Crystals, Magic, and Voodoo healing

Katlyn

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I have a back injury which I have been rehabilitating for a long time and am in constant varying levels of pain. Recently a friend of mine gave me a stone which he says had been radiated with some kind of healing energy and he said when he got it home he meditated with it for a few days, filling it with love and positive energy.

I appreciated the effort he put into it, very thoughtful gift, but part of me (big part) was laughing thinking how silly it was. He told me to keep it near where my pain is (it has a string on it). So I have done this. Either by putting it in a pocket or hanging it from a bra strap, etc, depending on where I was hurting.

I really didn't want to fuel what I consider his craziness ;) but the fucking thing works. I've had this injury for a long time so I know how long the pain takes to dissipate and what I need to do in order for it to go away. I am VERY familiar with my pain and this little stone has sped up the process. Whenever I hurt I usually hurt at least 12 hours and have to do all kinds of things like specific exercises and scalding hot showers to have the muscles relax enough to let the pain fade away. With this little stone sitting nearby the pain fades in only a couple of hours. Keep in mind I totally was not expecting it to work at all so it isn't my hope or my own energy making things better. In fact I was convinced it was hogwash and only put it in my pocket while he was there to placate him.

It's absolutely insane but now I've been using it for a week and just rotate it's position whenever a different spot hurts more than the last. I thought maybe it was from extra pressure, like if it is in my pocket and I'm sitting it will push against my glutes but even when I have it hanging loosely from the brastrap it helps. It's not fixing the actual bones and joints obviously, but it is doing something to make the pain less.

I talked to a friend about this and she told me that when she had cancer she experienced the same thing and as a blind test she told a friend to remove the stones from under her bed randomly without telling her. She said everytime she woke up and told her friend that she was feeling sick, that had been a night the stones had been removed.

Has anyone else had these types of experiences?
 
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Has anyone else had these types of experiences?
I'm sure that if you talk to anybody who has been in the health care long enough they'll tell you of cases where dramatic and miraculous cures occur for no good reason or for reasons that simply defy logic. There's still a lot out there that just can't be explained. But that's ok; as long as you're feeling better, that's all that really matters.

Now patent it and sell them for millions.
 

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All sounds like the placebo effect to me. whatever you do, don't stop medical treatments (chiropractors aren't proper medical treatments...) and hopefully you got some second opinions.

Be really wary of the term "Quantum" being thrown into the explanation of anything the slightest bit new age. It's an easy way to legitimize bullshit "alternate" medicines. I put "alternate" in quotes since the very term is bullshit. There's no such thing as alternate medicine, it's either accepted medicine or it isn't.

this series is well worth a watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
 
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Katlyn

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Nina, very cool thanks :)

Ross, I know...but the thing is I don't actually think it works...well today I started to think "okay maybe" but before that. I put it in my pocket with him there and then forgot about it. Then (I wore the same jeans two days in a row), on the second day I remember commenting to him that I wasn't sore and I wondered why and he asked if the stone was stil there. It was. But I brushed it off. But the pain didn't come back until I changed into different clothes (no stone).

I still haven't told him because like I said I try not to encourage his insanity ;)

But the fucking thing is working.

And no, I don't believe it can heal the bones, I still see my guy weekly, but it has calmed the muscles somehow...it must give off some kind of radiation that is helping, just like heat (a certain frequency of radiation) helps. Love to put it under a spectroscope and see what it is.
 

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But the fucking thing is working.
:eek: :eek: Language young lady! Don't make me put you over my knee! No stone is gonna help that red ass feel better! :mad:

Hubba, stop masturbating :rolleyes:
 

rossedm34

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Well, find out where or how this stone got "filled with healing energy". As far as I know, it doesn't exist. If it was him meditating on it for a few days filling it with "love and positive energy", then he has amazing mental powers that might make him and the mystery "healing energy" the most amazing find in the history of mankind. Get him to take some control tests and maybe he can win Randi's million dollar prize.

