Chris Pronger calls Todd Bertuzzi a liar!!!

[BYSON]

Unfortunately, it's attitudes like this that reflect badly on such a great game. Hockey is a wonderful game of skill, not a game that is one step removed from the WWF. Nobody, no matter what sport they play, deserves to get their neck broken by a sucker punch.

You're right Hockey is a wonderful game, but hockey is also a Tough game played with alot of emotions if you can't take the heat get the fuck out of the kitchen, regardles if it was a clean hit on Naslund or not You hit a Star Player you're going to get you're head knock off this is a unwriting rule of Hockey, every team Knows this. thats what keep the Stars Playing, where you think Gretzky would have done without Semenko or McSorley, he would not played as long because some cheap artist kid would of knock his head off clean and ended his playing time. This is why we have Fighting in Hockey, you can't respect this maybe you should be watching Womens Tennis at least there some hot chicks to watch

 

[wilde]

For the record I'm not a Canucks fan( Washington Capitals fan) so om looking at this as if I'm an outsider.

That must be pretty frustrating.

 

[Chingada]

You're right Hockey is a wonderful game, but hockey is also a Tough game played with alot of emotions if you can't take the heat get the fuck out of the kitchen,

Previous posters have made some valid comments. Responding to your quote would only dignify it, which I won't do.

 

[bigdman]

According to ex GM Brian Burke the day after the hit "Steve Moore will be skating in 6 weeks". About 4 weeks later Steve Moore is sitting in his press conference wearing a neck brace. .....

Scott231...

Not that I agree or approve what Bertuzzi did was right. But what steve moore said in his conference really turned me off and totally change my sympathy toward him. He said he was lucky to be alive"... why not question his own teammates for piling up on him instead of separating Bert from moore.

I think Granato/Aves organization should be fined severely too, that he sent moore out when the game of out of hand, many already picked fights with moore, but yet he was playing with fire, more like trying to tease the Canucks that they could not do anything even with moore on ice..., that was the stupidest move I have seen. Granato only wanted to add more fuel if not try to put the frame out instead. I guess that's why he is only the assistant coach material, and replaced by ex-Blues coach.

 

[scott231]

Tony Granato was suspended by the NHL in the 1991 - 1992 season for a stick to the head shot against Neil Wilkinson of the Chicago Blackhawks he got like 15 games. The Av's shouldn't be fined because you still have to play the remaining minutes of the game and when the score is 9-2 you rest your star players like Sakic, Forsberg, Kariya, Tanguay, Selanne and Blake. Todd Bertuzzi made a stupid decision turn the guy around the punch him, instead Bertuzzi stalks Moore all over the ice, then sucker punches him and drives him to the ice and lands one punch on him, If Nikolisan of the Av's didn't come in Moore would be in bad trouble.

 

[bigdman]

Nikolisan instead of pulling Bert up, but he chose to pile on top of others, niko was not on mission to rescue, he was on mission to punching Bert. I agree with u resting your best players, but he can choose not to play moore, he was not the only player available on the bench. Bert did not turn moore around, he was going after moore and pulled on his jersey then punched him. If you read my previous post, you will find out how the whole thing occurred. Bert's motion was not driving moore to the ice, it was moore forward motion which led to bert's following motion after delivered his punch.
BTW, even if Blake was on the bench he still could play, because his wrist was broken in the fight with Ruutu, therefore, he was gone...

 

[BDAClub]

Actually from Looking at the tape BigD I'd say Bert's punch connected with Moore's temple he was out by the time he hit the ice and as he hit the ice Bert was taking another swing but didn't connect because the pile on had begun......I agree though the pile on is what cracked his Vertebrae so anyone soley attributing that to Todd alone is way off.................and Granato definetely knew better than to have Moore out there at that point of the game.

 

[scott231]

Once again I have to say Todd Bertuzzi is NOT the victim. There is a young 25 year old that may never play hockey again because of Bertuzzi's gutless act. Once again I'm not a Canuck's fan BUT if Chris Pronger says the NHL should throw the book @ him and most american's including "Regie Miller" who called Bertuzzi "A Goon" say the book should be thrown at him then the league should only let Todd play when Steve Moore is able to play again. Steve Moore worked so hard to get to the NHL this past season and it got taken away from him buy Todd Bertuzzi, if it was the other way around, people would be asking for Moore's head, and come to think of it it has because after Naslund got hurt after the incident most fans wanted some payback and I was @ GM Place that night and these so called Vancouver fans cheered Bertuzzi's cowardly act on Steve Moore.

 

[wilde]

scott231

NOBODY said Bertuzzi is the victim, stop twisting peoples' words. Other members are simply trying to point out the cause and effect of the Bertuzzi attack on Steve Moore. The Vancouver fans like any other fans, cheered that night like they would any other fight. They had no way to know that Steve Moore was seriously hurt until the pile had cleared up. Besides, we don't really care what the American thinks let alone Mr. Clean aka Regie Miller.

