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Rex456

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I've got a decent amount of money put away (windfall from previous investment) and I'm giving serious thought to purchasing a condo as an investment and secondary income generator. Three main reasons I have are:

1. Operate it as an Airbnb pad, for income generation to cover associated costs and take whatever profit is left.
2. With the above, it won't always be in use, so using it as a remote office location.
3. Using it as a pad for future fun times. Thinking seriously of going the sugar baby route, as the SP market here is abysmal.

Interested to hear thoughts and experiences of others who've gone down this road.

Thanks.
 

Rex456

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Good point. Don't want the YOLO party crowd showing up every weekend, when the pensioners in the building just want to watch their curling and listen to Ratboy Pierre's latest scheme on how he's going to save them.

Plan would be to choose the building strategically, so it there's already units operating as Airbnb's that would be a plus.
 

vanperb

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Buy a live/work condo and rent it to an SP! We need that shit so bad right now
Did the math for this a while ago. I would have to charge quite a bit more than SPs would be willing to fork out in order to just cover the pad. Doesn't include utilities, niceties, or insurance. Unless I'm just going to bank on breaking even on the equity when I sell.
 
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News the last couple days has licensing cost for short term rentals up by 800%. Needs to be in the budget ...
 
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I was chatting with my financial adviser the other day and the subject of interest rates and mortgages came up. The numbers are ugly.

Two years ago if you were paying 3% on a $750K loan your monthly payments were $3500. If you didn’t lock in, today at the posted rate of 6.3% your monthly payments are $4928.

On top of that you’ve got condo fees of $500 a month, plus cleaning $75 per AirBnB stay and now you’re up to $6000 a month.

If you buy in Vancouver you are not permitted to do short-term rentals if it is not your principal residence and the unit can be rented monthly. Plus you have to deal with managing unruly AirBNB party people damaging your property. And dealing with the strata council, which can be a shit show.

Unless it’s a long game why bother with all that grief. Find a stable/aggressive mutual fund and get 8-10% compounded without the grief.

My 2 cents
 

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Did the math for this a while ago. I would have to charge quite a bit more than SPs would be willing to fork out in order to just cover the pad. Doesn't include utilities, niceties, or insurance. Unless I'm just going to bank on breaking even on the equity when I sell.
renting out a condo to an SP or group of SPs for like 3k a month wouldn’t cover mortgage payments?
 

vanperb

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renting out a condo to an SP or group of SPs for like 3k a month wouldn’t cover mortgage payments?
Maybe my info is wrong. What are the hourly incall rates for downtown Vancouver right now? Or Burnaby? Or New West?
 

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The math is getting more and more abysmal ....
IF you bought your 750K condo and had the 20% to put down you might be able to get a mortgage but if your mortgager sees it is a rental you may need to buck up more as a downpayment, up to 50%.
But if it was a 20% downpayment you are looking at over $4K a month to cover your mortgage. $500 a month is probably a good guess for strata fees. Insurance? Guessing but around $1200 maybe more a year?
So the cost is going to be in the $4600 a month range pretty barebones.
Latest has average rents in the GVRD at $3K/4K for a 1BR/2BR place.
Abysmal is putting it lightly.
 

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I was chatting with my financial adviser the other day and the subject of interest rates and mortgages came up. The numbers are ugly.

Two years ago if you were paying 3% on a $750K loan your monthly payments were $3500. If you didn’t lock in, today at the posted rate of 6.3% your monthly payments are $4928.

On top of that you’ve got condo fees of $500 a month, plus cleaning $75 per AirBnB stay and now you’re up to $6000 a month.

If you buy in Vancouver you are not permitted to do short-term rentals if it is not your principal residence and the unit can be rented monthly. Plus you have to deal with managing unruly AirBNB party people damaging your property. And dealing with the strata council, which can be a shit show.

Unless it’s a long game why bother with all that grief. Find a stable/aggressive mutual fund and get 8-10% compounded without the grief.

My 2 cents
Your numbers are pretty much correct on a hypothetical loan amount of 750K w/ 6.3% mortgage rate and yes some condos are $500 p/mnth when purchasing a place that is 950K with 20% down to make the 750K loan amount. Right now in the down town core there are forty five 1 bdrm listings under 600K with strata fees 330-450 p/mnth. 600K purchase w/ 20% down is 480K loan amount at 6.3% is $3,100 +400 strata fee+ avrg $100 taxes p/month you are at $3500. The cleaning fee is usually paid by the Air BnB guest.

