Comment about Services and Reviews

[Papa Chongo]

I had a thought and wanted to make a comment

I have written many reviews, not as many as some, but more than most...

When I have described a Ladies services I would never add in my review that she did something outside of her comfort zone, for example

I have been with many SP's that list no CIM, or don't even list CIM, yet It has happened and I consider it one of those YMMV things, I would never "out" her in my review. I have gotten DFK from ladies that specifically say they do not offer it, and would never suggest to any fellow pooner that he would get the same teatment.

I am wondering how everyone else feels about this, and wanted to start a conversation.

 

[Robert Upndown]

I agree. The "exact" details of an encounter should be kept between the participants. I think in many cases it is a YMMV thing, chemistry or sometimes just the heat of the moment. To put in a review services rendered that are not advertised puts the SP in a very awkward position. If you had fun with the lady, say so. But, I do not think a review needs to contain every detail.

 

[*emmanuelle]

I have gotten DFK from ladies that specifically say they do not offer it, and would never suggest to any fellow pooner that he would get the same teatment.

You kind of just did though

It's possible that some "off the menu" services (like DFK) might happen behind consenting closed doors, but I think it's always up to girl to instigate / offer it, since she is the one with the restrictions.

 

[Papa Chongo]

You kind of just did though

DID NOT! nuff said

 

[Holly Taylor]

I think your approach is the best one.

If some additional services are freely given in an individual encounter, then mentioning them in a review will only lead everyone to expect those services, and this could cause an enormous hassle for the provider in question. A potential client should make his decision to see a companion based on the services that she guarantees to be available.

I think that reviews should really only address these basic points:

-Did she provide (or make available) the services that she advertised?
-Did she perform those services well?
-Were her photos accurate?
-Was her incall location clean?
-Was she ready on time?
-Did you have a nice time?
-Would you see her again, or recommend her to others?

 

[violetblake]

I think that reviews should really only address these basic points:

-Did she provide (or make available) the services that she advertised?
-Did she perform those services well?
-Were her photos accurate?
-Was her incall location clean?
-Was she ready on time?
-Did you have a nice time?
-Would you see her again, or recommend her to others?

Well said! If an SP did something special for you that she doesn't do for everyone, and if you tell everyone she does it (whether or not you put YMMV next to it, that makes no difference, you've still told everyone), then she'll either have to do it for everyone or no one, and she's probably going to opt for no one. Plus it's just a respect thing. She trusted and respected you enough to go that extra mile, you should respect her.

The purpose of reviews is really to tell other pooners whether an SP is good or not. That's it. So some detail is fine, but many girls feel uncomfortable having every detail of her actions and her body written out for everyone to see. Sure, you could say it's part of the job, but there is a line where there's just too much unnecessary detail that is not going to make the difference as to whether other pooners see her or not, but might make the girl feel a bit uncomfortable. We are still people afterall, lol.

 

[Dgodus]

This is one reason I don't even bother writing up reviews. The main reason being it's my private life, and if the provider already has reviews I don't need to pile on.

 

[Holly Taylor]

This is one reason I don't even bother writing up reviews. The main reason being it's my private life, and if the provider already has reviews I don't need to pile on.

That's definitely a legitimate feeling if a provider already has, say, 10+ reviews in the year you saw her.

If she has previously been reviewed, but the reviews are from years ago, or even last year, then an update could be in order. For example, I haven't had a review on TER since 2009. I imagine some gents would be a little skeptical about seeing me if that's all they had to go on! (A lot of American rely solely upon TER, and don't bother checking out local boards like PERB)

 

[sensualsixty]

Holly makes a good point about the need for current reviews. I saw a provider a while ago, and was disappointed because she no longer looked like her website photos. Both appearances, services and attitude can change with time, so update the reviews, please.

sensualsixty

 

[Avery]

When I have described a Ladies services I would never add in my review that she did something outside of her comfort zone, for example I have been with many SP's that list no CIM, or don't even list CIM, yet It has happened and I consider it one of those YMMV things, I would never "out" her in my review. I have gotten DFK from ladies that specifically say they do not offer it, and would never suggest to any fellow pooner that he would get the same teatment.

