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Charges against Vice-Admiral Norman dropped!

Jethro Bodine

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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/cana...norman/ar-AAB4Blo?li=AAggNb9&ocid=mailsignout

https://winnipegsun.com/opinion/col...acks/wcm/df2f9c8e-1757-464d-9f3d-f93bf6b6b18b

These charges should never have been brought. This was Trudeau and Scott Brison being pissed off about having to honour a contract awarded by the previous Harper Government over a long time Liberal donor (Irving Shipbuilding).
Once again the Trudeau Liberal Government gets caught using the Public Prosecution Service of Canada as a tool to do it's political bidding.

“By all appearances,” one of Norman’s lawyers told the trial judge in February, “this is a more direct influencing of the prosecution … the Prime Minister’s Office, via its right arm the PCO, is dealing directly with the PPSC (Public Prosecution Service of Canada). And the prosecution service is allowing this to happen.”
The presiding judge was not impressed. “So much for the independence of the PPSC,” declared Judge Heather Perkins-McVey.


They realized that at some point they were going to have to hand over certain documents to Norman's defence team, which would unveil all of their dirty dealing. All of which would come out in a trial starting in August and running into the next Federal election.
Now of course we the taxpayers are having to foot Norman's legal bills as well as all the expenses of the prosecution, not to mention the million dollar defamation award Normal will likely win in the future.
 

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The departure of LGen Leslie from the Liberal cesspool caucus was going to sink the Trudeau boat. He was standing with his comrades. I don't know why he wasn't Minister of National Defense. Wouldn't suck up? Will LCol Sajjan do the same? The unfortunate piece is all the details will not likely come out.
 

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This was a steaming pile right from the get-go.

Bigger than SNC/Lavalin. Hopefully a few well-placed leaks happen again. The Liberals just can't seem to not be corrupt.
 

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... Now of course we the taxpayers are having to foot Norman's legal bills as well as all the expenses of the prosecution, not to mention the million dollar defamation award Normal will likely win in the future.
Yeah, I'm not happy about having to pay my share of that bill. Despite that, I hope Norman gets a fair settlement, even though I have to pay my part of it. The government thought they could just trample on him and no-one would care. I'm thankful that he fought back and that enough people cared.
 

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You gotta hand it to Norman for staying the course when faced with a Govt who chose him as the fall guy. Listening to the Winnipeg Press podcast laid out the history of this clusterfuck. It sounds like they randomly chose Norman but his rank made him the likely candidate.

So the Libs were prepared to take an $89M hit to payoff the winning bid in favour of their Liberal chosen builder. Then they tried to ruin financially Norman's family. I hope the pending lawsuit payout to Norman is huge.
 

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The whole case should never have gone to an actual trial. I always thought so, and frankly even if V-A Norman did do something wrong (which I doubt), there are a lot of better ways they could have played this. Instead, they chose the worst possible move.

You could see they wanted to punish Norman for (allegedly) leaking info to Davie shipyards and the media, and if he actually broke some sort of internal secrecy code, that's legit. But really, it always seemed like the offense, in the Liberals' mind, was not leaking sensitive information itself, but rather exposing how Scott Brison was acting as Irving shipyards' agent on this issue.

One interpretation (theirs) was that Norman was close to an exec at Davie, but Brison was closer to Irving, and frankly in the military procurement circles, everyone knows everyone. A lot of the brass still in uniform have jobs lined up with big contractors or as consultants or whatever, for their pos-military careers. Some others, like Sajjan or Andrew Leslie, go into politics (there are ex-military Liberal, Conservative, and even NDP MP's right now). So anyone who says that military and political and business interests should each keep to themselves will be disappointed in the incestuous reality in Ottawa. The "development hell" that most procurement projects go through is infamous.

The supply ship replacement project is one of the most infamous in the whole Canadian military - a project whose planning went back to the early Chretien era, that underwent so many conceptual changes it looked like a decision would never be made. Martin and then Harper took over and still the project went on and on. Finally a decision was made, awarding the contract to Seaspan in North Van. Irving got the largest shipbuilding contract, for the major warships, and Davie got nothing. But due to the volume of work going to Irving and Seaspan, it was understood at the time of announcement that Davie was unofficially promised to get the next Navy or Coast Guard project that took place.

Meanwhile the two existing Navy supply ships were getting too old to go on, and after a fire hit one and a collision damaged another, the Navy was suddenly left with zero supply ships to support their operations. They had to scramble to create new interim supply ships, because the fully militarized ones were still many years away from being completed. (Seriously, even as zero actual progress was happening, the local Conservative MP re-announced it at Seaspan, with a photo op, like 5 times). That's why Davie got the contract: it was an emergency, they needed supply ships ASAP, and they didn't want Irving or Seaspan to takes their focus off the projects they were already working on (and cause even more delays with those).