As an investor myself I keep a close tab on the 29 buildings in Vancouvers Downtown that are Air BnB "Friendly". A lot of these have a majority investor members on the council, so the rules are still followed yet relaxed.
Right now the going STR rate for a 1 bdrm is $280-400 p/ night so even if your rented it for 20 nights per month for $300 thats $6,000. During the summer months the price goes up but you will have some slower parts of the rest of the year so $300 is a good average. The other 10days your are a resident stopping in, picking up mail. in and out of your place, hobbies/pleasure...
There is some genuine opportunity buying investments in a high rate environment that is creating alot of downward pressure on prices. In a couple of years we anticipate to see rates start to ease and come back to something a bit more comfortable in the high 3's and 4's. And when that happens prices will really take off again. Whoever decided to invest now will realize a definite upswing in value appreciation then.
I have two passions, Real Estate and this Hobby. It's an amazing thing when you can get both to start working for you.
 

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I've got a decent amount of money put away (windfall from previous investment) and I'm giving serious thought to purchasing a condo as an investment and secondary income generator. Three main reasons I have are:

1. Operate it as an Airbnb pad, for income generation to cover associated costs and take whatever profit is left.
2. With the above, it won't always be in use, so using it as a remote office location.
3. Using it as a pad for future fun times. Thinking seriously of going the sugar baby route, as the SP market here is abysmal.

Interested to hear thoughts and experiences of others who've gone down this road.

Thanks.
Vancouver or Victoria or elsewhere in BC?
 

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Just go onto a mortgage calculator and plug some numbers in yourself.
IE...for example I plugged some numbers in to give you an idea. If you bought a condo for $800k and had a 40% downpayment ( $320,000 down) ---- a 5% interest rate with a 25 year amortization period. Your monthly mortgage would be $2792.
That's just your mortgage payment. Then on top of your mortgage...you tack on strata fees, insurance and your utilities. The end result would probably be close to $4000 a month or maybe more. That's with a 40% downpayment!!

Unless you had a 70% downpayment on the condo. $3000 a month rental for an SP incall would not even be close to cover costs.

That's the type of fucked up economy we're now living in. I'm so glad my high-rise condo is pretty much paid off.
 
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vanperb

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renting out a condo to an SP or group of SPs for like 3k a month wouldn’t cover mortgage payments?
Just go onto a mortgage calculator and plug some numbers in yourself.
IE...for example I plugged some numbers in to give you an idea. If you bought a condo for $800k and had a 40% downpayment ( $320,000 down) ---- a 5% interest rate with a 25 year amortization period. Your monthly mortgage would be $2792.
That's just your mortgage payment. Then on top of your mortgage...you tack on strata fees, insurance and your utilities. The end result would probably be close to $4000 a month or maybe more. That's with a 40% downpayment!!

Unless you had a 70% downpayment on the condo. $3000 a month rental for an SP incall would not even be close to cover costs.

That's the type of fucked up economy we're now living in. I'm so glad my high-rise condo is pretty much paid off.
320k on hand for a down? We definitely live in different worlds. 😲
 

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Unless it’s a long game why bother with all that grief. Find a stable/aggressive mutual fund and get 8-10% compounded without the grief.

My 2 cents
No investment experience yet, but would 8-10% be enough with the fees?
"Common mutual fund shareholder fees:
  • Sales charge or load
  • Deferred sales charge or load
  • Redemption fee
  • Exchange fee
  • Account fee
  • Purchase fee
In addition, there are several fees associated with an annual fund’s operating expenses. These include management fees, distribution and/or service fees, and so on."

Some helpful reading.
https://www.securities-administrators.ca/investor-tools/
 

Rex456

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Appreciate all of the responses here and in the DMs; there's a lot of food for thought. The idea @ExpCharlee has, got me to thinking. There may be a use case to provide an incall space for SPs, outside of an Airbnb model or long term renter agreement. I still need to flesh out the idea and try and poke holes in it, but I've got a twinkle in my eye!
 

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The last thing I would do right now is invest in a condo in Vancouver. However aside from that it’s hard to give you solid guidance without knowing your amount of ‘windfall’.

That being said if you were savvy enough to make it happen why move away from what you know to what you don’t?

If you have 300k I’m not letting that touch the market or real estate until some clearer directions with Canadian economy are seen. Recession is coming IMHO as there are many indicators. I’d slap that in laddered GICs for a bit and see what happens for a the next 18 months.
 
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