Cliton For President, Hillary That Is

Victoria Rose

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MissingOne said:
Wow! I must have been asleep through the entire Clinton presidency. I didn't notice any of that stuff.
That's because his Republican counterparts/enemies blew things like the Lewinsky scandal so far out of proportion, you weren't supposed to notice, much less remember, anything really important about his presidency.

The saddest thing about humanity is that we're so shallow that we measure people more by their mistakes rather than their accomplishments, and when it comes to those who are famous or hold public office, their mistakes are magnified to a point where when history is written, their accomplishments are overshadowed by them.

Clinton didn't do anything truly malignant—he was just being human. He held a very stressful job. Granted, he wronged his wife and he picked the wrong place to do it, but in the end, it was no one's business but theirs and they should be commended for having managed to mend their marriage in spite of the fact that he had a very long-term history, of which Hilary was well aware, of infidelity.

As for Hilary's part, she's a very intelligent and accomplished woman in her own right and with the possible exception of Eleanor Roosevelt, I don't think any First Lady has come close to being her equal. She managed to remain remarkably calm and dignified during her husband's time in the White House and there was never any doubt of her strength. She is every bit as well-educated, and I have no doubt that if given the opportunity, she will make a good president. I hope she does become the first woman president, because I believe she alone would open the door for many more. The first woman to hold that office will be the one who must prove to all Americans that a woman really can do the job. That will be no mean feat, but I think that if any woman can pull it off, Hilary can.

However, all that said, no one ever proved that she was the perfect wife. She stood by Bill regardless of all his philandering, but was she any more worthy of him than he was of her? It takes two to make a marriage and the marriage had problems—of that there can be no doubt. Maybe the whole problem was that they were both just as well educated and they both wanted to be "on top" so to speak. Few marriages survive that kind of "equality." It's a wonder theirs did considering the blows it took, particularly given that they were taken in public.
 

Victoria Rose

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tedsweettangv said:
I think Hilary would make a great president. I don't think the U.S. will elect a woman president, they are not ready for that yet. Oddly enough places that you would normally think of as more conservative than the U.S. have all had women leaders. India, Great Britain, Canada, South Africa etc.
I disagree on two counts.

I think the U.S. is ready to consider it if the right woman put herself in the race and I think Hilary is the right woman.

I can understand why you think India is more conservative, but Great Britain, Canada, and South Africa? I really don't think that any of these countries are more conservative than the U.S. when it comes to their attitudes towards gender and leadership.
 

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interesting read

Are Men Necessary, Maureen Dowd - I never saw it coming but she had quite a bit to say about the Clintons & alas I saw a new light shine down on the affair with Monica: "remarkably, Bill & Hillary were able to turn her humiliation into a campaign asset"

"Of course, if Hilary, the know-it-all from Yale, clutched her husband's coattails, W., the know-nothing form Yale, clutched his father's."

"The Bushes feel the entitlement of the aristocracy. The Clintons feel the entitlement of the meritocracy. Over & over we find ourselves grappling with the nettlesome issue: What is Hillary Clinton owed?"

I'd have to agree with GBMs statement. The US needs more than a wing & a prayer to lead them from the brink of disaster.
 
What? who followed WHO?

Cinnamon Girl said:
"Of course, if Hilary, the know-it-all from Yale, clutched her husband`s coattails, W., the know-nothing form Yale, clutched his father`s."
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Are you kidding me?

I know the history of those two & believe me Hillary wasn’t clutching nobody`s coattails!
She led that silver tongued sweet talker from the legal bench to the Governor`s office & then after grooming the little boy, bitched slapped him into the Prez. office.
Hillary wears the pants in that family!
Read an interesting book titled: "Primary Colors"

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i guess i was in a fantasy world when slick willy and his bimbo was in the wh, my bad, but gbn is right we need a leader and that is not on the horizone. Obama is a creation of the media kind of like howard dean 4 years ago and the rest of the dems are midgets. on the republican side, i dont trust mccain, but i would vote for gulliani in a heart beat. He is a proven leader but he is to liberal for the base of the party on social issues so he will never make it to the general election. its a shame that we are reduced to such a state that the really qualified people wont run.

the media talks about obama being a new kind of politician, but all i see is the same kind of politician as every other politician, to me the new kind of politician would say these are our problems and these are my solutions, then let the debate begin. kind of polly annish isnt it?

as far as bill clinton being this great politician he never recieved 50% of the vote in either 92 or 96.
 

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Bring back Wesley Clark!!
 