I am wondering how everyone else feels about this, and wanted to start a conversation.

I write pretty detailed reviews, but I never mention activities the ladies say they don't provide. I don't mention CIM at all, unless the lady advertises it, or unless it's already well known that she provides it; likewise for BBBJ. However, I sometimes share this info via PM with a few other pooners that I can trust not to blab (there aren't many I trust). As for DFK, I don't knowingly see ladies who don't offer it, so I nearly always mention it in my reviews.

This is one reason I don't even bother writing up reviews. The main reason being it's my private life, and if the provider already has reviews I don't need to pile on.

It's not piling on to post another review of a lady. Everyone's experience is a little different. Also, it takes several good reviews to offset one bad or so-so review, so it's not at all redundant to add to a lady's review portfolio. Exprienced pooners base their decisions on the preponderance of a lady's reviews, not just one. Besides, if you're benefitting from other pooners' reviews, you should return the favours by posting your own reviews.

 

[Dgodus]

It's not piling on to post another review of a lady. Everyone's experience is a little different. Also, it takes several good reviews to offset one bad or so-so review, so it's not at all redundant to add to a lady's review portfolio. Exprienced pooners base their decisions on the preponderance of a lady's reviews, not just one. Besides, if you're benefitting from other pooners' reviews, you should return the favours by posting your own reviews.

Well there in lies the crux. I dont base decisions on reviews,ever; even if I read one about a certain provider it's after I've already booked. However should someone ask about someone I have knowledge of, I will answer.

A good way to look at "extras" from an sp is demonstrated by a fellow I worked with would run his mouth (bragging) that we were getting paid even when we missed a day (was a cost+ job so our boss was getting paid by us just being there, he didn't have to foot the bill for material or have a deadline to meet). It got back to certain people and that practice got shut down pretty quickly. So if you want to talk about the non regular services you received from a provider, not only may she stop giving those services to you, but also completly shut it down to doing for anyone.

People seeming to "brag" about the extras they may or may not have received (I've been told some reviews can be a tad "embellished" - wether intentionally or not is a different story) is a reason I dislike even reading reviews. Just smile, enjoy what you've been given and say "thank you". Besides some things are better as secrets, dont you think

 

[Avery]

I think if something is listed as a restriction, ie "No CIM", then it should be no, never, none for everyone. Because if some people get it and some don't then it becomes a situation where people think "no means maybe" as opposed to "no means no". There needs to be certainty. I know one lady that mentioned she lists greek as a restriction and she still gets tonnes of e-mails and requests for greek with even some clients trying "surprise greek" her. No should me a no.

Besides, pretty much everyone who has been involved in this for a while should know that pretty much all services are YMMV. If it is a special service that is optional, I think the lady should just remain silent on it and it will be at the lady's discretion. Or she can purely list it is at her discretion.

Your second paragraph is in conflict with the first. The reason so many pooners still request services listed as a restriction is because many SPs list restrictions so that they can decline them for any reason when they see the client. I have received BBBJ from many SPs who swear up and down that they don't provide it. They just don't provide it to everyone. That's the reality. I wouldn't mention it in a review, though.

And my opinion on reviews, if a lady wants a specific format for reviews, then she should list it on her website. Or at least list that she is only willing to be reviewed if they are classy. Or even ask to review and approve all reviews.

You're kidding, right? No serious reviewer would ever submit a review for approval by an SP he's seen. That would compromise whatever integrity there is in the process of writing reviews. If a pooner ever posted a review that was approved by the SP in question, at the very least, he should disclose it in his review.

