I see a couple of new ads popped up on EC's website in the wake of Craigslist's erotic services section's demise. I see this as a good thing. I never trusted Craigslist to point of ever seeking the services of their SPs. EC is more reputable and more connected to PERB. Like I say, a good thing.
Craigslist refugees
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Yes, now the trash from CL is coming over to EC. Not that EC didn't already have some trash of it's own, but now they have more.
Wow that is not nice to say. If you see a problem on EC with an advertiser click the REPORT PROBLEM button on the ad. The people from CL (Good and bad) will look for other advertising places but condoning a site for putting up a bad advertiser is insane! We don't go making appointments with every advertiser before permitting them to place an ad!! We rely on our visitors to let us know when someone is doing something they should not. Expecting or demanding anything more is ridiculous!!
We have great advertisers on escorts-canada! Many have been with us for years without even a single complaint registered on the account. We moderate the ads based on our viewers complaints - how many other sites do that? Most just take the money and don't care! EC actually cares and goes the extra mile to cut the bad ads down as much as possible.
Many of you lived (and supported) CL even with all the bait and switch and scams!! You showed the scammers that advertising online is profitable by doing this. You must expect that they are not just going to go away now! Do you want to support a site that just continues where CL left off or a site that has been around since 1997 and has integrity and supports the community!?!!
Bashing EC is sad cause it's one of the only sites that actually cares about it's reputation!
We have great advertisers on escorts-canada! Many have been with us for years without even a single complaint registered on the account. We moderate the ads based on our viewers complaints - how many other sites do that? Most just take the money and don't care! EC actually cares and goes the extra mile to cut the bad ads down as much as possible.
Many of you lived (and supported) CL even with all the bait and switch and scams!! You showed the scammers that advertising online is profitable by doing this. You must expect that they are not just going to go away now! Do you want to support a site that just continues where CL left off or a site that has been around since 1997 and has integrity and supports the community!?!!
Bashing EC is sad cause it's one of the only sites that actually cares about it's reputation!
No one was condoning EC. It's a well known fact that many of the ad's on EC are old and have out dated pictures and stats.
Absolutely, EC will post the ad as long as they get paid. More than one ad for shitty SP's on there, still need to do your homework.No one was condoning EC. It's a well known fact that many of the ad's on EC are old and have out dated pictures and stats.
We can not force the ladies to update the text and photos... the ads bring them enough business that obviously they continue to pay for the ads and don't feel the need to keep changing them. Many do change photos and text and they can all log in and make changes to the ad as often as they wish. Don't you think your issue with this should be with the ladies who do not make these changes you require and not the EC site? What would you have us do differently? Do you have any suggestions? How would you bring new REAL quality ads to the site? Please let us know. On one hand you don't want the bait and switch and scams so you most certainly do not want craigslist ads but on the other hand you want new ads. I am open to any suggestions you have on how to accomplish this. Personally I figure with craigslist out of the way the legit ladies will come back to sites like EC and we can all go back to the way it was before CL.No one was condoning EC. It's a well known fact that many of the ad's on EC are old and have out dated pictures and stats.
That is not true. We pull paid ads and refuse to allow people to advertise all the time. Why do you think 90% of the sites are littered with Asian bait and switch ads and EC is not? They try to put the ads on our site all the time and have no issue paying for the ads but we do not allow the bait and switch ads. We probably turn down a few hundred ads a year cause they are known bait and switch ads. Some people tell us we should just run them anyway and pocket the money as everyone knows they are fake photos used in those ads... but we don't. You do all need to do your homework, work together and let us know when someone is bait and switching. We can't cure that problem overnight but I think we do our part! Those sites that knowingly allow the Bait and switch ads, those sites are the ones you should have a beef with. I would be pissed off to if I showed up and it was a different person then the ad pictured so I am 100% on your site in keeping the bait and switch ads off.Absolutely, EC will post the ad as long as they get paid. More than one ad for shitty SP's on there, still need to do your homework.
The policy on escorts-canada is if the lady changes her name she must put a "Formerly Known As XXXXXX" announcement in the ad (at the top of the description) for a MINIMUM on 30 days. This stops them from changing names for malicious reasons (Scamming) trying to avoid bad reviews. They CAN NOT change names on the ad without doing this. The ladies have the right to change their alias. Expecting us to force them to keep a name is ridiculous!!I would like to know why EC allows Jenna now Kristina Cummings to change her name all the time.
You all know Winnipeg has some serious issues.
You have an agency out in Winnipeg that teaches the ladies to do all the things you HATE. Bait and switch, multiple ladies working off the same ad (substitutions) and so much more bad stuff. Some of you point the finger at EC but in turn will say stuff like "when I showed up she was not the girl in the photo but I stayed" saying that even though you were scammed you still gave them your money willingly. You don't all do this, a few of you will turn and run and not give her a dime (Exactly what you should do) and you should REPORT this to escorts-canada.
