically to Asian clients ("Chinese Shop", you enter, and there are 1-4 girls to choose from , similar to brothels in the Orient. Mama/Papa-san is usually in the premises & greets you in person), some more to Western clients ("Western Shop" typically internet advertised, and you pre-book with the girl you want to see via phone). Like any agency or MP, there is a wide variety of quality of "shops", and a wide variety in quality of girls working in the shops. The girls are most commonly (of late anyhow) from Korea, Mainland China, Hong Kong, or Taiwan. Thai, Vietnamese, Filipino etc are very rare (in Calgary anyhow). Level of English spoken ranges from none to fully fluent. The girls typically make connections via "agents" with the various mam & papa-sans in cities across North America (and Europe). Girls in Canada will usually be based in Van or TO & then work for 1-4 weeks in other cities. They will stay in a shop for 1-4 weeks before moving on, sometimes they return a couple months later. High turn over & fresh supply of girls is one of the notable features of micro pooning. However, the superstars don't hang around long either, so it's a double edge sword. (You could just take the D_Duck approach & see all of them, repeating as many times as possible with the stars...) Lower end shops have haggard, rough looking, older girls, some well into their 40's, and not very attractive at all. Better shops have bubbly, young, impeccably groomed, fit hotties who are the sexiest thing you can imagine.

A micro session is usually 30 min ($160), 45 min ($180) or 60 min ($210). Calgary pricing. Sessions tend to follow a well established formula of:
1) Shower (accompanied in better shops)
2) massage (ranges from truely pathetic to sensual & mind blowing> bodslides, tongue bathing, DATO etc can all be had with the right gal right shop)
3) BJ & BLS (dabbing the head like a lollypop to full DT BBBJ with a finger in your ass & everything in between)
4) Safe FS (ranges from rigid, non interactive to full on Pornstar MPOS. Greek is very rare at a micro, but it's been had a few times) some ladies will offer CIM for additional tip
5) cleanup/shower (a wad of kleenex to fully interactive sensual soapy fullpress body slide in the shower with additional BJ etc)

As you can see, the menu and service level can vary widely, but for the most part, a micro session will follow an established path.

Depending on the shop, experiences range from absolutely horrible, with squalid conditions, and scared, unwilling girls, to absolutely mind blowing sexual experiences beyond belief in comfortable, high end accommodations.

Most micros catering to Western clients advertise on CL, and rarely use real pics, and bait & switch is very common. It is not unusual to book an appointment with "20 year old, gorgeous, Korean Soo", only to have "42 year old, toothless, Taiwanese Ling" answer the door. Higher end shops use accurate advertising.

Sugarland in Calgary is famous because the mam-san (Sugar) used to work in Van and Calgary micros, and offered fantastic, out of this world service levels. As mama-san, she educates all of her girls to follow her accepted menu & level of service (SOPAM, Standard Operating Procedure Asian Micro). Her girls are gorgeous, educated, young & bubbly, and are focused on making you keel like a king. They greet you by name & undress you at the start, and offer you a cold drink & tie your shoes at the end. And in between, they rock your world & re-set the bar for what acceptable sexual activities are. All for about 2/3 the money that local gals charge. Sugar has also successfully marketed herself via the baby cow review board in Calgary, and is an active participant in that community, and paid advertiser on the board. Her ads use accurate, recent pics, and bait & switch is not part of her MO. And her dedicated clients LOVE her and what she has done for this market in Calgary. Unreal. But she doesn't have a web site, and the only way into her world is via her CL ads (if you can recognize them) or CAF.

TorontoAsianGirlfriend lists an Edmonton location on their website. The girls listed and the services offered almost make me want to move out there... Check out the services offered by Coco on their site... yow! http://www.torontoasiangirlfriends.com/profile.php?pid=37

 

[Bobo The Rabbit]

Just read the type of comments guys post on CAF and the attitude towards women that prevails there, its not the kind of things you'd say on PERB since being a PERB member actually means something since most PERB members have been around for years and often book girls through PERB, allowing girls to see who they are before seeing them.

 

[funnyfunguy]

Just read the type of comments guys post on CAF and the attitude towards women that prevails there, its not the kind of things you'd say on PERB since being a PERB member actually means something since most PERB members have been around for years and often book girls through PERB, allowing girls to see who they are before seeing them.

