Condi Rice will fail

[gravitas]

I don't see what the problem is ... every Lebenese with a fake
Canadian passport is getting a free trip to Canada courtesay
of our version of 'chimps make great leaders' Harper ...

to add insult to injury, once they get here they get
free accommodation, money to spend on trinkets,
and a medical check-up to boot!

ain't Canada grand!?!?!

I'm pissed off beyond words at the whole evacuation......in liberal like style harper has acquiesced to the vocal minority to develop government policy. The people in Lebanon were there by their own choice and I fail to see why its up to another country that they happen to have a citizenship of convenience to come and get them. If you go to a dangerous part of the world and then want out pay for it yourself.

Government lunacy aside I'm more grizzed at the ones being helped. For fuck sake if someone is helping you get out of a war zone don't bitch and moan over things like a hotel room being too warm or cramped or a ship's bathroom being dirty. If the conditions are so fucking bad then piss off and head back Beruit.


Bill Richardson is the guy for the job and not CR

 

[Sonny]

This has and will go on forever or, well, until Iran nukes Israel.

First off, I am none of Jew, Christian or Muslim.

One day it will end, either well or very badly.

IMO, it is more likely that Israel will nuke Iran before Iran nukes Israel. Or maybe, there will be a repeat of the Israel air-strike take-out of Iran nuclear capability several years ago.

Surely life in Israel is going to get much worse, surrounded by ever more militant enemies who are becoming more ready to use whatever means of force/terror they can more often without caring much about the reprisal. Unlike the wall between the Jews and the Palestinians Israel is building, there cannot be such a wall built around all of Israel, not that it would stop rockets or soon-to-come missles from striking anyway.

It is a terrible situation with people thinking very wrongly. Israeli Zionism and the "chosen people" and their "God-given land" belief versus the extremist Islamic tenet that all those who do not believe in the Koran are to be removed from the face of the earth, either by death or conversion. http://www.nowscape.com/islam/koran_sura.htm .

Not much room for middle ground and very faint hope, when generations of Muslims (particularly within that, Arabs) are born into hatred for Israel and Western societies and when generations of Jews continue to subjugate the Palestinians.

And, is it just my impression, or do not Fundamentalist "Christians" seem to rely more on the "eye-for-an-eye" Old Testament of the Bible, where God is wrathful and is to be feared, rather than the New Testament which contains Jesus' message of Love, Forgiveness and Brotherhood, and where God is loving and is to be loved.

The moderates on both sides do not seem to be having much success in constraining the extremist elements.

 

[wilde]

IMO, it is more likely that Israel will nuke Iran before Iran nukes Israel. Or maybe, there will be a repeat of the Israel air-strike take-out of Iran nuclear capability several years ago.

Nobody is going to nuke anybody until the oil starts to dry up in the middle East. Sad but probably true.


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[Sonny]

Nobody is going to nuke anybody until the oil starts to dry up in the middle East. Sad but probably true.

Perhaps, if one relies on folks being "rational" in a perverted way... but there are enough nut-cases for whom the emotional overload may be too much. If whoever has their proverbial back against the proverbial wall, who knows?

 

[hornyitalian06]

Condi Rice Will Fail

Condi Rice will fail unless other countries like Canada, Britain, Europe, Russia and China can not agree together and come up with a permanent solution to this problem in the Middle East .
Too many innocent people, soldiers in both countries are killed everday and it doesn't appear to be an urgent matter for any the countries watching what is happening between Isarel and Lebanon .
This a serious problem and we must stop this killing here before it starts spreading to other regions in the world.

 

[Rod Steel]

This has all been said before

This has been going on since the state of Israel was formed in 1948. The Arabs are determined to destroy Israel and Israel with US support won't sit by too let it happen.
I'm not anti muslim or anti zionist but this problem has not been solved by the UN in the nearly 60 years Israel has existed. This has included several instances of UN intervention. Hezbollah has disregarded / ignored the UN resolution #1559 requiring it to disarm. The rest of the world seems to have overlooked that fact. Israel has decided enough is enough and will solve the problem on its own. Its unfortunate that innocent peopl are paying the ultimate price on both sides but a lot of it is due to Hezbollah hiding its assets in civilian arreas.