Makes sense, right? Everyone was cool with that idea, right? WRONG.

Irving immediately set about trying to undermine the Davie contract, calling press conferences and threatening lawsuits and whatnot, because the Davie contract was sole-sourced never considered any other bidders. (Not that Irving wasn't also way behind schedule on the patrol ships and frigate contract it already had.) As the Harper government was going down in flames (thank fuck for that) and the Trudeau government is newly sworn in, Irving thought it was a great time to pressure the new government to reverse the Davie decision, hoping for a 180 degree turn like with the F-35. Except that project was already mired in self-inflicted trouble; this one was expedited on a "the Navy needs a ship like RIGHT FUCKING NOW" basis. Irving - likely fronted by Scott Brison - sent out a sneaky letter to every new cabinet minister, with the idea that the Davie supply ship project should be paused for review (which would hopefully result in Irving being a new bidder, or kill the project entirely, which might kill of Davie shipbuilding as a company).

V-A Mark Norman - head of the Canadian navy, of course found out about this backroom attempt to snuff out the Davie project, and if the case against him is to be believed, leaked the cabinet-level letter both to Davie and the media. Anyone who's anyone could of course see Irving shipbuilding's fingerprints all over it. The issue blew up, and the Trudeau government had to back down. Irving was thwarted, and Scott Brison was shamed. The interim ships built by Davie went ahead, and got built on budget and on schedule; one of them, the Asterix, is already in service today. Yay, Mark Norman, saving the navy from political interference that would have crippled them for years, right?

FUCK NO. The Libs (well at least some of them) were butthurt about how Norman had interfered with the interference. So in came the cops and prosecutors, and eventually they charged Norman. The case was as clear as bilge water. Norman goes to court, and the government side basically withholds any and all documents that might have shown the entire picture of what was really going on - not just Trudeau-era stuff, but Harper era information too. On that alone, the case might have been tossed out by the judge, for preventing the defendant from mounting any sort of defense.

However, it seems the case rapidly began to crumble when Scott Brison suddenly buggered off back home (to avoid having to be questioned on his conduct ?), then Jody Wilson Raybould got demoted then ousted by the Trudeau government over SNC-Lavalin ; and finally Andrew Leslie (once in charge of the army) decided to not run for MP again and was going to testify on V-A Norman's side. Suddenly the case became unwinnable to the prosecutors dropped it? It was never going to work anyway, and the Trudeau government would have likely lost the case outright, becoming even more humiliated right before the election campaign.

Take note folks of what Norman's lawyer said in her statements today: the people that defense lawyer Henein blamed for the decision to make Norman the patsy in all this were Gerald Butts and Michael Wernick - the same pair of unelected insiders who pressured Raybould over the SNC-Lavalin case. The third part of the political pressure triangle in that case was the Treasury Board, which was led until recently by MP Scott Brison.

So what we have is the same few guys - all of whom were plugged more heavily into the PMO than most cabinet ministers and all backbench MPs, who just didn't respect the political / prosecutorial boundary, and I'll bet guided the PM towards some very bad judgments on issues, particularly when it comes to punishing people who stand in the way of backroom lobbying efforts.

They're all gone now - but the damage is done. The problem for the Liberals is that they burned a lot of bridges with their own caucus members, to say nothing of the public.

I don't want that Harperite goofball Andrew Scheer winning the next election, because frankly, the Conservatives have shown no sign of learning anything from when they lost power. If anything, they have since doubled down on all the worst shit that Harper did.

But despite all that, the Cons are laughing while the Libs self-destructing. If the Liberals keep fucking up, bleeding out from self-inflicted wounds, they can soon blame the bad judgement of the PMO for being the reason their own support collapsed and led this country back into tyranny and disaster.

If this was the UK or Australia, I think Trudeau would have been dumped in a caucus revolt, and they would fight the next election with someone else in the cabinet who has a totally different style, like Ralph Goodale. But many commentators have noted that such revolts are nearly unheard of in Canada, where the party leaders have a veto on nominations that can kill any MP or candidate's career.


TL;DR: I'm glad for this result; the case against Norman was beyond weak and he was basically being prosecuted for stopping a scheme which would have screwed the Navy for years.
 

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VAdm Norman should receive compensation from the Liberal Party of Canada, except they have no money. I have no issue with the taxpayer paying for this one.
 