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I like Wesley Clark, he is sensible, works with the international community, is very bright, and is shown to be one who is a solution provider. But the man has little charisma. You need charisma to be a great leader.

I don't trust Gulliani. He is deceptive in his sincerity. I see his cynicism. He rivals Lieberman as among the most dishonest politicians on the Hill right now.

Lieberman - you might as well vote in The Jewish League and make Ariel Sharon the head of state. Pass the bagels please.

Obama is very charismatic, but the man has only average intelligence. He hasn't said one thing that has caused American minds to think differently, though he'd make a damned good rapper. He is more a follower than a leader - like Edwards who is also very charismatic.

I like John McCain. He is a decent, honest man and is full of integrity (though there have been plenty of allegations otherwise). There are few politicians on the Hill like him. He is also very intelligent. He was a P.O.W. during the Vietnam war, and this is important. Unfortunately, due to his lack of charisma, he would do best being close to the future president as a valued advisor.

Chuck Hagel is another Vietnam vet. But I'd choose McCain over Hagel anyway, as McCain is more proactive in finding solutions to challenging problems facing the WH these days.

Pelosi is a hippie child nut case, but she's a very nice lady. She'd make an excellent nanny.

John Kerry is book smart but his brain is lost in the ivory tower and can't step outside the Starbucks latte culture. Middle America still hates him.

Howard Dean has come up with some provocative ideas as of late, but it's too late. I like the guy, and I like his hot-head personality, but I can see why most people are scared of him. Too bad voters are so finicky about stupid things. He'd make a pretty good president, but I'd still worry he'd make a mistake from not being level headed enough. Come to think of it, I'll pass on him.

Ralph Nader - what a nerd. Better as an advisor. I like some of his radical ideas.

Al Gore - a good guy. Sincere and honest, charismatic too. I think he'd make a fine president.

Schwartzenegger. I like his fresh immigrant roots. He's a winner in personal life (unlike GWB - a loser in personal life) and we found out he has a brain. He's not so macho that he can't admit wrong either, and seems to take advice from opponents seriously. He'd make a fine president, and would capture the imagination of the world too (which could work against him). Could you imagine the endless jokes made behind his back by both allies and enemies? A hawkish foreign policy would be difficult for other countries to take seriously without jokes about his Terminator personality.

Who did I miss?
 

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georgebushmoron said:
Al Gore - a good guy. Sincere and honest, charismatic too. I think he'd make a fine president.
Just when I thought you were coming around to the sane side of our world. Al “the sky is falling” Gore? This is the guy that flew Air Force 1 (I guess when he is on-board it would be AF2) half way around the world to give a speech on how to reduce global warming. He could have started by not spewing 350,000 lbs of jet fuel into the air to give a meaningless speech. He is the guy who said in Detroit he drove an SUV, but in the south said he owned some gas miser car. He explained the contradiction by saying he did not own the SUV, just drove it. Ahhhhh now that makes a difference.


georgebushmoron said:
Who did I miss?
Gov. Richardson (NM). I would like to hear what he has to say. Governors seem to do well. The last 4 out of 5 Presidents have held governors positions before running.

The GOP has yet to ramp up. Once Obama announced it forced other DEMS in early.
 

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Just when I thought you were coming around to the sane side of our world. Al “the sky is falling” Gore? This is the guy that flew Air Force 1 (I guess when he is on-board it would be AF2) half way around the world to give a speech on how to reduce global warming. He could have started by not spewing 350,000 lbs of jet fuel into the air to give a meaningless speech. He is the guy who said in Detroit he drove an SUV, but in the south said he owned some gas miser car. He explained the contradiction by saying he did not own the SUV, just drove it. Ahhhhh now that makes a difference.




Gov. Richardson (NM). I would like to hear what he has to say. Governors seem to do well. The last 4 out of 5 Presidents have held governors positions before running.

The GOP has yet to ramp up. Once Obama announced it forced other DEMS in early.
Senators run with a disadvantage. All their votes are recorded and easily accessable. Kerry had to deal with that in 2004, "I voted for it before I voted against it".

The next president won't be Hillary, Obama or Macain.
 

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my two cents worth...

SilkyJohnson said:
I have a quote from 'So I married an Axe Murderer' for ya Silky...

Stuart Mackenzie: Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

Tony Giardino: So who's in this Pentavirate?

