Covid Hypocrisy

Vondong1

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I just have to make this thought out loud and clear. These new restrictions are a perfect example of how flawed and fraud this pandemic really is, these dystopian rules that wont allow even family members into a different household or you can face up to a $3000 fine, same with dining with friends who do not live in the same district... Yet, massage parlors on kingsway and everywhere else can continue to run their business without a single complaint? you think a fucking condom and mask are going to stop you from catching anything? there are reasons why Thailand of all places has like zero cases and deaths and are ready to open to tourism again and why Sweden has no problem with a rise in cases/deaths.

This is not a message against any of their services, but, rather at lack of community support for business' that actually do matter and turning heads where they don't matter. This is a testament to how ill-prepared and how terribly our resources were allocated during this pandemic. We had 8 months to figure out where to pop up hospice services and beds for anticipated covid patients, instead we sat back while they predicted the second wave and now we have might have to lockdown AGAIN because liberal govvernment did absolutely nothing. The western medicine system is also to blame since 44% of Americans are stuck on the healthcare system with at least one pre-existing condition, Canada is not much better.
 
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steverino

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You may want to edit your Sweden reference as it is being hit hard and the directions to citzens seems muddled at best.


STOCKHOLM — As it becomes clear that a second wave of COVID-19 is hitting lockdown holdout Sweden hard, debate in the country has moved to a new question: Whose fault is it?

The government pushed back, saying current rules were appropriate — and were being tightened where necessary. It blamed citizens for not following the rules already in place.


Meanwhile, on the streets of Stockholm, citizens blamed their leaders, saying the current rules sent mixed messages, making them hard to follow.


“It’s complicated,” said Gudrun Richter, who runs a café in the city center. “They tell people not to go out and eat, but restaurants are allowed to stay open; they tell people not to go shopping, but the malls are still open as normal.”


Since the pandemic hit Europe in March, Sweden has been in sharp focus globally, as restriction-weary populations and leaders elsewhere have wondered if Stockholm’s rejection of lockdown — schools, businesses and borders were left open — offered a viable option.

Results have been mixed. After a calm start, death rates in Sweden rose to among the worst in Europe.
 

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What province is that in? Quebec or Ontario.
There is only so much shit the government can do. Look at the Americans in WW2, their industry started to ramp up a few years in advance of 1941 declaration of war.
Now you have to plan something where you have separate people and give them PPE and train them. It takes time.
Ever watch zombie movies, there is always one dumb asshole that makes it out of quarintine and spread the disease....
Also most health care system is limited by the people they have in it. Can't train a doctor in 6 months etc same for nurse, same for any type of medical worker. And the average person won't go into a place where they think covid is (and that is the main problem). Look at all those old folks home where the staff just quit.....

Sure the government can move mountains, but it will impinge on your charter of rights and freedoms....
 

masterblaster

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I just have to make this thought out loud and clear. These new restrictions are a perfect example of how flawed and fraud this pandemic really is, these dystopian rules that wont allow even family members into a different household or you can face up to a $3000 fine, same with dining with friends who do not live in the same district... Yet, massage parlors on kingsway and everywhere else can continue to run their business without a single complaint? you think a fucking condom and mask are going to stop you from catching anything? there are reasons why Thailand of all places has like zero cases and deaths and are ready to open to tourism again and why Sweden has no problem with a rise in cases/deaths.

This is not a message against any of their services, but, rather at lack of community support for business' that actually do matter and turning heads where they don't matter. This is a testament to how ill-prepared and how terribly our resources were allocated during this pandemic. We had 8 months to figure out where to pop up hospice services and beds for anticipated covid patients, instead we sat back while they predicted the second wave and now we have might have to lockdown AGAIN because liberal govvernment did absolutely nothing. The western medicine system is also to blame since 44% of Americans are stuck on the healthcare system with at least one pre-existing condition, Canada is not much better.
I think we should go back to witch doctors myself.
 

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This is not a message against any of their services, but, rather at lack of community support for business' that actually do matter and turning heads where they don't matter. This is a testament to how ill-prepared and how terribly our resources were allocated during this pandemic. We had 8 months to figure out where to pop up hospice services and beds for anticipated covid patients, instead we sat back while they predicted the second wave and now we have might have to lockdown AGAIN because liberal govvernment did absolutely nothing. The western medicine system is also to blame since 44% of Americans are stuck on the healthcare system with at least one pre-existing condition, Canada is not much better.
Not sure if you know how medical services are provisioned in Canada, but it's mostly a provincial responsibility. Federal government (Liberals) provides expertise and funding, but the details are left up to provincial authorities.

That's why the response is so different across provinces - cutbacks (!) in Alberta, lockdowns out East, and "be kind, be safe" in BC. Even the lockdown rules are decided locally, not in Ottawa.
 
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westwoody

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Feds have given millions to AB and ON. Kenney and Ford are sitting on the cash instead of spending it. The provinces need to be completely bypassed.
 

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Feds have given millions to AB and ON. Kenney and Ford are sitting on the cash instead of spending it. The provinces need to be completely bypassed.
Not going to happen because of constitutional responsibility is provincial.
MB also sit on cash which pC government not spending we are worst in Canada today.
 
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Vondong1

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Steverino, I dont take anything back from sweden, that article you posted is 3 months old. Look at the Google count for Swedens Cases vs Deaths. Sharp rise in cases, not even a spike in deaths.
 

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Sweden is hardly a country to emulate. Death rate/1M population is running @ 660 (not far behind US @ 821), more than twice that of Canada @ 317.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
I have a good friend who lives in Thailand (Deaths per million: 0.9.) and mask wearing is widespread. Life is mostly back to normal, except for social distancing measures and tourism.

In Missouri, 2 hairstylists tested positive and exposed 139 clients to the virus. But mask wearing on both sides prevented any infection.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e2.htm
So yes, mask wearing is an effective way to stop the virus. Not 100% proof, but good enough.
 
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Sweden is hardly a country to emulate. Death rate/1M population is running @ 660 (not far behind US @ 821), more than twice that of Canada @ 317.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
I have a good friend who lives in Thailand (Deaths per million: 0.9.) and mask wearing is widespread. Life is mostly back to normal, except for social distancing measures and tourism.



So yes, mask wearing is an effective way to stop the virus. Not 100% proof, but good enough.
Sweden, hardly, really?

how about Quebec?

less people than Sweden, less cases confirmed, more deaths,

plus lockdowns, mask bylaws

Trudeau/Canada has nothing to brag about, unless you use the even more incompetent Trump as a yardstick

comparing one pile of shit to another, that's just sad, lol



and as for Thailand, wide spread use

go to youtube, plenty of videos, now, earlier in the year of people without masks out and about during nightlife

if masks were an effective "way" then many places around the world should have beaten the virus by now

there was a reason why they didn't push them in the beginning

it's 5 or 6th down the list of things you should be doing

but instead, the public with IQ's that would elect Trump and Trudeau, think that's all they need to do, ignoring the real things that truly do help


remember being told if everyone, 70-80% wore masks in public, we'd have this under control, they've gotten worse in Canada since most places put bylaws in place

you think you don't have that % in Canada's big cities, where the majority of cases are? lol

what excuse are they going to use when the vaccines don't crush the spread

quarantining those that test positive is the solution, look at what Taiwan did, still is doing

but that would require our lazy incompetent "experts" gov't to step up
 
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