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Damaged · Mar 16, 2017

escapefromstress said:
I think Damaged and a few others are missing the little forum where they used to be able to criticize perb freely.

Are you trolling for drama?

I think the closing of threads because a Mod feels it's played out is one area I don't agree with. If it isn't filled with hateful posts then let it play out until it dies on it's own.

Closing a thread because guys were discussing the site Seeking arrangements is silly as well. There was no drama and I don't see how it is advertising since Staff from Seeking Arrangements wasn't positing nor was anyone "shilling it".

I do agree that being a Mod is a thankless job but then again they knew that before signing up. I would know as I have been a mod before.

I also think that Perb has improved over the last few years.

escapefromstress · Mar 16, 2017

Damaged said:
Are you trolling for drama?

I think the closing of threads because a Mod feels it's played out is one area I don't agree with. If it isn't filled with hateful posts then let it play out until it dies on it's own.

Closing a thread because guys were discussing the site Seeking arrangements is silly as well. There was no drama and I don't see how it is advertising since Staff from Seeking Arrangements wasn't positing nor was anyone "shilling it".

I do agree that being a Mod is a thankless job but then again they knew that before signing up. I would know as I have been a mod before.

I also think that Perb has improved over the last few years.

No, I'm not trolling for drama. Just reminiscing over some online history. I saw the post PerbMod made, graciously welcoming back those who found themselves without a home board when the one you were on closed down, and I hope you and the others appreciate that.

I've been a mod before too.

Damaged · Mar 16, 2017

escapefromstress said:
No, I'm not trolling for drama. Just reminiscing over some online history. I saw the post PerbMod made, graciously welcoming back those who found themselves without a home board when the one you were on closed down, and I hope you and the others appreciate that.

I've been a mod before too.

You really have an overly high opinion of yourself in this industry don't you? Like repeatedly "vouching" for someone. You also have your facts wrong. I was never kicked off perb nor have I even been banned for any period of time. I don't consider any board "my home". At different times I've been more active on various boards. Boards come and go like the seasons. I don't get too worked up about which one is gone today.

I was less active on Perb when I felt that it was being poorly managed and more active on other boards that I felt, at the time, were being better managed. Nothing more to it than that. Those boards are gone and now returning to Perb I do see that it is being managed better than it used to be, hence I'm more active.

So what is it I am supposed to appreciate? If you stopped frequenting a restaurant for a period of time and then decide to return do you appreciate that the restaurant allowed you to return?

escapefromstress · Mar 16, 2017

Damaged said:
You really have an overly high opinion of yourself in this industry don't you? Like repeatedly "vouching" for someone. You also have your facts wrong. I was never kicked off perb nor have I even been banned for any period of time. I don't consider any board "my home". At different times I've been more active on various boards. Boards come and go like the seasons. I don't get too worked up about which one is gone today.

I was less active on Perb when I felt that it was being poorly managed and more active on other boards that I felt, at the time, were being better managed. Nothing more to it than that. Those boards are gone and now returning to Perb I do see that it is being managed better than it used to be, hence I'm more active.

So what is it I am supposed to appreciate? If you stopped frequenting a restaurant for a period of time and then decide to return do you appreciate that the restaurant allowed you to return?

If you're referring to the fact that I'm probably the most influential woman in the Canadian review board industry right now, and have hundreds of thousands of people who read my posts and respect my experience and knowledge about the industry, then you'd be correct. But I don't remember bragging about any of that and I'm certainly not going to apologize for it.

I have no fight with you Damaged, other than being hurt by how you and others sat back and let me be treated like crap online elsewhere in the past. But I've already won that battle.

Have a nice day.

ddcanz · Mar 16, 2017

westwoody said:
Must be frustrating for the moderator to deal with the constant stream of posts whining about prices.

Holy fuck guys let it go already.

And we have a winner!
Couldn't fucking agree more, ww.

Warl0ck · Mar 16, 2017

rxwca said:
You still have to be locked in a room with Miss Hunter though.

I don't attend Miss Hunter's sessions and take no part in her business whatsoever. There have been cases where clients have asked if I could be part of "Domme" stuff and perhaps that will happen one day (when I appear in red you'll know). Now, as for the details of her work, some of the shit makes me wince. I'm not really into that whole thing myself though I do let Miss Hunter practice bondage, etc on me. Im not interested having my balls busted or licking her shoes while I wear this fucking dog mask with a collar on. Or, like last week when she decided she'd pinch my nipples and I nearly leaped out of bed in pain. She is a "Food Domme" to me though. My days of breakfast at McDonalds are done and over.