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

The entire middle east can fuckin' lick me.

Quite frankly, I'm tired of the endless barrage of bullshit coming from that part of the world. Whether or not Condi fails makes absolutely no difference to me. Probably makes no difference to her either. Shes just doin' what she's told. Somebody throw the girl a biscuit!

 

[The Lizard King]

This a serious problem and we must stop this killing here before it starts spreading to other regions in the world.

As long as it doesn't happen here, why the fuck should I care? The world is already over populated with a large percentage of useless fucking people so kill away. Besides, it's the only reality show on the tube worth watching.

 

[wilde]

It will definitely fail now.....

Canadian among four UN observers killed in Israeli air strike

Steven Edwards, Matthew Fisher and Aileen McCabe, CanWest News Service
Published: Tuesday, July 25, 2006
UNITED NATIONS — An Israeli air strike Tuesday killed four United Nations military observers — one of them Canadian — in what UN Secretary General Kofi Annan called an "apparently deliberate" attack.

The four died when a bomb hit their post in Khiam, southern Lebanon.

UN officials said the post was clearly marked and that the Israelis were aware of its location.

"I am shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defence Forces," Annan said in an unusually strong statement. "The co-ordinated artillery and aerial attack on a long established and clearly marked UN post ... occurred despite personal assurances given to me by (Israeli) Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that UN positions would be spared Israeli fire."

The other dead observers were from Austria, China and Finland. All four were members of the UN's Truce Supervision Organization....................

 

[Ray]

Or maybe, there will be a repeat of the Israel air-strike take-out of Iran nuclear capability several years ago.

It wasn't Iran's nuclear facility that was taken out by Israel, but the Osirik reactor in Iraq. It also wasn't several years ago, but 25 years ago.

Iran has learned from that, and it's facilities are spread out and heavily fortified. They will also react to any attack by launching their long range ballistic missiles.

Hezbollah has disregarded / ignored the UN resolution #1559 requiring it to disarm.

Israel as also ignored the last 65 resolutions passed against it. Don't expect anything to get resolved by the UN. They're as ineffective in resolving conflicts as it's predecessor, the 'League of Nations'.

This is a region where 'might makes right' has been utilized to resolve conflicts for the last few thousand years.
A further reason that negotiations can't be used to resolve conflicts in this region is because 'Allah/Jehovah/Jesus/Whoever' commands their adherents to not submit or surrender to the other, so to compromise is to betray your faith.

So Condi walking in to dictate the terms set by Israel is a no starter, and won't be taken seriously by Hezbollah or the Lebanese people.

 

[hornyitalian06]

It wasn't Iran's nuclear facility that was taken out by Israel, but the Osirik reactor in Iraq. It also wasn't several years ago, but 25 years ago.

Iran has learned from that, and it's facilities are spread out and heavily fortified. They will also react to any attack by launching their long range ballistic missiles.



Israel as also ignored the last 65 resolutions passed against it. Don't expect anything to get resolved by the UN. They're as ineffective in resolving conflicts as it's predecessor, the 'League of Nations'.

This is a region where 'might makes right' has been utilized to resolve conflicts for the last few thousand years.
A further reason that negotiations can't be used to resolve conflicts in this region is because 'Allah/Jehovah/Jesus/Whoever' commands their adherents to not submit or surrender to the other, so to compromise is to betray your faith.

So Condi walking in to dictate the terms set by Israel is a no starter, and won't be taken seriously by Hezbollah or the Lebanese people.

Just because the conflict has been going on for thousands of years should not mean we just sit and watch the killing of innocent people in both countries. We as individuals can make a difference maybe small but true.