LMAO!! You used to post on CAF, did you not? So what are you saying? That your posts on CAF show a crappy attitude toward women, but your posts on perb show you as a knight in shining armour? Are you talking about perb in general vs. caf in general, or perb edmonton vs. caf edmonton? I hope you're not too muddled by this question..Don't want you to destroy any more of your scarce brain cells.

 

[*Sven*]

Just read the type of comments guys post on CAF and the attitude towards women that prevails there, its not the kind of things you'd say on PERB since being a PERB member actually means something since most PERB members have been around for years and often book girls through PERB, allowing girls to see who they are before seeing them.

Not sure if you noticed, but there are tumbleweeds rolling around the PERB Calgary section. For whatever reason, Calgary Pooners are predominantly CAF members; Edmonton is split & the rest of Western Canada are Perbites.
A few of us Calgarians are trying to get things rolling in PERB, but I gotta say, we are all pooners looking for the best info. CAF is not significantly different than PERB. Just like Calgary isn't really all that different than Edmonton. But of course, there are always guys who will thump on the "I'm better than you" drum regardless.

CAF is a very useful board for Calgary pooning. Way better for Calgary scene than Perb currently is, no question. But come on Bobo, if I relied solely on Perb's Calgary section, I would never get laid... I think this is one case where your 8 years, 1000 posts & over 100 reviews don't make your biased opinion worth a squirt of piss...

 

[funnyfunguy]

I think Bobo would have a hard time starting over at CAF with a tag line of "1 month, 10 posts, 2 reviews..My opinion matters slightly below that of the average CL user. He still has to live down the stigma of VJ saying on here that he has a stinky cock.

 

[funnyfunguy]

The problem with my post was the facts I presented focused on worst elements. I only told half the facts. I chose to focus only on the bad things. I offered a one sided opinion. I did not make an effort to find any positives.


I have not been to a Micro in Edmonton for 5 years. Most of my recent intel comes from a friend and local micro junkie.


The only concern I have is that there are close to 20 micros in the city that are not SOPAM, they are run by questionable people, and they're absolute shit holes. They rip off pooners and exploit their ladies.
There is about 26 micros in the city. That means there are about 22 more you may want to pass over for one reason or another.
For all the complaining, we now have more info about the Micros then before. Is that not a good thing?

I would say that you have ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIBILITY in this area, for the following reasons: You're Extremely Biased against micros, your "info" is coming second hand from a "friend" (could be fictional or unreliable), and you have not been to an edmonton micro for 5 years. All you're contributing is MISINFORMATION in this regard, and that is Worse than no information at all.

 

[*Sven*]

Personally, I feel much better when a lady get 100% of the money. Is that unfair?

The micro ladies pay a portion (usually $40 of a 160 donation) to cover rent, booking, ad,etc.

Hardly as unfair as you make it seem f/f.

You are fear mongering. Maybe visit a couple micros and ask the girls. High end ones have happy, excited, educated ladies who are usually making money for school and/or families back home.

 

[namssa]

FFG......what can I say, your posts are mostly moronic from a guy who is sperminator like wanna be, and that is not a compliment.


Bobo The Rabbit, I used to thing you were a jerk long time ago. The few months ago you started posting some decent stuff and I was thinking, "hey bobo is changing his ways and I am kinda liking his style now". But with you recent post in this thread going off on CAF, you are back to behaving like a jerk and an idiot again. Both CAF and PERB have good qualities and bad qualities and neither is really better than the other. They are very much the same, and very different at the same time. Depends what you look for in a forum. Personally, when I get sick of one, I come onto the other. I like and hate both at the same time, but they serve their purpose for guy that are interested in these girls.

BTW, the amount of years on a forum, reviews and postings that you have does nothing to impress anyone except for your over inflated ego. Quantity means very little without quality and you have very little quality.

When are you going to post a review FFG? It might help your credibility.

Have to agree with you there Fiddy, this guy has no credibility.

Folks should read up about Ocean's Spa on 112st. There are some micros you may want to avoid just like there are MP's, and indies you may want to avoid.

This is very obvious and has been stated many time previously. There are also cars you want to avoid, plumbers you want to avoid and whatever else you want to tag on there. Again with the micros, you don' t like micros, we got that long time ago, why keep stating the same thing over and over? The result is not going to change.

Where was this comment 5 weeks ago when I posted the original thread? I was never unclear where my information came from. I said it was from a friend who was a micro junkie, LE, and newspapers.