Har-Don · Mar 16, 2017

I have nothing against you efs but you say this...

escapefromstress said:
If you're referring to the fact that I'm probably the most influential woman in the Canadian review board industry right now, and have hundreds of thousands of people who read my posts and respect my experience and knowledge about the industry, then you'd be correct.

and then follow it up with this...

escapefromstress said:
But I don't remember bragging about any of that and I'm certainly not going to apologize for it.

...well that's just comedy gold!

escapefromstress · Mar 16, 2017

Har-Don said:
I have nothing against you efs but you say this...

and then follow it up with this...

...well that's just comedy gold!

Damaged was inferring I'd been bragging about myself all over the place, which isn't true. Today is the first time I've ever posted what you quoted above.

I can make a long list of things I've done for Fred's boards and the entire online industry.

Shall we compare resumes?

Here's one for you.

I was cyberbullied and no one seemed to know what to do about it. So I did some research, consulted with a lawyer and learned how to apply Internet Law to our online forums. I then posted this information on a dozen review boards across Canada, and as a result, almost every forum in Canada now operates much more responsibly because people understand the law.

I taught other people how to use Internet Law and they used the information I gave them to successfully take the old get some suga website offline. That board was famous across Canada for outing, harassing, defaming, threatening and extorting hundreds of SP's, clients, agency owners and review board owners - including Fred - for years.

Now I'm starting the legal process to get another corrupt industry forum offline.

What have you done for the industry lately?

sevenofnine · Mar 16, 2017

yes and no,

I was a shit disturber said what I want and don't give a dam, still do,
didn't feel at all protected by the mods,
which I don't feel the need to be protected, if you can't stand the heat or defend your rational, maybe your wrong or your thought processes are screwed up.
that is debate and the nature of public opinion,

but at the same times I felt a thread or a poster was protected, the thread was closed. like why defend, your thoughts, your actions your believes, or maybe just say what you want and move on, if your not in the mood for dabate or argument, or abused.

I think the point is missed, that when you post you reveal yourself, good and bad, let a hot head stupid idoit look like one, let the chips fall where they fall.

you don't have to read it, you don't have to respond to it.
a lesson I learned in some ways the hard way.

it doesn't hurt to be banned, I was banned once or twice, yeah sometimes you do get caught up in things, banning cools you down.
I don't believe banning someone permanently is a wise thing, because even can you, its easy to change your ip or hide it so why bother, just ban him for a week or a month, let him calm down.

why close a thread, you read something because you want to, just don't read it if it doesn't interest you, or read it so you can have a laugh.
I mean why, why do we do what we do,

I wrote a lot of shit, more so on another web site,
I couldn't believe any one actually read it,
but I was told they did, and I was discussed in private rooms and lounges.

people take it way to seriously they really do.

one guy said he would never read anything I posted every again, but I posted something and he commented.
what does that say about your fucking mentality man.

don't take anything on this board serious or any other board for that matter,
and if you can't stand the heat, well

lenny · Mar 16, 2017

sevenofnine said:
it doesn't hurt to be banned, I was banned once or twice,

That's what you get for being Borg.

Actually, though, it's surprising, since you are exactly like a fluffy kitten that all the ladies would love & want for a client or BF.

I'm sure if they ever make Notebook II you could easily land the leading role.

4002

Har-Don · Mar 17, 2017

escapefromstress said:
Damaged was inferring I'd been bragging about myself all over the place, which isn't true. Today is the first time I've ever posted what you quoted above.

I can make a long list of things I've done for Fred's boards and the entire online industry.

Shall we compare resumes?

Here's one for you.

I was cyberbullied and no one seemed to know what to do about it. So I did some research, consulted with a lawyer and learned how to apply Internet Law to our online forums. I then posted this information on a dozen review boards across Canada, and as a result, almost every forum in Canada now operates much more responsibly because people understand the law.

I taught other people how to use Internet Law and they used the information I gave them to successfully take the old get some suga website offline. That board was famous across Canada for outing, harassing, defaming, threatening and extorting hundreds of SP's, clients, agency owners and review board owners - including Fred - for years.

Now I'm starting the legal process to get another corrupt industry forum offline.

What have you done for the industry lately?

I truly have nothing against you and was merely pointing out the humour in your post. If I offended you or made you uncomfortable I apologize as that was not my intent. My intent was just to bring some levity to the thread. My mistake.