Otherwise, it's just a rock your hanging near your back. Glad it works for you. And I don't doubt it does work for you. Sounds like you've been dealing with this pain for a long time, and someone you care about has spent a lot of time with this to try to make you feel better. The mind can do amazing (non-paranormal) things with such positive influence. Knowing that someone cares about us makes us feel better. Simple as that. :)
 

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Well, find out where or how this stone got "filled with healing energy". As far as I know, it doesn't exist. If it was him meditating on it for a few days filling it with "love and positive energy", then he has amazing mental powers that might make him and the mystery "healing energy" the most amazing find in the history of mankind. Get him to take some control tests and maybe he can win Randi's million dollar prize.

Otherwise, it's just a rock your hanging near your back. Glad it works for you. And I don't doubt it does work for you. Sounds like you've been dealing with this pain for a long time, and someone you care about has spent a lot of time with this to try to make you feel better. The mind can do amazing (non-paranormal) things with such positive influence. Knowing that someone cares about us makes us feel better. Simple as that. :)
If it works for her, why would you say that? If this is a case of mind over matter, why not let it be? :confused:
 

rossedm34

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If it works for her, why would you say that? If this is a case of mind over matter, why not let it be? :confused:
Because it's a scam and I'd hate to see anyone get sucked into it any further and potentially spend money on these types of things? And since it's a mind over matter issue, it's a management thing, not a cure. she can still do that, even while knowing the truth.

Here's a site that's worth a perusal.

http://www.randi.org/site/
 

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Don't be too quick to dismiss

these observations, however unscientific and anecdotal. Katlyn doesn't seem to be trying to persuade anybody - just recounting her experience. Most fundamental scientific discovery has a high element of serendipity. We find new things when we were looking for something entirely unrelated. If this is Katlyn's experience then it is real for Katlyn. We can say that, conclusively. What we don't know is what and why Katlyn has that experience and somebody else doesn't. Personally I enjoy 'hot rocks' treatments. I find the hot rocks most 'healing' when applied by a nude masseuse/masseur with warm hands!! Is it the rocks or the massage that's curing me? I'll just keep experimenting - not sure I really want to know the truth. If you want to experiment with hot rocks, pm me and I'll give you the name of my 'healer'. As always YMMV :)
 

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FYI the link that Nina posted isn't hogwash. It is just clothing made with a ceramic fibre interwoven with cotton. Like any ceramic it has a high specific heat capacity (that means it can hold a lot of heat) which means it absorbs the body's radiation (heat) and is warm. The warmth relaxes muscles. They use less scientific words for people who are scared off by technical stuff.

I feel sorry for people that aren't willing to be open to ideas without them having a named medical term for it. I mean, there are constantly things that can not be explained and with time things do get explained.

Take auras for instance. Everything radiates energy (radiation / heat) but we radiate different wavelength of the electromagnetic spectrum and at different strengths (ever known someone that had problems wearing certain kinds of watches which would stop on them but work on other people?). For a long time it was speculated that people who could see auras were simply able to see wavelengths that others of us can't. It is like how some people are colourblind, they can not see certain wavelengths of light. Well, they thought maybe those that can see auras can see more wavelengths than most. Then a university decided to use cameras that could see other wavelengths to take pictures of people's hands. They continually adjusted the cameras and eventually they found specific wavelengths of light (radiation) surrounding the hand. I doubt every person that claims to see auras actually possesses this ability to see additional wavelengths but it's not unbelievable to me. I can't find a link because I don't remember enough info but it was in the 90's that I saw a documentary on TLC. People will dismiss it until the American Medical Association gives it a name and then it will be "oh that's cool".

