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Chinese culture and money-japanese similar

viper99

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Was talking to a friend who is also Chinese Canadian white washed and we talk about how the Chinese culture emphasizes a lot on just making money. Not just having a job and making money but lots of money. Growing up in western society we were told to do a profession if you like it and have a passion for it. In Chinese society we were told to get into a profession to make a lot of money
I was wondering is this also with the japanese culture too.
How about Korean is it same too
 

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I think Korea is ultra competitive to live in. Here in North American to find a place to live its 1st month rent and some damage deposit money but over there they have turn key money which I think can be 10k for an ordinary apt ( fully refundable). I watched House Hunters Int on HGTV and every apartment had serious deposit money. We are talking something like 8k lowest.

Its probably cost Korean parents a ton of money to try to get their kids in the best universities. Something like having the kids study 8 hrs per day after the school day is over. That adds tutoring money to the mix. I would probably last one week in Korean society.
 

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This may be totally unfair to say as it's just one guys take on things, but my experience living in China showed me that they like to flaunt status symbols to the point of absurdity. The cell phone thing was ridiculous, and the 'always fighting to pay the bill' at the restaurant thing was bizarre. Then I find out the dude who insisted on picking up the tab for 12 people didn't eat for days after...

My time with Japanese people (married to one for five years, and had some high school friends) showed they constantly played down the possibility that they had money, to the point it was almost insulting because I knew for sure they had TONS of dough as I'd seen the cars and houses and what not, yet I was supposed to believe that they were simple working folk. Maybe they were just worried I was a gold digger going after their daughter. I wasn't, but I had high hopes!
 

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I agree with some extremities in flaunting their wealth, especially the "fu er dai" who are just wasting the money their parents worked so hard for.

HOWEVER, I do not find the bill paying bizarre at all...It has been a part of the Confucius teaching of hospitality, its a pretty standard practice.


What really irks me is the inaccurate application of the term Chinese-Canadian. I think the term can only be used to refer those who are holding a Canadian passport but 100% Chinese culturally or linguistically or value-wise. A lot of the "Chinese-Canadians" are just simply Canadians who happen to have their genetic roots traced back to China. How often do you hear about British-Canadians?????
 

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I agree with some extremities in flaunting their wealth, especially the "fu er dai" who are just wasting the money their parents worked so hard for.

HOWEVER, I do not find the bill paying bizarre at all...It has been a part of the Confucius teaching of hospitality, its a pretty standard practice.

What really irks me is the inaccurate application of the term Chinese-Canadian. I think the term can only be used to refer those who are holding a Canadian passport but 100% Chinese culturally or linguistically or value-wise. A lot of the "Chinese-Canadians" are just simply Canadians who happen to have their genetic roots traced back to China. How often do you hear about British-Canadians?????
Didn't know the teachings of Confucius had a hand in the bill paying tradition. I even got in on the action when I could afford it. But every night out it was, "oh, here we go!" and the table next to us is erupting in this battle for the bill. The good intentions are obvious, I guess. Maybe becoming watered down to a display of status by the rich kids? I was in BJ and Shanghai so no doubt I was hanging around the nouveau riche.

Anyway, I love both cultures. Best times of my life in China and Japan.

I agree with you about the "Chinese-Canadian" thing. I grew up in Vancouver. I have dozens of "CBC" friends. They are as Canadian as my WASP ass, but funnier. I don't know what it is but theres a dry wit amongst these guys that's notable. Smarter, I'd say. Chinese educational ethic that comes from their parents where us white kids were given up on.
 
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Didn't know the teachings of Confucius had a hand in the bill paying tradition. I even got in on the action when I could afford it. But every night out it was, "oh, here we go!" and the table next to us is erupting in this battle for the bill. The good intentions are obvious, I guess. Maybe becoming watered down to a display of status by the rich kids? I was in BJ and Shanghai so no doubt I was hanging around the nouveau riche.
There is a Chinese term that literally translates into "saving face". It's deeply rooted into the culture. It's essentially the social custom that if someone provides you with hospitality or a gift, it's your duty to return the favour equally or better than what you were given to save face. To not do so is a faux pas and suggests that you are economically and socially inferior. How this has translated over the centuries is folks spending more money and resources than they can afford just to keep up with the Jones (or to be more accurate, Wong's, Chan's, Li's etal). This explains why you see a lot of Chinese with flashy cars, big houses, gaudy bright gold jewelry and the latest in techno gadgets. It is also explains the importance many Chinese place on their kids having the "respectable" jobs such as doctor, lawyer, accountant, engineer.

"Saving face" was definitely an important cultural element to my parents. While they were generous, they always managed to live well below their means. They found the flashing money part very distasteful. I remember at a party about 15 years ago when an old acquaintance of my Dad's arrived late and made sure that everyone saw him pull up in his brand-new Mercedes S-Class. He started talking to my Dad and ask him to guess how much he paid for the car. My Dad new it was in the six figures, but answered "I don't know, about $40,000".
 

viper99

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There is a Chinese term that literally translates into "saving face". It's deeply rooted into the culture. It's essentially the social custom that if someone provides you with hospitality or a gift, it's your duty to return the favour equally or better than what you were given to save face. To not do so is a faux pas and suggests that you are economically and socially inferior. How this has translated over the centuries is folks spending more money and resources than they can afford just to keep up with the Jones (or to be more accurate, Wong's, Chan's, Li's etal). This explains why you see a lot of Chinese with flashy cars, big houses, gaudy bright gold jewelry and the latest in techno gadgets. It is also explains the importance many Chinese place on their kids having the "respectable" jobs such as doctor, lawyer, accountant, engineer.

"Saving face" was definitely an important cultural element to my parents. While they were generous, they always managed to live well below their means. They found the flashing money part very distasteful. I remember at a party about 15 years ago when an old acquaintance of my Dad's arrived late and made sure that everyone saw him pull up in his brand-new Mercedes S-Class. He started talking to my Dad and ask him to guess how much he paid for the car. My Dad new it was in the six figures, but answered "I don't know, about $40,000".
do jp ppl fight for the bill?

i went out with a few jp overseas esl girls and when i pay for the movie as i got up the esclator they bringo out their wallet and ask how much i owe them-liking paying back. this happens 3 times with 3 different jp girls
another time with restaurant with another jp girl. we eat and i pay for it all as we exit the place she ask me how much i owe her and bring out the cash literally
also they never care what movie or restaurant you eat at. you can say lets watch transformers and eat at pho viet and they never object or say i dont want to. they just follow you
i find with korean girls and cbc chinese they object if they dont want to

your take on this
 

viper99

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This may be totally unfair to say as it's just one guys take on things, but my experience living in China showed me that they like to flaunt status symbols to the point of absurdity. The cell phone thing was ridiculous, and the 'always fighting to pay the bill' at the restaurant thing was bizarre. Then I find out the dude who insisted on picking up the tab for 12 people didn't eat for days after...

My time with Japanese people (married to one for five years, and had some high school friends) showed they constantly played down the possibility that they had money, to the point it was almost insulting because I knew for sure they had TONS of dough as I'd seen the cars and houses and what not, yet I was supposed to believe that they were simple working folk. Maybe they were just worried I was a gold digger going after their daughter. I wasn't, but I had high hopes!
but then most of the jp esl ppl i see in dwtn vancouver dress so nice and fasionable and up to style. like all of them.

i think its only the hk chinese who show off their money and wealth. is it also the mainlanders too.

do you now if koreans show off their wealth too
 
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