I have been a reviewer for many years, and on two occasions, ladies agreed to see me only if I promised to not post reviews on our encounters. I accepted that condition and respected their wishes. The noteworthy point is that they made this request before seeing me, not after. BTW, both ladies were wonderful and provided BBBJTCIM. As for requests re reviews after the session, I would only agree not to mention having received services the lady claims not to provide or that have never been mentioned in previous reviews.

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

Hmmm, so where does truth in reviewing come into play then for others to decide if they would actually
like to see a woman/SP based on his or others reviews?

What the hell is the point of reviewing then if there's going to be so much "secrecy"?

An SP is a business woman is she not? Therefore IMO she should as a business person
relegate what she offers and what she does not. With a "simple" disclaimer on her ad that
YES..........YMMV. If she feels it neccesary to diclose that ymmv is she "likes" you.

If she's not comfortable with giving extra services to people she finds she is more
comfortable with then I would think she should stick to a strict game plan to avoid
the dreaded "review" that let it slip out that she gave blow joe something that the other
blow joe did not recieve so to speak. Just to keep in line with discretion
and all that and avoid possible review conflict.
To me that's good business.

Also for you fellow pooners who do receive "special" treatment that does happen to some
and to some it does not. This is the importance of offering discript truthful reviews.
Just because you got it and Jo Blow "pardon the pun" did not get it definalely means
the possibility is there. Again YMMV

So if you do receive it and others don't. Don't be choked because the lady was not willing
to provide it to you.

Point being if the SP is going to provide it to you and you review that you got "special treatment"
so be it. That's what makes truthfull reviewing so important.
But to post false reviews that you recieved something but didn't point it out.
What's the point in reveiwing?

I agree with the other posters point that if a gal only gives out services at her discretion
being what she is comfortable with then that should be made clear by her and/or
the reviewer.
Instead of hiding the truth and pooners posting false reviews in the sense of negating
certain services he recieved. You know what I'm saying?
Let's make it clear that if the SP does offer a certain service to you it may not be available
to another client who comes in to see her like the unshaven, smelling like he just got out of the
beer hall type client, etc.

To me this is simply false advertising on the SP's part.

Oh btw, Miss Taylor you were fantastic when I saw you a few years back.
I still remember you honey and you were everything you said you would be in your
advertising. Did a review of you here too if I'm not mistaken. You were a lovely
gal and hope you're doing fine honey!

Now that was truth in advertising and I respect you for that.
Maybe we can meet again one day. Kisses Hun!



Cheers all and just wanted to give my two cents worth on the subject.






...................QM'r

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

As for reviews, I was referring to an SP's perspective, if an SP wants something specific from a review, as we have had a few in this thread that set out their requirements, she should list it. If she wants to see it first, why not? She's going to see it anyways and if she wants she can just have it deleted off this board if she doesn't like it. .

That in itself is what's so fucked up about this board
NO straight up reviews if they are negative when involving paid advertisers.
NOT all but yes to many.

I mean this is so obvious nowadays here it's suprising they haven't changed anything
to help increase their business other than deleting negative reviews so pooners don't see them.
But guess what, before they are locked down or deleted pooners do see those
negative reviews. Time to change the business philosophy ladies before it becomes even more
of an epidemic.

God do you really think people are that stupid that deleting negative reviews are going to keep
your business unblemished for you?
Give your head a shake! They see negative reviews deleted all the time.

Just usher in good business practises with your clients and guess what?
More positive reviews generate more busines. Who would have ever though? "rolleyes"

Deleting negative reviews is not the answer. Maybe change the business practices
so no more negative reviews show up?

Hmmmm, sounds like a good idea say wat?




.................QM'r

 

[Avery]

Both paragraphs are not in conflict, if something is a restriction then it should be no for everyone, if something is listed as a service then it's YMMV still.

In the first paragraph, you said that there needs to be certainty. In the second, you said (correctly) that YMMV always applies. Certainty and YMMV are in conflict.

If your cock smells like 18 year old cheese then you will probably be denied a bbbj even if bbbj is listed.