Just yesterday we removed a ad from escorts-canada from a tip from two of the members here on perb.
Instead of posting and complaining about it... report them to EC. I do not read every thread here (I would love to but I do not have the time) so you need to click the REPORT button on the ad and logge a complaint (FLAG) the ad.
Every ad has a REPORT PROBLEM button on the ad.
TIP: If you include a valid email your report is given a much higher credibility level as we can reply back and ask questions. Reports without any email address are still valuable to us as they will accumulate and help us see who is being naughty over time but if you include a email and allow us to discuss the matter further with you we do investigate the claim (Just ask the ladies - many are pissed off at us cause we question the legitimacy of the photos at times and pull fake photo ads). We loose paying advertisers because of this to help protect the guys! We do our part!
This stuff damages our reputation so we DO NOT want the bait and switch and scammers on the site. Some of you however have these outlandish expectations and feel that EC should be held accountable for every advertisers actions (Again, very unrealistic).
We do our part do you do yours? Use that report button if you know something we should know about. Not hearsay but first hand bad experiences.
Bottom Line... If the guy books a lady off EC and is happy he will return to EC and book another lady (This is good business for everyone) if he is mad and assumes that all ads are FAKE or SCAMS it's bad business... we don't want that! It is not logical to think we would just take the persons money and allow them to bait and switch or scam our visitors. Please be realistic with your assumptions, expecations and claims.
Thanks for responding to my questiona and that is a fair explanation. One suggestion I would like to make is you should enforce ladies to post their proper age.
Enforce? Do you know any lady over 19 who tells you their real age? Hell the 18 year olds say they are 24 and the 24 year olds say they are 18... It's all about the fantasy... we all know that.
We can't force the ladies to do something they do not want to do and age is a SENSITIVE subject for MANY ladies in and out of this business.
I doubt the weight and the measurements are accurate on 50% of the ads either. If she can get away with telling you she is 29 and she is 34 it makes her happy... happy is good. If she is 59 and saying she is 29 or even 39 that would be missleading and we would ask them to fix this but often when we ask them they want us to remove the age all together and refuse to put a real age. We have actually lost advertisers over this age issue. Same with weight 125lbs lady will say 114lbs and 165 will say 135 (We all know this - it's called "girl math")
The Truths we face:
- Don't ask a ladies age, don't expect she will tell you the truth if asked. It's a ROUGH ballpark figure on EC and it the age the lady wants you to beleive she is. It may be true but your better off not questioning it. (Just be happy when they post something they can actually pass for) it's all part of the fantasy.
- Don't force the ladies do do ANYTHING or they will just tell you where to go and do it anyway (it's bad business for us to do this - we don't want to scare away the legit good gems!)
- We are not dealing with tangible items here. These are people (Real humans - mostly ladies!) and sometimes it's hard for some guys to see that they are not buying a item from a store. Need to remember that.
Many of the ladies are sensitive, emotional and self conscious. They can fight weight gains and make the service better but they can not fight age. Please don't be hard on the ladies when they lie about age by a few years and find a polite way of saying they should fix the age on the ad if they no longer can pass for the age listed. Be gentlemen about it and if the lady is 6+ years off in her age and it's VERY apparent she can not pass for the age listed you can report it to us and we will politely let her know her age is being questioned and remind her to update this field. We will however not force them to reveal their actual REAL age. Hopefully they are realistic about it and hopefully it becomes part of the fantasy for you.
We can't force the ladies to do something they do not want to do and age is a SENSITIVE subject for MANY ladies in and out of this business.
I doubt the weight and the measurements are accurate on 50% of the ads either. If she can get away with telling you she is 29 and she is 34 it makes her happy... happy is good. If she is 59 and saying she is 29 or even 39 that would be missleading and we would ask them to fix this but often when we ask them they want us to remove the age all together and refuse to put a real age. We have actually lost advertisers over this age issue. Same with weight 125lbs lady will say 114lbs and 165 will say 135 (We all know this - it's called "girl math")
The Truths we face:
- Don't ask a ladies age, don't expect she will tell you the truth if asked. It's a ROUGH ballpark figure on EC and it the age the lady wants you to beleive she is. It may be true but your better off not questioning it. (Just be happy when they post something they can actually pass for) it's all part of the fantasy.
- Don't force the ladies do do ANYTHING or they will just tell you where to go and do it anyway (it's bad business for us to do this - we don't want to scare away the legit good gems!)
- We are not dealing with tangible items here. These are people (Real humans - mostly ladies!) and sometimes it's hard for some guys to see that they are not buying a item from a store. Need to remember that.