I will say that for an advocate against cyberbullying, your comments 'Shall we compare resumes?' & 'What have you done for the industry lately?' seem strange as they are of a bully-ish tone.

bdan · Mar 17, 2017

escapefromstress said:
If you're referring to the fact that I'm probably the most influential woman in the Canadian review board industry right now, and have hundreds of thousands of people who read my posts and respect my experience and knowledge about the industry, then you'd be correct. But I don't remember bragging about any of that and I'm certainly not going to apologize for it.

I have no fight with you Damaged, other than being hurt by how you and others sat back and let me be treated like crap online elsewhere in the past. But I've already won that battle.

Have a nice day.

I rarely come to PERB anymore but I'm curious. Is this a sarcastic post or do you really believe this? Don't bite my head off, I'm just curious.

Oh, and hi sybian. Still say you should have just done the Texas 3 s's with them boys.

sybian · Mar 17, 2017

bdan said:
I rarely come to PERB anymore but I'm curious. Is this a sarcastic post or do you really believe this? Don't bite my head off, I'm just curious.

Oh, and hi sybian. Still say you should have just done the Texas 3 s's with them boys.

Hey Dan......Good to see you man.
I'm a passive peaceful man, as you know but thanks for the vote of confidence ...FYI this place has a new Cow Boss and is a little more user friendly for us commoners.

bdan · Mar 17, 2017

sybian said:
Hey Dan......Good to see you man.
I'm a passive peaceful man, as you know but thanks for the vote of confidence ...FYI this place has a new Cow Boss and is a little more user friendly for us commoners.

Good to hear. Might be less of a cesspool ... maybe. Certainly not like it was 5+ years ago. It was fun back then

escapefromstress · Mar 17, 2017

Har-Don said:
I truly have nothing against you and was merely pointing out the humour in your post. If I offended you or made you uncomfortable I apologize as that was not my intent. My intent was just to bring some levity to the thread. My mistake.

I will say that for an advocate against cyberbullying, your comments 'Shall we compare resumes?' & 'What have you done for the industry lately?' seem strange as they are of a bully-ish tone.

If I seem a little aggressive in my posting style sometimes, it's because I've been posting on boards that are bigger and meaner than this one for the last few years.

If you knew my history on perb, you'd know that my ideas and efforts were usually ridiculed and disrespected by the ruling clique, so I've had to work hard to gain the respect of my peers.

bdan said:
I rarely come to PERB anymore but I'm curious. Is this a sarcastic post or do you really believe this? Don't bite my head off, I'm just curious.

That was not a sarcastic post, I believe it, and I could even prove it if you wanted me to.

felixthecat · Mar 17, 2017

escapefromstress said:
That was not a sarcastic post, I believe it, and I could even prove it if you wanted me to.

I doubt you could possibly prove the respect of hundreds of thousands of people. No offense, not many people could prove a similar claim. Maybe Justin Trudeau.

For "most influential" category, maybe I missed a poll. If we talk about PERB, I'd vote Susi as the person that people here respect and go to for advice.

In a bigger scope (PERB+TERB+MERB), the name Jess comes to mind (one who posts under Fred Zed handle). Common sense tells me a policy maker of the boards has more influence than a poster.

escapefromstress · Mar 18, 2017

felixthecat said:
I doubt you could possibly prove the respect of hundreds of thousands of people. No offense, not many people could prove a similar claim. Maybe Justin Trudeau.

For "most influential" category, maybe I missed a poll. If we talk about PERB, I'd vote Susi as the person that people here respect and go to for advice.

In a bigger scope (PERB+TERB+MERB), the name Jess comes to mind (one who posts under Fred Zed handle). Common sense tells me a policy maker of the boards has more influence than a poster.

My Online Resume

Most recently – out of 1 million plus members on perb/merb/terb, when the boards were recently hacked – I was the only one who posted on all 3 boards, sharing technical help, updates, and encouragement to thousands of members who were wondering what happened and if they were safe online. westwoody, Warl0ck and reverdy are the only other members I saw sharing similar info a couple of times. I guess that makes me literally 'one in a million'.

Whenever there are hacks, DDoS attacks, spam posts, PM’s and emails from trolls, I notify the mods and admins of the boards that are being affected. I believe I’ve probably reported B57 to p/t/merb mods more often than any other member.