???? Is this the same thread that you advised that you were involved in producing a "report" for the EPS and the Alberta RCMP (RACP?)? But then you could not provide anything and no name for the report that we could research and the only information that you gave was easily available from the newspapers and radio. Feel free to PM me the name of that said "report" that you helped prepare for the RACP, so that I might be able to access it through the Freedom on Information Act.

I am listening to Namssa. I am willing to ask questions and listen to people. I am willing to learn something. Do I feel differently after reading Namssa post? Yes, at the same time I still won't frequent a micro anytime soon. (My right, my preference)

Again with the micros, you don't like micros, we got that. "You won't frequent a micro anytime soon. (your right, your preference)" So, who is asking you to go to one? No one is asking you to visit one, in fact, I whole heartedly agree that you should not go to one. Where is the problem or the disconnect here? If you don't like them, don't go..........plain and simple.

I like to see someone do a thread on the positives and negatives of SOPAM operating procedures. There are set backs to everything. How much the girls get paid is one of them.

How much I get paid is a setback where I work too, lol.

I prefer 100% independent ladies. I would rather see a lady on her own terms without Studios, booking agents, Micros, or escort agencies involved. Personally, I feel much better when a lady get 100% of the money. Is that unfair?

I agree with your general idea of your last point, no issues there for me at all. Nothing is unfair about that, has anyone stated different?

 

[namssa]

Fear mongerers don't care to ask questions. Thier opinion is law. I have been asking question after question.

No fear mongerers just misstate facts, make false statements about their involvement in certain government agencies and keep repeating the same crap over and over again, trying to inflame the situation. Try stating references when you say you have them, ensure you know what you are talking about before making statements that are obviously not correct and stop stating the same drivel over and over again

What sets this standard? Micros are illeagally run business that operate underground.

Why do you care so much who sets the standard? You still seem to use the services of the micros that you rant on about and hate so much, so you are as much a part of the problem as anyone else. Typically an "Illegally run business" by definition will not likely follow government regulations.......really, you did not know that?

An MP is a legal business that has to follow city bylaws, Alberta Emloyment laws, pay WCB, pay taxes, has a business licence, must pass 6-12 city inpections a year, has an operating licence, all the girls that work for them must follow guildines, an MP has to pass Vice inspections and they have to report back to the city.

Some MP's still break laws every day in Alberta and everywhere. You have owners "trying out" the girls and using their services in lieu of fines, drug use and alcohol abuse is rampant in a few studios. Girls are high or drunk at a fair number of studios, surely there must be employment laws, WCB rules, business licence rules that say that this is not allowed? I am sure that all taxes are paid from every MP and there would not be a single MP in the city that has not tried to "entice" a 6-12 inspections a year inspector to indulge his innermost fantasies in exchange for a pass? As well, I am sure all the MP girls and licences escorts follow the "guidelines" to the letter, no mistakes or errors there for sure. I am dam sure that vice has no vices that they might indulge in while at an MP, nah. So you are telling me that because there is a bylaw, rule, guideline, license, inspection that these are all followed to the letter without exception? Take off the rose coloured glassed my friend.
Care to comment on this Fiddy? Seems that you have a very naive view of the world, or you are working an agenda.

I'd say the wages would vary greatly depending on the owner. Who sets the stardard for wages at a micro, and who enforces them?

Obviously the owner of the micro sets the wages and enforces them, just like the owner of the company I work for sets my wages and they enforce them too. I tell my boss I am worth more, but yet every payday my cheque is pretty much the same. Again, is this a serious question, you cannot figure that out for yourself?

The micro ladies pay a portion (usually $40 of a 160 donation) to cover rent, booking, ad,etc.

Hardly as unfair as you make it seem f/f.

You are fear mongering. Maybe visit a couple micros and ask the girls. High end ones have happy, excited, educated ladies who are usually making money for school and/or families back home.

 

[namssa]

Thank you for the compliment SIxpack. I won't flame you, it's not my thing. What I have said accurately represents some of the Micros establishments running in our in the city. The problem with my post was the facts I presented focused on worst elements. I only told half the facts. I chose to focus only on the bad things. I offered a one sided opinion. I did not make an effort to find any positives.

Namssa provided the other half. He offered the positive points.

I have not been to a Micro in Edmonton for 5 years. Most of my recent intel comes from a friend and local micro junkie. It is not my thing.