Many of the ladies are sensitive, emotional and self conscious. They can fight weight gains and make the service better but they can not fight age. Please don't be hard on the ladies when they lie about age by a few years and find a polite way of saying they should fix the age on the ad if they no longer can pass for the age listed. Be gentlemen about it and if the lady is 6+ years off in her age and it's VERY apparent she can not pass for the age listed you can report it to us and we will politely let her know her age is being questioned and remind her to update this field. We will however not force them to reveal their actual REAL age. Hopefully they are realistic about it and hopefully it becomes part of the fantasy for you.
The best advice I can offer.... go with the recommendations of established hobbyists. Stick with regulars. Enjoy the relationships you have established with your SPs. Happy pooning.
I love it. When was the last time you have seen EC defend themselves; not that I think EC does a particularly bad job.
In my experience you can make a poor choice on EC or any other advertiseing board. I've had as many good experience on EC as I've had on CL and they have averaged a little better than my results on other advertiseing formats. My only absolute stike-out is with agencies in Wpg. The real key is to do your research and occassionally ' take one for the team' .
As far as research goes perb is as good a source as any. The other .erb can be entertaining but useless. Like a playpen for the SPs.
I will miss CL and look forward to something replacing it in a meaningful way for both SPs and hobbiers.
When I say this I realize that there will be a number of people that want to jump all over my ass for my point-of-view; but I have never minded marching to the beat of a different drummer... chicas
In my experience you can make a poor choice on EC or any other advertiseing board. I've had as many good experience on EC as I've had on CL and they have averaged a little better than my results on other advertiseing formats. My only absolute stike-out is with agencies in Wpg. The real key is to do your research and occassionally ' take one for the team' .
As far as research goes perb is as good a source as any. The other .erb can be entertaining but useless. Like a playpen for the SPs.
I will miss CL and look forward to something replacing it in a meaningful way for both SPs and hobbiers.
When I say this I realize that there will be a number of people that want to jump all over my ass for my point-of-view; but I have never minded marching to the beat of a different drummer... chicas
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Soooo, a provider can lie about her age, lie about her weight, have pictures that are 5+ years old and that's ok with EC?
Does any part of the ad have to be true?
So the woman you expect to see based on old picctures and lies isn't the woman you actually get.
Isn't this just another form of bait and switch? But you allow it because she is paying for it.
How exactly are you helping us?
Does any part of the ad have to be true?
So the woman you expect to see based on old picctures and lies isn't the woman you actually get.
Isn't this just another form of bait and switch? But you allow it because she is paying for it.
How exactly are you helping us?
Enforce? Do you know any lady over 19 who tells you their real age? Hell the 18 year olds say they are 24 and the 24 year olds say they are 18... It's all about the fantasy... we all know that.
We can't force the ladies to do something they do not want to do and age is a SENSITIVE subject for MANY ladies in and out of this business.
I doubt the weight and the measurements are accurate on 50% of the ads either. If she can get away with telling you she is 29 and she is 34 it makes her happy... happy is good. If she is 59 and saying she is 29 or even 39 that would be missleading and we would ask them to fix this but often when we ask them they want us to remove the age all together and refuse to put a real age. We have actually lost advertisers over this age issue. Same with weight 125lbs lady will say 114lbs and 165 will say 135 (We all know this - it's called "girl math")
The Truths we face:
- Don't ask a ladies age, don't expect she will tell you the truth if asked. It's a ROUGH ballpark figure on EC and it the age the lady wants you to beleive she is. It may be true but your better off not questioning it. (Just be happy when they post something they can actually pass for) it's all part of the fantasy.
- Don't force the ladies do do ANYTHING or they will just tell you where to go and do it anyway (it's bad business for us to do this - we don't want to scare away the legit good gems!)
- We are not dealing with tangible items here. These are people (Real humans - mostly ladies!) and sometimes it's hard for some guys to see that they are not buying a item from a store. Need to remember that.
Many of the ladies are sensitive, emotional and self conscious. They can fight weight gains and make the service better but they can not fight age. Please don't be hard on the ladies when they lie about age by a few years and find a polite way of saying they should fix the age on the ad if they no longer can pass for the age listed. Be gentlemen about it and if the lady is 6+ years off in her age and it's VERY apparent she can not pass for the age listed you can report it to us and we will politely let her know her age is being questioned and remind her to update this field. We will however not force them to reveal their actual REAL age. Hopefully they are realistic about it and hopefully it becomes part of the fantasy for you.
I dont think it's so much a form of bait and switch. As long as the pics are her, granted could be outdated but it would still resemble her in some form. Bait and switch is CL where some girls use pics that are completely not them in the least.
At least when EC gets a complaint they investigate and those girls that are using fake pics are automatically booted off. I think that is awesome.
Some advertisers would just let it be as they don't care, they have the money so who cares!!
Good job EC Chris.
At least when EC gets a complaint they investigate and those girls that are using fake pics are automatically booted off. I think that is awesome.