Out of the more than one million members of p/t/merb, myself and reverdy are the only ones who have ever bothered to post consistently on all 3 boards.

When I was recently confronted by merb members who were questioning my motives for posting there, reverdy was kind enough to vouch for me. https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?152336-Trafficking-Updates-and-Helplines

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I have known escapefromstress for quite a while now, and we've exchanged on many Canadian boards about C-36 related issues since 2014, since as a (now retired) sex worker herself, she was concerned about what C-36 would do to the industry. We have also discussed recently what she's trying to do with this thread.

Instead of having what is being posted about trafficking, forced and/or underage prostitution, making its way in the news threads about the aftermath of C-36 and sex work, she felt it would be more appropriate to have a separate thread about these issues, which are typically invoked by abolitionists as a justification to criminalize the purchase of sexual services. Ever since C-36 took effect (and even since the Himel decision), it seems that it's all LE cares about.

I believe like she does that it is more appropriate to discuss the news coverage and what is being posted about these issues in a thread separate from C-36 as, to me at least, it leads to the persistent conflation of sex work with these issues. While linked, the challenges that sex workers and clients face as a result C-36 and its implementation are distinct problems, from trafficking, etc., and should be, again in my opinion, treated separately.

I do think however that it is healthy that, as community of sex workers and clients, we discuss these issues, as their conflation with consensual sex work has been used to ram through C-36, and we may be in a better position to evaluate what's actually happening.
Like gugu, and others here have alluded to, there are good reasons to be skeptical about many of the information making its way in the mainstream media about the extent of trafficking as an issue, or about the information posted by some advocacy groups.

But the merit of a thread such as this one is to provide a space where this can be discussed and debunked, even.

Talking about these questions with people I have met at parties over the past few years, I am still surprised how some do not seem to know anything about these debates and questions, or about the changes in law since C-36. Having a thread such as this one helps to raise awareness, and helps to put into context what is being said/posted on these questions.

It's also why she has cross-posted the thread on multiple boards. Few people have memberships across the range of existing boards; most stick to just one.

And that escapefromstress posted a lot of information coming from advocacy groups doesn't necessarily mean that she endorses what these sources say. She was simply trying to be exhaustive. Like the news in the C-36 threads, it's up to each member to evaluate the information that is posted, and draw their own conclusions.

So accusations of her being a radical feminist, or posting all this information as click bait, or any other nonsense, is way off base and couldn't be further from the truth.

I’ve been a member of at least 20 escort review boards over the years, and have posted PSA threads on up to 13 of them at the same time.

I started out on c e r f in 2010 and helped Steve rebuild, and rebuild, and rebuild that board.

I often gave him shit for posting trash about perb and was able to discourage him from further defaming them.

I helped erslist/leolist grow from the start and helped defend them against industry trolls who wanted to take them offline.

When Fiddy started the now defunct RedLight board, I was a Mod there.

I’ve helped to create awareness and present solutions regarding issues that impact our online forums such as Cybercrime, Trafficking of sex workers, and online child sexual abuse and exploitation. I’ve posted industry petitions by SWO’s and SSS/johns voice and other relevant organizations and issues on boards across Canada.

I’ve reported cybercrimes such as cyberbullying, harassment, malicious defamation, outing, extortion, death threats, etc. on industry forums to VPD, RCMP, Halifax Vice and the Toronto Police Service Sex Crime division, host servers, and the Canadian government anti-spam abuse department.

I was cyberbullied and no one seemed to know what to do about it. So I did some research, consulted with a lawyer and learned how to apply Internet Law to our online forums. I then posted this information on a dozen review boards across Canada, and as a result, almost every forum in Canada now operates much more responsibly because people understand the law.

My old handle was Ms. Sarah and I used to advertise as Ms. Sarah’s Therapy for Men. Unfortunately, a gang of industry cyberbullies posted me on TheDirty, and then promoted that article on 2 corrupt TO review boards (one of which was gss) and several online blogs. They publicly stated that their goal was to make TheDirty article the number one Google search result when people searched me online, and they accomplished that goal. Unfortunately, Fred, perb and it’s mods were also defamed along with me. I guess that’s part of the reason I work so hard to help the boards now.

I taught other people how to use Internet Law and they used the information I gave them to successfully take the old get some suga website offline. That board was famous across Canada for outing, harassing, defaming, threatening and extorting hundreds of SP's, clients, agency owners and review board owners - including Fred - for years.

Now I'm starting the legal process to get another corrupt industry forum offline.