 

[scott231]

Not talking about other board members I'm refering to the people who have called in to Dan Russell's show and Pratt & Taylor's show and make Bertuzzi out to be the one victimized. People should care what Americans think because the NHL needs the U.S., The U.S. don't need the NHL. Just look @ the 2 crappy tv deals Gary Bettman signed with ESPN 2 and NBC. The NFL, NBA, MLB, Nascar, Wimbledon, US. Open, Masters, NCAA all have billion dollar contracts with either NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox Sports,ESPN, and TNT Sports and those sports don't need Canada to survive. The NHL operates out of the U.S., with more then half of the teams based there so it is important for the NHL to market there players south of the boarder and clean there game up to present to the american viewer. Hockey is a fringe sports in America the NHL had to come down hard on Bertuzzi so that the American public wouldn't think of the NHL as a joke. BTW Reggie Miller is a fantastic NBA player but he shouldn't have called Bertuzzi "a goon".

 

[_Ruffian_]

I hope you're not thinking Vancouver can hang out with real teams in the playoffs, Because they have been pissing me off every spring since 94, Canucks have to be shity through out the season but just make the playoffs and roll with the fact they made the playoffs to have a good run in the playoffs

don't bring that stuff on me man, i've been a fan since '93, and i've been waiting just as long as you've been.

we got gypped in '94 because of stupid reffing in the finals....then traded away all our stars to rebuild, signed messier (worst mistake in the entire history of the 'nucks franchise), and finally got it together when nazzy became captain.

In 2000-2001 when the nucks faced the avs, they lost naslund because he broke his leg, and they a few more guys to injury including their next leading scorer andrew cassels. Needless to say, they got swept by the eventual cup champs, but still had patrick roy shaking in his jockstrap for 3 games.

The next season, they started off horribly, but had an awesome season right after christmas, but still had to face the eventual stanley cup champs again.

2002-2003 was the season that they were supposed to go all the way, but since brian burke loved having trashcan dan around we had no chance.

this past season, everything went downhill after the bertuzzi incident, but they still had a chance. Trashcan dan AGAIN didn't come through and got injured (like he always does near the end of the season)




as long as the nucks don't have a goaltender that can hang with the other guys...brodeur...hasek...belfour etc, they aren't gonna go nowhere.

 

[BYSON]

BUT if Chris Pronger says the NHL should throw the book @ him and most american's including "Regie Miller" who called Bertuzzi "A Goon" say the book should be thrown at him then the league should

Who Care's what Pronger or Regie Miller Says
I have to agree with the Bigman Steve Moore should of not been on the ice at this point of the game
and Fuck the Courts, this matter don't belong in court

 

[skyboy]

The actions of Bertuzzi shouldn't be decided in the court system. The NHL should deal with this. That being said, if they use any of the other instances that have happened before in the NHL. Bertuzzi has served enough of a suspension and should be able to play with his team at the start of the season.

 

[scott231]

In the 2000 - 2001 season if Naslund didn't break is leg and if Cassels wasn't injured during the playoffs, the Canucks could of finished as high as 3rd in the Conference they were that good up untill Naslund broke his leg in Buffalo. Instead they finishes 8th and barley mafde the playoffs with like 2 wins in their final 20 games.

 

[_Ruffian_]

the Canucks could of finished as high as 3rd in the Conference

i seriously doubt that


the avalanche took the division, and handily took the conference too...they won the presidents trophy that year

and the dan cloutier/bob essensa tandem between the pipes wasn't going to get them anywhere even if they got past the first round.

 

[scott231]

Sorry my mistake they could of finished 4th in the Western Conference, as the Av's were the best team all year. BTW What do you guy's think of this trade Joe Thornton for Todd Bertuzzi? Joe wants out and he's younger 25 and is a better player right now then Bertuzzi was when he was 25. Joe Thornton is the real deal and would look awesome in a Canuck's jersey. I think Todd Bertuzzi needs a fresh start so dealing him for Joe would be a good move on Dave Nonis part.

 

[bigdman]

scott,

Joe has a history of injory, I think it is a dumb move

 

[wilde]

Beside his injury prone body, Joe will probably look for something in the range of $10M/year for his next contract.

Here is a little known fact. Both Joe Thornton and Saku Koivu are their respective teams' captain, both played with cracked ribs in the playoffs. Joe's injury was leaked/found out by the media to justify his shitty performance. Whereas, Saku did not say a word until the Habs were eliminated from the playoffs. Joe may have the bigger body but you don't need me to tell you who had the bigger heart. In addition, Saku was leading the playoff scoring race for a time despite his pint size and injury.

 

[BDAClub]

I'm not a Canucks fan but I think they should keep Bertuzzi he has some great hockey in him and u need some one with his skill and size and a CONTROLLED mean streak......Trade Naslund.....he's a good player no doubt but a leader the way Yzerman is.....the way Messier was with Edmonton and NYR.....The way that Primeau has turned out to be.....those Euro's don't have enuff heart to put a team on their back and lead them to the promised land (with the exception maybe of Forsberg). It's suspect how much longer he wants to play anyway.


Give the C to Jovo and watch him respond!!

 

[wilde]

those Euro's don't have enuff heart to put a team on their back and lead them to the promised land (with the exception maybe of Forsberg). It's suspect how much longer he wants to play anyway.

Saku Koivu is European. He battled back from a bout with cancer, played his heart out in the playoffs with a craked rib (read above post by moi). Never plays on the perimeter. He stands at 5'9 with skates on but play like he is 6'5. Stop insulting European players, Don Cherry you ain't.