Some advertisers would just let it be as they don't care, they have the money so who cares!!
Good job EC Chris.
badger
At the end of the day, ec is an advertising site not a quality control site. No advertising agency takes responisibility for quality control of the product nor are ad agencies obligated to tell their customers to update their commercials. EC tries to develop a better ad by having features like verified photos etc.
At the end of the day, ec is an advertising site not a quality control site. No advertising agency takes responisibility for quality control of the product nor are ad agencies obligated to tell their customers to update their commercials. EC tries to develop a better ad by having features like verified photos etc.
Thank you all (Well except Badger who has those INSANE expectations I mentioned). We do not need to "defend ourselves", EC has been online since 1997 and our reputation speaks for itself and our happy (realistic) visitors appreciate the site and as you can see from this thread they will also step in and speak up when nessassary.
Badger, I think you have a great business mind and you should pursue your concept! Have you ever considered opening your own escort directory!? I bet you could make millions! (Sorry sarcasm does not always work well when typing so yes, if you have not caught on yet... I am being sarcastic and laughing at you).Soooo, a provider can lie about her age, lie about her weight, have pictures that are 5+ years old and that's ok with EC?
Does any part of the ad have to be true?
So the woman you expect to see based on old picctures and lies isn't the woman you actually get.
Isn't this just another form of bait and switch? But you allow it because she is paying for it.
How exactly are you helping us?
Chris your ego is getting the best of you. Yes EC is better than CL but to say you pull ad's all the time is a little hard to swallow when you have ad's for two notorious B&S agencies on your Toronto section. Verified photos are also no guarantee that you will not get B&S, I remember Filipino Cindy who had verified photos yet many guys still reported getting a different girl.
Has anyone ever noticed that the Garden of Eden ladies always look exactly like there pictures, there weight is right on, measurements are to the T, and they are the age they advertise as????
As a long time pooner I have been around long enough to know who is in this industry. However there are many new pooner that get burn at least once maybe twice before they realize who is who. Who is using old pictures and who is much heavier then advertised.
Most of my hobby time is now spend with the traveling sp's for the simple fact that there ad's are constantly updated. I also find there are no distractions. There here for one reason and one reason only and that is to work.
Soleil you have nothing to worry about. You are one of the sp's that pooners talk about as being one of most down to earth, up front and honest ladies in the Winnipeg.
As a long time pooner I have been around long enough to know who is in this industry. However there are many new pooner that get burn at least once maybe twice before they realize who is who. Who is using old pictures and who is much heavier then advertised.
Most of my hobby time is now spend with the traveling sp's for the simple fact that there ad's are constantly updated. I also find there are no distractions. There here for one reason and one reason only and that is to work.
Soleil you have nothing to worry about. You are one of the sp's that pooners talk about as being one of most down to earth, up front and honest ladies in the Winnipeg.
Great thread and very civil discussion. Congratulations to the Winnipeg boys for dragging Chris out of the wood-work. (kicking and screaming, mind-you.. )
I'd almost like to move this thread to the Lounge or one of the more general threads. Instead of a general Health Nurse type thread - more like a Board Nurse.
I don't know if I can trust you Winnepeg boys, though.. There are a couple of well-known trouble makers out there like: Avery, TJ and rubintugger who would probably ruin it for everybody.
I'd almost like to move this thread to the Lounge or one of the more general threads. Instead of a general Health Nurse type thread - more like a Board Nurse.
I don't know if I can trust you Winnepeg boys, though.. There are a couple of well-known trouble makers out there like: Avery, TJ and rubintugger who would probably ruin it for everybody.
Trouble maker? Me? I guess truth can be trouble for some....Great thread and very civil discussion. Congratulations to the Winnipeg boys for dragging Chris out of the wood-work. (kicking and screaming, mind-you.. )
I'd almost like to move this thread to the Lounge or one of the more general threads. Instead of a general Health Nurse type thread - more like a Board Nurse.
I don't know if I can trust you Winnepeg boys, though.. There are a couple of well-known trouble makers out there like: Avery, TJ and rubintugger who would probably ruin it for everybody.
Here's an idea for Chris - have a verified and unverified area. Your own paid for ad CL area. Take the skanky ho's money and give them an "as is / take your chances" section.
I enjoy having EC around, it is a good resource for pooners, but it is far from a "sure thing". But it's as close as you can expect in this industry, and Chris deserves some kudos for his efforts. In conjunction with PERB, its kinda great. Look 'em up on EC, and then read the reviews on PERB. That way you can avoid the "starfishes" and "clockwatchers" and "old photos" which don't violate EC rules, but can be misleading.
Now, if only he'd remove Regina Chrisinda's ad from the text area in Manitoba... she's been retired for years (can't see a flag area in the text ads).