As a review board member, isn't it normal to watch over the content of our public discussions to make sure we don't break the law?

Maybe I'm weird, but that's what I do, all across Canada.

I work hard to help our forums be successful, by educating members on topics that are relevant to the industry.

Why don't more industry advocates post on review boards?

There still seems to be very few SWO's, escort industry advocates or groups who bother to post on review boards.

Where else can you find thousands of SP's, clients and others involved in the industry, all gathered in one place (or several places on various boards), where we can all communicate and share ideas?

Most of the advocates I've seen speaking up anywhere, seem to be focused on the rights of sex workers.

Well, it's already legal for sex workers to work, so where's the uproar on behalf of clients who are still in danger of prosecution?

I know I'm talking to the Vancouver industry where everything is sunshine and roses thanks to the VPD, but what about the other 90% of the country where it's not so wonderful?

I don't see advocacy groups speaking up there either.

I've said this before - perb, terb and merb combined have over 1,000,000 members, so why do all 3 boards act as separate entities unto themselves? Even when one board gets hacked, no one bothers to go to another board to find out what's happening.

Why ignore the boards when they're such an excellent resource and venue for communicating?

Are there male advocacy groups? Are they on any of the boards?

I encourage more individuals to see how you can get involved, rather than depending on one person or group to do it on your behalf.

You could be the one who makes a difference!

SexSafetySecurity/Johns Voice has been successful in using the boards across Canada multiple times to promote their research projects and ask for participants.

Don't forget to take part in their survey: https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?233731-Survey-www-street-to-screen-ca&highlight=

SWO's and advocacy groups don't need to become our best buddies or spend 5 days a week posting here, to be able to use our forums as a place to promote their causes and fundraise.

It just doesn't make sense to me that they ignore what could be such an obvious asset to their causes.

I've been told to sit down and shut up by industry advocates, told I'd never be accepted into their groups and that I'd never be effective on my own.

They were wrong. I didn't need their approval or permission to have a massive impact on the boards, because I participate on them, even if it's just to drop in and update a thread every once in a while.

Another recent example of the power of the boards is the petition to have a Judge investigated. I posted on half a dozen industry forums (because it involves the issue of Consent) before it was promoted publicly in the media, and the petition got over 2,000 signatures within a day - and we helped.

Remember the petitions the SWO's were circulating when C-36 was before the Supreme Court? Guess who posted those petitions on 13 review board forums across the country to help spread the word? Correct. I did.

I posted this on terb recently: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?592993-Do-not-jail-all-paedophiles-says-police-chief-(UK-Story)&p=5778113&viewfull=1#post5778113

We have to post responsibly when discussing controversial topics on our public (and private) forums.

There are two topics that will draw the critical attention of Law Enforcement and Government Agencies:

1. Evidence of the Trafficking of sex workers in advertising, reviews or forum discussions.
2. Evidence of the online sexual abuse and exploitation of children and underage teens, and any content that promotes the abuse and exploitation.

If I see our members posting inappropriate content, I'm going to speak up about it, so you might as well get used to it.

And I imagine I have the full support of Terb/Perb/Merb Admins and Mods as I do so.

UhOh · Mar 18, 2017

Someone here has serious delusions of grandeur. To believe every member of every board is reading their post is incredible. Maybe 10% of members or less even take part or bother to read anything more than reviews. Hundreds of thousands are not waiting with bated breath for that one most influential member to post their invaluable snippets of information.
It like me posting a comment on YouTube and thinking the whole world of YouTube watchers read my comment.
Reality check the pooning world doesn't give a crap about any one member of any review board.

escapefromstress · Mar 18, 2017

UhOh said:
Someone here has serious delusions of grandeur. To believe every member of every board is reading their post is incredible. Maybe 10% of members or less even take part or bother to read anything more than reviews. Hundreds of thousands are not waiting with bated breath for that one most influential member to post their invaluable snippets of information.
It like me posting a comment on YouTube and thinking the whole world of YouTube watchers read my comment.
Reality check the pooning world doesn't give a crap about any one member of any review board.

I never claimed that every member of every board reads my posts. People have a bad habit of putting words in my mouth around here.

Let's say only one quarter of members are still active on p/t/merb, that's 250,000+ potential readers, and that's only counting registered members, not the thousands of lurkers who read but never join and post. Then add the many other review boards I participate on - one of which just passed the incredible milestone of one million page views per month, and the number of readers start to add up, don't they?

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