 

[Sonny]

It wasn't Iran's nuclear facility that was taken out by Israel, but the Osirik reactor in Iraq. It also wasn't several years ago, but 25 years ago.

My error and my apologies. And just where did the last 25 years go... seems like yesterday.... is that because the story in the Middle East hasn't changed much?

This is a region where 'might makes right' has been utilized to resolve conflicts for the last few thousand years.

Didn't Mao write in his little red book that "Power comes from the end of a gun"? Of course, the guns have evolved a lot into precision bombs.

 

[The Lizard King]

Just because the conflict has been going on for thousands of years should not mean we just sit and watch the killing of innocent people in both countries. We as individuals can make a difference maybe small but true.

OKAY EVERYBODY, LET'S HAVE A LITTLE SING ALONG! AFTER ME NOW....

Next time you’re found with your chin on the ground
There a lot to be learned, so look around

Just what makes that little old ant
Think he'll move that rubber tree plant
Anyone knows an ant can't
Move a rubber tree plant

But he's got high hopes, he's got high hopes
He's got high apple pie in the sky hopes

So any time your gettin' low
'stead of lettin' go
Just remember that ant
Oops there goes another rubber tree plant

When troubles call, and your back's to the wall
There a lot to be learned, that wall could fall

Once there was a silly old ram
Thought he'd punch a hole in a dam
No one could make that ram, scram
He kept buttin' that dam

‘cause he had high hopes, he had high hopes
He had high apple pie, in the sky hopes

So any time you’re feelin' bad
'stead of feelin' sad
Just remember that ram
Oops there goes a billion kilowatt dam

All problems just a toy balloon
They'll be bursted soon
They're just bound to go pop
Oops there goes another problem kerplop........

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

... is that because the story in the Middle East hasn't changed much?

It is exactly that.
The funniest part of this latest chapter is the American role though. They pledge millions in aid support for Lebanon, while simultaneously continuing to supply weaponry to Israel to further its destruction.

 

[hornyitalian06]

I guess there is no hope . It appears we should just sit watch both sides kill one another . There must be a solution to this conflict .

 

[gravitas]

They pledge millions in aid support

My suggestion is no more foreign aid for anyone.

Quite frankly, I'm tired of the endless barrage of bullshit coming from that part of the world.

Agreed, fuck them and their oil. Buy your gas from Alberta....we need the money

UN's Truce Supervision Organization

While their deaths are tragic don't know what the hell the UN's doing there. They're a useless organization and have no clout there or anywhere else.

We as individuals can make a difference maybe small but true.

And what would you suggest we all do?


G

p.s. out of respect for fuzzy I haven't included my sig with this post

 

[sdw]

The only thing that would work is to build a really big fence. About a mile high may do it.

There could be an international effort to design and build the thing completely around Israel.

 

[luv-em-n-lv-em]

Or bury southern Lebanon in quick drying concrete. About 6 feet should do it.

Let the Hezbollah in their bunkers deal with that!

Halliburton could probably do that for a few hundred billion (in an untendered contract of course), so this idea should have the co-president's support.

 

[Avery]

The only thing that would work is to build a really big fence. About a mile high may do it.

There could be an international effort to design and build the thing completely around Israel.

Yep! Fences are an extremely effective defence against rockets.

 

[CJ Tylers]

Re: Lebanese with Canadian passports

Honestly, Canada *should* work to allow residents of war torn countries to make a new start here. We have a dwindling populace that requires immigration to grow. Educate them and get them on their feet...then they can pay taxes just like everyone else.

In the mean time, Canada retains its image as a neutral, if not benevolent, country. Also, one would hope, we would gain a larger populace of people willing to become involved in world conflict resolution, as they would have a personal involvement with the issue.

If people of Lebanese decent were speaking for Canada, working towards peace... don't you think it might strike more of a chord with the lebanese populace than some rich white westerners lecturing them on appropriate behavior?

meh... I guess that's how it would be in an ideal world :|