Exactly! That's one reason why many ladies who routinely provide BBBJ only advertise CBJ and don't admit publicly that they usually provide BBBJ. That way, they won't have a pissed off client who expected it. Also, I'm not naive enough to think that if I receive BBBJ from a lady who doesn't advertise it, it's because I'm so special. It's much more likely that it's because she provides it to all clients except those wth hygiene or behavioural issues.

As for reviews, I was referring to an SP's perspective, if an SP wants something specific from a review, as we have had a few in this thread that set out their requirements, she should list it. If she wants to see it first, why not? She's going to see it anyways and if she wants she can just have it deleted off this board if she doesn't like it.

OOOOOHH!! The mods may have something to say about that one.

I also think it's amusing that this thread has turned into clients bragging about how they get off the menu items and how it makes them special...

No, the point was that many ladies who request no reviews up front do so because they provide crappy service. In the two cases I mentioned, the opposite was true. Besides, they had no menus because they never advertised specific services.

 

[Dgodus]

And about the bragging and all the gentleman here they casually are suggesting they get restricted services, well you have just essentially outed the ladies that you have positively reviewed as girls that give something extra, so how is that any different than specifically stating receiving a restricted service in a review? Other than it makes it slightly harder to track down the girl that does do something extra...

That's quite a stretch.

 

[Sucre]

I am not much of a lounge guy, but you have identified a major fault with perb.
Everyone knows many negative reviews of paid advertisers get deleted - that’s bad enough, but not entirely smart business, as the credibility of good reviews is damaged.

I agree with Quarter Mile'r, far better for SP to compile a series of good reviews, than delete the odd negative ones. Perhaps a rebuttal is in order but not argument. People get a reputation not by one review, but by a body of work. It would be a miracle if everyone liked the same lady, so they should realize a pooner worth seeing, is intelligent enough to read negative reviews with a grain of salt, just like positive ones and ignore the negative if the preponderance of reviews is positive. In fact I would go so far as to say, if I see no negative reviews I am more suspicious and discount the positive ones more than I would do otherwise.

But it is even worse for the pooner to fall into this conspiracy of inaccuracy. Omitting reviews, censoring the reviews by showing them to the Sp first, reading what she normally does, failure to review, omitting services are all inaccuracies and in some ways is a damaging as having reviews deleted,. I actually see the point of a sp in trying same, although misguided, but for a pooner, I see no excuse.

The point of a review board is to review what happened, not to censor. Ha, ha I got an extra but wont tell anybody. Are we children? So why would the next pooner tell you accurately? You fool him, he fool you !!!! pretty soon, there is no point in reading reviews. And ladies and white knights, don’t kid yourselves; once no one believes the reviews feeling there are too many deletions and omissions, the board stops becoming relevant and your advertising forum becomes worse less (or worthless) .

Please review and please review accurately. If I get less than the next guy by virtue of YMMV, great that means probably no chemistry and without chemistry I am unlikely to return anyway.

 

[TML4EVER]

I agree with Q.M and Sucre. " Accurate and Detailed " reviews are "fair game". Many things in life are ymmv, including life itself.

If a pooner hasn't figured that out by now ....you can't teach common sense and you can't fix stupid. However, i don't think that we

need to read a paragraph about a lady's bbbj, or how someone started with 2 fingers in her and finished with 8 and both thumbs in her ass.

 

[klamkracker]

Just for fun!

 

[steverino]

While I fundamentally agree with the OP regarding not mentioning extras that are not on the menu there is an issue of safety that is potentially problematic. A pooner may reasonably choose to see ladies who do not provide CIM because they are concerned about safety risks and whether valid or not finds that practice unsafe. If a lady specifically states in her ads that she does not offer it then the pooner might choose her on that basis. If she in fact does offer either as an extra charge or on a YMMV basis then her ad is misleading in a material way. I am not certain of the correct procedure here but it is not clear cut.