Stuart Mackenzie: The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

Sorry, couldn't resist :D

I like Obama simply because he can speak eloquently. But I know nothing of him or of where he stands on any of the current issues, other than that he opposed the Iraq occupation and supported Kerry in the last election. I just like that he is a fine orator, unlike Bush, who is just painful to listen to. But hey, maybe Obama is just another Illuminati Masonic Bonesman, City of London lackey and Reptilian 33rd degree alien interdimensional shapeshifting cock knocker… who knows… but I think I read about it somewhere on the internet...;)

Hillary's camp fired off a salvo the other day in the news (http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Fox_smears_Sen._Obama_0119.html). It would seem to me that she is capitalizing upon racism and fear to undermine her opponent. Interesting tactic, a real gut shot.

On with the show!
 
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georgebushmoron said:
Who did I miss?
dessert said:
How about more of your thoughts on the real pants of the Clinton family?

Also, Dennis Kucinich (the Dem's version of Ross Perot)? Although, this guy would never become pres, I have to give credits to him for trying hard.
Mr.O said:
Are you kidding me?

I know the history of those two & believe me Hillary wasn’t clutching nobody's coattails!
She led that silver tongued sweet talker from the legal bench to the Governor's office & then after grooming the little boy, bitched slapped him into the Prez. office.
Hillary wears the pants in that family!
Read an interesting book titled: "Primary Colors"

I believe that wuz me that commented on the pants.
 

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Cinnamon Girl said:
Are Men Necessary, Maureen Dowd - I never saw it coming but she had quite a bit to say about the Clintons & alas I saw a new light shine down on the affair with Monica: "remarkably, Bill & Hillary were able to turn her humiliation into a campaign asset"
still together :D



Maureen Dowd is one smart progressive woman... oh... red head as well :D

 

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The only worse person that the democrats can run for the WH is probably Ted Kennedy. There's no chance in hell of Billary wining a primary let alone an election regardless of the fact that she has her husband's balls in her handbag and none of his charisma or charm. If Obama and Clinton is the best the democrats have to run with then I can bet money on at least another 4 years of Republican Whitehouse.

I'm curious if we're gonna hear from Powell and whether the Republicans will convince him to run. They'd do very well with a Powell for Pres. and either mccain or Giuliani for VP. This would satisfy the sudden nagging itch that the democrats are trying to create for a minority president (woman, black or hispanic) Clinton, Obama or Richards.
 

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georgebushmoron said:
Who did I miss?
It looks like Senator Joe Biden is going to try to win the Democratic nomination. He has more smarts than any other candidate in either party and would make a great president. He's already weathered the "plagiarism" storm that scuttled his effort to get the presidential nomination in the 90's so that isn't likely to be an issue again (it shouldn't have been in the first place) and even if it is, it wouldn't prove fatal to a second presidential run by Biden. When you look at the pathological liars that have been running the USA for the past six years, an admission of plagiarism seems rather insignificant. A Biden-Obama ticket would kick the butt of whatever tandem the Republicans might decide to field.
 

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JustAGuy said:
It looks like Senator Joe Biden is going to try to win the Democratic nomination. He has more smarts than any other candidate in either party and would make a great president. He's already weathered the "plagiarism" storm that scuttled his effort to get the presidential nomination in the 90's so that isn't likely to be an issue again (it shouldn't have been in the first place) and even if it is, it wouldn't prove fatal to a second presidential run by Biden. When you look at the pathological liars that have been running the USA for the past six years, an admission of plagiarism seems rather insignificant. A Biden-Obama ticket would kick the butt of whatever tandem the Republicans might decide to field.
I knew I missed somebody important!!! Biden is a good candidate. He had proposed a solution for dividing Iraq into 3 pieces, not a bad one. I believe he has the necessary charisma that on its own won't require Obama's contribution. In fact, I think Obama's mannerisms may eclipse the important things Biden would have to say. I'd rather Obama not be part of the picture. If anyone should be paired with Biden, it should be either Hillary or John Edwards. Those two would be good at providing an inward-looking face for domestic issues, as they tend to project compassion and liberalism. Biden would project a tough and smart, thoroughly well-thought foreign policy. As well, Biden (along with McCain) command a lot of respect on Capital Hill. This is much needed after 8 years of derision from all sides on the present administration.
 

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Victoria Rose said:
I disagree on two counts.

I think the U.S. is ready to consider it if the right woman put herself in the race and I think Hilary is the right woman.

I can understand why you think India is more conservative, but Great Britain, Canada, and South Africa? I really don't think that any of these countries are more conservative than the U.S. when it comes to their attitudes towards gender and leadership.
Indira Ghandi = not fuckable.
Margaret Thatcher = not fuckable.
Kim Campbell = fuckable.
Golda Meir = not fuckable.

So far I think we're winning.
 
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