Chretien bafflegabs Gomery Inquiry

Bull

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Well after a day of hearing from Chretien at the Gomery inquiry, the only conclusion one can draw is that nobody in Ottawa knows (or, dare we say, cares) about where or how hard earned taxpayer dollars are spent. Chretien mangled his metaphors, wisecracked and blustered his way through the day's testimony (predictably trumpeting that he had to "save" Canada) but at the end of the day we are no wiser as to how the sponsorship program ended up dumping $100 million of the $250 sponsorship budget into Liberal pockets.

Just coincidence, I guess. :rolleyes:



"I didn't do it", says Jean.

 

GreenEyes

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This whole thing is a mess. I have had it with the federal government, if they really wanted to get to the bottom of it they could. In the end nothing will be resolved and some nobody will take the fall. The Liberal Gov't has proven themselves to be corrupt, but no one seems to care. The whole issue has been eclipsed by the gay marriage debate (not one worth getting into here). I have resigned myself to the fact that nothing will ever get resolved.
 

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How do you spell A-S-S-H-O-L-E?
The mindset that he betrays
Chretien's argument consistent with years of Liberal arrogance

Andrew Coyne
National Post
February 9, 2005

Naturally, Jean Chretien was as unenlightening as possible in his appearance before the Gomery inquiry yesterday: He never answered the question in 40 years of Question Period, so why start now? Yet the story he's sticking to -- we were saving the country, mistakes can happen, governing is a messy business, the "context" his advisors promised he would provide -- is revealing enough in its own way. Indeed, his very insouciance, when discussing a massive scandal that occurred on his watch, is part of the story.

Strictly as a matter of logic, Mr. Chretien's main argument, that the sponsorship program was a crucial part of the government's post-referendum unity strategy, is sublimely irrelevant to the matter at hand. The former prime minister may believe, as he famously declared on another occasion, that the theft of a few million dollars is a small price to pay to prevent the breakup of the country. But the issue before the inquiry is not the merits of the sponsorship program, as such, but how and to what extent it was used as a vehicle for personal and partisan gain.

Yet consider that rationale, and the mindset it betrays.

Mr. Chretien takes it as self-evident, and trusts his listeners will as well, that the government of Canada should spend hundreds of millions of dollars in a continuing effort to persuade Quebecers not to destroy the country; that a major industrial democracy, a member of the G-7, should be forced, in effect, to beg for its life. An observer from another country would find this bizarre, not to say humiliating. Yet that is what we did, for the better part of four decades.

A country that can accommodate itself to that kind of sustained self-abasement can accommodate itself to a lot of things. Integrity, whether in countries or individuals, depends not only on the ability to distinguish between right and wrong, but on the conviction that right and wrong matter, that it matters whether you do the right thing or the wrong thing. The sine qua non for that conviction is self-respect: for it to matter what you do, you must matter. Destroy that, habituate a people to the idea that their very existence is a mere contingency, perpetually at the mercy of others to decide, and it should not be surprising if a certain ethical lassitude takes hold as well.

That is one part of the "context" in which the sponsorship scandal should be set. The other, not unrelated, is one-party rule. I don't just mean the arrogance, the complacency, the invincible sense of entitlement that accrues over many years in office, all of which has been richly in evidence throughout the inquiry's hearings. I mean the tendency to equate the party with the country, or at least to assume that the interests of the one are consonant with the other's. Mr. Chretien was quite explicit, as his ministers had been before him, that we should not look upon the advertising firms that profited so handsomely from their coziness with the ruling party as "Liberal-friendly," but rather as federalists. Yes, the program was political, Alfonso Gagliano insisted -- "not political in the sense [of] partisan, but political in the sense of being federalism against separatism."

Political, but not in a partisan sense. It's possible they're just having us on. But the darker possibility is that they mean it. All politicians fall into the trap of thinking themselves at war. It is how they steel themselves to the petty acts of dishonesty that are the everyday business of the profession: It is just so essential that we win -- not for our sakes, but for the good of the country -- that we cannot be restrained by peacetime standards of integrity. If that is how they approach most federal elections -- hell, elections to city council -- imagine what they could persuade themselves of in post-referendum Quebec.

In time, as we have seen, some other important lines became blurred as well -- not only between party and country (not for nothing does Mr. Chretien refer to the handful of Liberal shibboleths in which he haphazardly believes as "the Canadian way"), but between the politicians and the bureaucracy, and between the public sector and the private. That, too, is part of the "context" of this affair. It isn't just the sponsorship scandal, after all. It's sponsorships and HRDC and Shawinigate and the Business Development Bank and a half-dozen other similar messes. In all, there is a consistent pattern, of political interference in the civil service (where the civil service had not itself become politicized); of public money being funnelled to friends of the government, personal or political; and of private money finding its way back to the party.

And, whenever anyone dared to lift a voice against them, of crude attacks and smears, whether in the determined attempt to destroy Francois Beaudoin, the president of the BDC, or the vile little whisper campaign against the Auditor-General, or the current all-out assault on the Gomery inquiry. Mr. Chretien's smirking appearance, with its calculated displays of contempt for the judge, was of a piece.

 

bonanzabob

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Chretien - Gomery Inquiry

I'm embarrassed by Chretien's testimony to the enquiry.