That is part of your problem Fiddy, you are relying on your friend, that I why your information is half baked. Seems like you friend is taking you for a bit of a fool. Again, quit basing the micros because, as you self admitted, you don' know what you are talking about. I don't really care that your friend is a "local micro junkie", so what?

The only concern I have is that there are close to 20 micros in the city that are not SOPAM, they are run by questionable people, and they're absolute shit holes. They rip off pooners and exploit their ladies. I don't want the pooners to support those places.

Where the hell did you come up with that number? SOPAM is only a level of service and not every micro will follow that guide. Fiddy how do you know any of this as you don't go to micros? Your information is not valid plain and simple. The odd MP and Indie girl rip off pooners as well, again not just a micro....your points are not valid. Some MP's exploit their ladies too. Hell, my boss exploits me too, and I don't make as much as these girls do.

I feel this way whether it is a Micro, Indie, MP or whatever. I will not put my hard earned money to support abuses within any part of the industry. That is perfectly fair.

Then please don't support most of the business in the city and especially the company I work for as I feel that I am exploited daily.

My recommendation is to PM Namasa for the list of places he does recommend. Namssa says there is 3-4 place he would recommend. There is about 26 micros in the city. That means there are about 22 more you may want to pass over for one reason or another.

Again, where did you come up with this number, not valid, you don't know. BTW, don't PM me as if you do your research you will find what you need and there sure in hell are NOT 20 some micros in the city of Edmonton. Fiddy pulled that out of his............well, you know.

My friend recently visited a micro at house just off of 99 St and not far from Whyte Ave. He informed me that 5 dudes were hanging out in the living room leaving the house every 20 minutes or so to do drug deals out of the backyard. You may want to avoid this location.

We need both halves of the story. Pooners need to know which micros they should avoid and which one they should visit.

As Fiddy has pointed out, he has not been to a micro in 5 years, so he really has no idea what he is talking about in regard to micros and seems to be grossly misinformed.

If you need advice on local indies and MP girls, this is my place of expertise. If you need advice on the Micro, PM Namssa.

For all the complaining, we now have more info about the Micros then before. Is that not a good thing?

Don't PM me for information on micros and if Fiddy's information on Indies and MP girls is anything like his micro information, well you might want to think about that for a bit. Fiddy, the only person on this thread complaining is you. Give it up already dude, every post you make just gives you less credibility and shows you really don't have the facts. Call it a day, buddy.

 

[*Sven*]

Fear mongerers don't care to ask questions.

Fiddy, fear mongers spread misinformation that they have not received first-hand. They present 2nd hand rumors & innuendo & try to pass it off as factual evidence that supports their biased opinions. This is exactly what you are doing.

Feel free to offer any 1st hand info you have, but spare us the "my buddy's next door neighbor had a friend who told me what he heard about a micro once...; therefore I know all about them" You clearly don't know shit about the topic. I have forgotten more about this little niche of the pooning world than you will ever know. I have done the research so I know what places have hot, happy, free working gals who are well paid (taking home $25K after a 2 week stint in CGY doesn't sound so bad eh?) and eager to show off their high service levels. That's probably the type of experience that OP is looking for eh?

You offered nothing but second hand, inaccurate info. STFU until you know of what you speak. Maybe listen to the ones who do know...


OP, there is plenty of good info in this thread, just ignore anything from fiddy/fiddy as it relates to the micro scene. He doesn't know shit.

 

[Pillowtalk]

I see a lot of angry posts, but no real information. If part of your argument in defense of micros is that other sps do the same thing (the negative parts, like fake ads, fake age, fake pics & b&s) it doesn't actually help your case lol. I see also a lot of bold statements telling us that FF is misleading or mis-information, yet there is nothing he has posted that is not verified by namssa, reviews, etc, so what exactly is misleading about it?

You know, the things that micro lovers think are great about micros are the same things that micro haters dislike the most. (outside of the low rate). Many don't like the rotating sp, they like to see the same lady over a long period of time. Many do not like the fake ads/pics/b&s and refuse to support that ideology, regardless of the low rate and high services. I think especially on review sites, which were designed to warn against those very things, there are many guys offended by the other members supporting these practises, and will refuse to go to a micro based on that principle.