Anyway, point is not every person has the same capabilities. People who disbelieve this is possible...I just don't understand. I mean, how is it so unbelievable that some people have a wider spectrum of vision? There are people who SEE sounds as colours rather than hearing it, it's a documented condition called Synaesthesia. Some people taste sound rather than hear it as well. I believe that is where a lot of the "magic" stuff people refuse to be open to originates from -- conditions where a rare few are wired differently than the rest. I know there are people who can do things that sound like magic because I can't do them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

There is a lot of stuff in this world that is unexplained, just dismissing it outright is pretty close-minded. As I said about the crystal, I have no idea why but it is helping. It could very well be the material it is made out of radiating a wavelength that is relaxing the muscles and have nothing to do with whatever energy it was supposed to be infused with or my friend putting his thoughts into it. But then again there is a reason people believe in the power of prayer...unexplainable things happen when people put their minds to it.
 

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The mind can do amazing (non-paranormal) things with such positive influence. Knowing that someone cares about us makes us feel better. Simple as that. :)
I wouldn't discount the paranormal but I completely agree with the power of the mind and simply caring for one another. :)
 

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I'm open to anything, and I actually was given a stone similar to your experience.
Ihad nothing to lose but pain, so why not?
I used it faithfully - even did imaging positive healing thoughts while using it and can truthfully say - after two months it didn not do a thing.

But I say, whatever works for somebody - go for it.
 

rossedm34

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There is a lot of stuff in this world that is unexplained, just dismissing it outright is pretty close-minded.
There's a difference between being close minded and blind acceptance. You bring up auras. Yes, it does make sense that some people could have a wider ability to see spectrum that others can't. That DOESN'T mean they can see auras. This has been clinically tested in a controlled environment based upon the participants claimed. It was not tested in a way to fool the participant, but set openly so the person who claimed to be able to see auras could prove their ability. None have passed this testing, and auras are considered to be in the same realm of shams (people pay others for aura readings) as fortune telling and what not. If some one claims to be able to see auras, and has not taken the time to have the ability proven, why wouldn't they? Any of these abilities would open up entirely new ways of thinking. That's the amazing and beautiful thing about the scientific process. That many of these gizmos like the magnetic bands and aura enhancing crystals failed the process. We most likely wouldn't pay to take drugs from a pharmaceutical company that completely failed test trials and was proven to not do what it was supposed to, why shouldn't new age healing cures be under the same scrutiny when it's purchased with the same money?

I want to point out too, that I don't know Katlyn, and I'm not really having a go at her in general. She seems really level headed with all this. Just a case of this being a thing I'm very wary of after having a loved one refuse cancer treatments for shark cartilage pills because "those damned doctors don't know what they are doing." If having a crystal makes her back feel better, then more power to her, since she said she's still going to regular treatments.

What are those treatments? Physio I hope? They give you a time line?
 

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Since the subject of auras has popped up I was reminded that I visited a person a couple of years ago who claimed he could see and interpret a person's aura. I was sceptical but feeling bored and felt it would at least be painless. The time was actually very interesting and the guy was smart enough to use his interpretation of my 'aura' to discuss other personal matters of interest to me. I'm by no means a meta-physics follower but sometimes these intangible ideas can be beneficial in unexpected ways. Same with fortune telling and tarot cards. Properly handled the fortune teller or reader, using the theatrical tools, can help the subject think about their 'issues' in a non threatening way. My aura guy also does massage, it turned out, and he has shown me that certainly sensation can be experienced without actual physical contact to the skin. Aura reading can be quite exotic in the right hands.;)
 

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I'm open to anything, and I actually was given a stone similar to your experience.
Ihad nothing to lose but pain, so why not?
I used it faithfully - even did imaging positive healing thoughts while using it and can truthfully say - after two months it didn not do a thing.

But I say, whatever works for somebody - go for it.
hahaha yes, that is awesome. That has been my experience in the past as well. I just see these things as fun, novelty. That is why I am so freak'n shocked about this.

We most likely wouldn't pay to take drugs from a pharmaceutical company that completely failed test trials and was proven to not do what it was supposed to, why shouldn't new age healing cures be under the same scrutiny when it's purchased with the same money?
I'm not going to get into this, because I don't have the knowledge to have a real debate. But there is enough evidence to believe that yes, this is exactly what we do. It is known that a lot of companies pay people off to have their products' trials show specific results. Lots of drugs have been recalled when this has happened. You better believe there are a ton of products on the market that are no more useful than herbal remedies 1/4 of the cost.