A former prime-minister using a golf ball for a zinger come-back...that my friends is really "small-town-cheap".

However, the Federal Liberals rely on Quebec staying in Canada to allow them to continue governing, and I think this whole scandal has to be viewed in that light. Chretien misjudged the separatist sentiment leading up to the last referendum, and as a result went head-long into a spending spree in Quebec to prop up federalist sentiment.

Sure there is the scandal of how this money got spread around. But the real scandal is that Canadians continue to give this party the right to rule (albeit as lame ducks the last election).

Is the alternative really that bad....I don't think it could be.
 

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Chretien holds us all in contempt

Jean Chretien's cheap trick
Andrew Coyne
National Post
February 10, 2005

Maybe you and I were watching different shows. If you were one of my media colleagues, you saw a bravura performance by an old pro still in top form. On the CBC, a misty-eyed Don Newman reported that Jean Chretien had hit "a home run." Elsewhere it was described as "a touchdown," a "slam dunk," and inevitably, "a hole in one." You get the point: It was all a game, with the press gallery in its preferred role as scorekeeper.

If you were like me, however, and I suspect a good part of the public are, you saw the former prime minister of Canada engaged in what in another context would be called contempt of the proceedings. After hours of questioning by the Gomery commission as to what he knew of the errant sponsorship program, questions to which he offered, by turns, sneers, evasions, and professions of his own, as the Post's John Ivison put it, "encyclopedic ignorance," Mr. Chretien spent his last few minutes on the stand in a stagey, prop-filled attempt to humiliate the judge before whom he sat.

I repeat: This is the former prime minister of Canada we are talking about -- not some juvenile delinquent in youth court. Even Bill Clinton did not go that far. Cornered, under oath, he at least had the decency to lie: the tribute that vice pays to getting caught. Whereas Mr. Chretien, whose responsibilities as prime minister included upholding the law and protecting the taxpayers' interest, chose this moment to advertise his contempt for both. Which is more or less what the inquiry was called to investigate, isn't it?

Not to many in the media.

You may think an over-long vaudeville routine to the effect that other politicians besides Mr. Chretien hand out souvenir golf balls proves exactly nothing of any relevance. The issue before the inquiry, after all, is whether public money was systematically diverted into the pockets of friends of the Liberal party, and possibly those of the party itself, not whether Mr. Chretien has good taste.

But to the punditocracy, what mattered was that Mr. Chretien had scored a point on Judge Gomery. Today many will do the same thing, comparing Paul Martin's "performance" to Mr. Chretien's and finding it wanting: not for any economies he might take with the truth, but for his clumsiness in the attempt.

We have got to, please pardon the expression, keep our eye on the ball. The Gomery inquiry is our last chance to get at the moral rot that has taken hold of Ottawa over the past three decades.

Indeed, as the inquiry wears on, that is more and more becoming the issue: not so much the misappropriation of public funds, as serious as it was, but the apparent inability of our system of government to hold anyone to account.

Virtually every line of defence has proved inadequate. The Commons has been the usual model of futility: Questions about the scandal are answered with remarks about gay marriage. The Public Accounts committee tried, but was worn down by government barracking, before being shut down by an early election call. Let us not even talk about the Senate.

Within the government, it was much the same. The ethics counsellor was, needless to say, nowhere to be found. Internal audits that flagged the misspending early on were suppressed. Indeed, had it not been for the Auditor-General -- and a couple of enterprising reporters -- we might never have found out about the whole mess at all. Certainly the RCMP was unlikely to have pursued it with much vigor, having itself served as a conduit for tainted funds.

And if the Chretien regime was less than forthcoming about what it was up to, the Martinites have been scarcely better. The lawyer who was supposed to recover the missing millions has given up, not a penny wiser. Having assigned two of its largest contributors to audit its contributions, the party then reneged on its promise to release their findings before the election, as indeed it reneged on the promise not to call the election before all the facts were known.

So the Gomery inquiry is all we've got.

Do you see what the stakes are? You can see why Mr. Chretien and his henchmen are so desperate to discredit the commission: not just their legacies, but their futures are potentially at risk if the inquiry is permitted to follow the money trail to its inevitable terminus.

But for the public, the stakes are even higher. Indeed, how this matter is resolved will test whether we can reasonably be called a democracy.

Can a regime accused of corruption endlessly suppress evidence of its misdeeds; can it muzzle or intimidate those few institutions it does not already control; can it muddle through election after election after election without ever being held to account: that is what is at issue here.

We can't afford to let this opportunity go by.
 

HankQuinlan

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There have always been charismatic politicians/leaders who feel entitled to power.

The problem in Canada has been a lack of reasonable alternatives, so we keep taking the devil we know. I would still vote for the Liberals rather than Harper's Conservatives --- remember, what troops we have would be in Iraq now. I would rather take the skimming off the top from (relatively) minor corruption than take a chance with the bible thumpers.

I wish there was another option -- Jack Layton is not exactly prime minister material either.
 

donnyknotts

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Hey remember we get the government we deserve. This is a democracy, but the trouble is, for a democracy (government by the people) to work, the people need to get involved. In Canada, and in the US as well, most hardworking and ethical people are too busy with their lives, so only the crap runs for political office. We must demand better and we must INVOLVE OURSELVES if it is to change. If not we'll get more of the same.
 
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