Also I see a lot of accusations against sps from the mps or indys, yet none of them actually posting to support your accusations against them. I think your argument would be better if you stopped trying to blame licensed escorts complaining against micros and simply accept the fact that it is clients who are posting against them and their practises.
There are also a significant number of guys who prefer to support english speaking, local sps, who are licensed and working safely and legally (if you buy into the idea the Edmonton/Calgary bylaws licensing proponents have that registering for licenses keeps sps safer and making the mp licensing cost so much lower promotes safer working locations lol).

And if you accept that the SOPAM is not attractive to many guys, who prefer a more natural approach, or at least some variety in sessions, beyond just the actual sp changing weekly or monthly. Having the same routine time after time, with only the sp changing is boring. Many guys like to build a rapport over several visits with one sp, over months. So the things that some guys think are great about micros, are not great for everyone. I think you do a disservice to the OP by not acknowledging all of the realities of micros, which include the downsides. It is certainly not the best choice for a newbie, who would probably be better off with an indy with her own incall, than to go into a session with a non-english speaking sp, not the same as the picture in the ad, and 10 years older than expected, worst case scenario.

 

[*Sven*]

~sigh~

mods?

OP asked about Asian micros & how they differ from MPs or SPs.

Can we get thread cleaned up so the info he seeks is available?

 

[funnyfunguy]

Wow, talking about Muddying the waters. FF is a master of doing so. Maybe Fiddy/Fiddy should change his handle to Muddy/Fuddy.

As far as news stories go, the 2 places which were raided in Edmonton, and which Fiddy is reporting, relates to MASSAGE PARLORS, not Micros. So, Not Relevant to the Topic, which is about Micros.

As for Micros being busted, one was busted in Westmount, (according to news report) but the charges applied to running a bawdy house without permit, the standard charge, ("legit" Massage Parlours are, in reality, bawdy houses, but With Permits), and no charges for trafficking in this case were ever laid, as per News Reports.

 

[funnyfunguy]

This is my last post here Namssa, I do agree it is time to move on. It was time to move on 2-3 weeks ago.

I much rather my last comment in this thread be positive.
Fiddy

You keep on saying it's your last post, it's your last comment, but yet you continue on and on, ..you just have to have the last word, don't you?. If you keep wrecking your credibility this way, is it any wonder we don't believe what you're saying.

 

[FloridaGuy]

"....a micro posing as a parlour"!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't George Orwell write about shit like that? Changing reality to reflect your own opinions??

F/F you just lost EVERY point you made in here, when you re-named a massage parlour into a micro, just to keep from being wrong, after you posted a bunch of irrelevant stories that DID NOT RELATE TO MICROS. Glad to have you off this thread, 'cause at this point you're doing more harm to trafficked women than good. In the minds of a lot of readers, there is now doubt about the truth of trafficking in the Asian sex trade in Canada, because you tried to hijack stories about MASSAGE PARLOURS to save face.

 

[jmmk]

You keep on saying it's your last post, it's your last comment, but yet you continue on and on, ..you just have to have the last word, don't you?. If you keep wrecking your credibility this way, is it any wonder we don't believe what you're saying.

Man I can't wait for the day of your last post. The self proclaimed Perb cop without even ONE single review in 3 years. You add absolutely nothing to this forum other then to correct people on how and where to post. Change your name to Stickinthemud would be more appropriate.

 

[funnyfunguy]

Whatever happened to ?

This will be my last post for this thread.

This is my last post here

my last comment in this thread

Like jd has said in the past:

Oh just so you know, I have ALOT of free time at work, so I am probably going to continue to post my opinion of your opinion, if your opinion is stupid.

Right, jd?

 

[*Sven*]

I will not visit a Micro under any circumstances.

I stopped by Sugarland when I was at Calgary.

I'm so confused...

 

[overdone]

Namssa is the only I have see that has done good job. The rest of seem to just add 2 cents here and there. Sachi's spa was doing business after 11pm. That made it an illegal asian brothel.

No, that made it a MP that was operating outside of the bounds of the bylaws of the City of Edmonton.

From the previous post you copied from the newspaper it indicated that Sachi had a licence to operate as a MP. Some of the women were licenced and some weren't.

A brothel can't be licenced. That is what a micro would be considered.

It's misinformation like this that makes you look like you are pulling shit out of your ass and claiming that they are facts. When they are really only mostly your opinion. Which is fine, but hardly allows you to claim some kind of moral high ground.

Morality is just what the flavour of the day is at any particular point in time, it changes regularly based on society and the morons who are yapping the loudest at the time. Trying to force their way on others.