As for my injury. I've been in rehabilitation for years, and I will be still for quite some time. Most people broken up as badly as me would have sat on disability for the rest of their lives and given up but I refuse, I'd rather spend $1K/mo on rehab and be able to LIVE.


My aura guy also does massage, it turned out, and he has shown me that certainly sensation can be experienced without actual physical contact to the skin. Aura reading can be quite exotic in the right hands.;)
Madeleine (an advertiser here) does proper tantra massage and a proper tantra massage usually involves little, if any, touching. Apparently it is really intense, I have yet to experience it though.
 

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Instead of seeing is believing, it really is believing is seeing. The world around us is moulded by our perception of it, and that is in addition to the biological and mental variances among individuals. Therefore, reality is what's real to each of us and unique.

Everything is energy: Thoughts, emotions, we ourselves, the famouse Einstein equation, etc. It is not surprising then that Katlyn is experiencing the effect of a energetically charged stone. Weren't there also experiments showing that mental concentration could influence random number generators whose results couldn't be explained by chance alone?

I used to be able to sometimes see my own aura in a mirror when I was in high school :), but I didn't develop the skill further. But for me, it added a facet to my metaphysical knowledge.

The scientific process is useful, but it can be hindered by the limitation of current technologies or our model of the universe.
 

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My 2cents worth on skepticisim on metaphysical or mystic healing arts; who cares if you believe it or not. If it works in relieving your pain why not use it. Not every solution works for everybody but, if you find something that works for you keep using it.

This is little off topic but, i personally use an inversion table for my back pain due to a head-on collision; suppose to over the long run lessen my problem; it's working so far, will see what happens???
 

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Instead of seeing is believing, it really is believing is seeing. The world around us is moulded by our perception of it, and that is in addition to the biological and mental variances among individuals.
You can't be serious. this has to be the most hackneyed spiritualism bullshit I've ever read. What was the world millions of years before humans? What molded it then? It doesn't even make sense. Believing IS seeing. There's a word for things that only you can see, but no one else can, and you can't prove it. Delusion.

What your talking about is personal experience, not how the world (in all the complex meanings that word can take) works. Spiritualism how your approaching it is a way to explain the world and how things work as if your the the sole person on it. Science attempts to explain it universally, not just based on the self. Science isn't evil, the things we have learned through it are amazing and extraordinary. It makes the world around us all that much better, and the less you cloud it with spiritualist mumbo jumbo the better it is!

Everything is energy and everything is based on molecules. That's a far step from thought control. It's ridiculous and childish to me to think that just by wishing good thoughts on a hunk of rock, you can imbue it with the equivalent of magic powers. It sounds like an incredibly self empowering egotistical thing to say. If you can actually infuse inanimate objects with the power of your mind, then prove it. Should be simple enough right? Why is it that no one can, yet there's a ton of lip service about the quantum chakras that are in the human body, or how the patterned lighted crystals and synchronized vibration tones can untangle our DNA and make us feel better?

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Using Katlyn as an example (an example only, I by no means am attempting to speak for her, she's more then capable of doing that herself.). I can easily believe that she is subconsciously using the rock as a focal point/symbol of healing, due to it being given to her by a loved one who spent some time with it out of love for her so that she can feel better, and as a result, she feels better. We KNOW that the mind can work this way with pain management, and basic human nature indicates that we feel better about ourselves emotionally and physically when we are attended to by another human being, especially if that human being is one we also care about. It's part of our social make up. whether you call it a placebo or a positive thinking device, this absolutely explains what Katlyn is feeling. It explains it with absolutely no paranormal/spiritual mumbo jumbo bullshit that is outside of accepted scientific/skeptic thinking, and it absolutely does not negate it from working, at least it shouldn't.
 
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