Jethro Bodine

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VAdm Norman should receive compensation from the Liberal Party of Canada, except they have no money. I have no issue with the taxpayer paying for this one.
You're right. In he grand scheme of things even a few million bucks is a drop in the bucket compared to the billion dollar deficits this government is ringing up.
Heck if we can afford to give $250 Million to China for their infrastructure (even though our roads here in Winnipeg resemble post WWII Berlin in many cases), Norman deserves all he gets.
I just hope that this issue stays front and center during the election.
I have feeling that Marie Henein is not done with Trudeau and if he thought JWR was a particularly difficult foe, he has not seen anything yet.
Regardless of your political stripe, this and Lav Scam demonstrate that this particular government has no business governing.
Vote NDP, Green, Conservative or for the Nudist Party for that matter but Trudeau has got to go.

Cheers
J
 

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like Ralph Goodale.
replace the shiny new toy with someone who should have been punted 30 yrs ago, yeah, that'd help, lol



VAdm Norman should receive compensation from the Liberal Party of Canada, except they have no money. I have no issue with the taxpayer paying for this one.
they have plenty of money to be able to pay for this, despite having a corrupt leader they are still raising millions in donations
 

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...Ralph Goodale...
Ralph, who has been an MP for so long, doesn't even know what a real job is anymore. He first came to Parliament in 1974 at age 24. He is only in cabinet because he is the only Liberal MP from Saskatchewan.
 

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All I can is this is just another example of how corrupt the Trudeau government is.The Lavscam scandal story broke and it was the Lieberals trying to put humpty dumpty back togeather again.First it was PM Zoolander saying the story was completely false and incorrect and it just went downhill from there.

When the lead prosecutor was asked if there was any "preasure" for the staying of the charge she had no comment......yeah in other words there was preasure and it got applied like a full nelson.The Lieberals are still reeling and punch drunk on the ropes from their own fuck up on Lavscam the last thing they wanted was this going to trial in the lead up to the next election.....not when they would get their balls fed into a wood chipper and lose the court case and all of the sordid details would become public knowledge.

Apply the preasure and sweep it under the rug.....dont want to have Canadians informed by a nasty court trial just how corrupt the current government is just before an election.

SR
 

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All I can is this is just another example of how corrupt the Trudeau government is.The Lavscam scandal story broke and it was the Lieberals trying to put humpty dumpty back togeather again.First it was PM Zoolander saying the story was completely false and incorrect and it just went downhill from there.

When the lead prosecutor was asked if there was any "preasure" for the staying of the charge she had no comment......yeah in other words there was preasure and it got applied like a full nelson.The Lieberals are still reeling and punch drunk on the ropes from their own fuck up on Lavscam the last thing they wanted was this going to trial in the lead up to the next election.....not when they would get their balls fed into a wood chipper and lose the court case and all of the sordid details would become public knowledge.

Apply the preasure and sweep it under the rug.....dont want to have Canadians informed by a nasty court trial just how corrupt the current government is just before an election.

SR
Everybody should understand that politicians express the view of the last person that the politician talked with. You can't expect a politician to come off looking square with anyone until the legislation is passed and by that time it might be too late. Laws are often unfair and often end up not targeting the problem originally intended. Waste of time to dis the politician when you should be going after the law. Even though it's difficult addressing a law that resides in what amounts to a far off and distant land. My taking about the folly of centralized authority.

P.S. SR, you incorrectly spelt "pressure" 3 times.
 

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Sorry-- Davie is in Quebec and Irving is in NB/NS. Politics right there. But you can't mention the Quebec part..... not in a Liberal defence.......
 

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Aaaand while the Liberal caucus gives a full apology to Norman, Justin is nowhere to be seen absenting himself from the HOC just a few minutes before, using the excuse he has to meet with the Croatian President. Although he loves apologizing for things that he has no responsibility for he has had lots of opportunites to do this for Norman but thus far has refused to do so.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/pol...e-mps-unanimously-pass-motion-apologizing-to/
 

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Aaaand while the Liberal caucus gives a full apology to Norman, Justin is nowhere to be seen absenting himself from the HOC just a few minutes before, using the excuse he has to meet with the Croatian President. Although he loves apologizing for things that he has no responsibility for he has had lots of opportunites to do this for Norman but thus far has refused to do so.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/pol...e-mps-unanimously-pass-motion-apologizing-to/
Nice link BTW.....I got the basic gist of this and this article really fills in the backstory.

My take on it is Trudeau ducks out/fucks off/leaves Dodge just before the vote takes place and buggers off to Hamilton for a photo op and to campaign on the tax payer expense whilst pressing the flesh with some minority group.


Is that what your view point is?

SR
 

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Check your closet..:)
Now that's very classy as well.......

Also missing from the House during the vote was Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan, who expressed regret for what happened to Vice-Adm. Norman on CTV’s Question Period Sunday but did not go as far as apologizing. Mr. Sajjan’s office said he left the House because he had “a previously scheduled engagement.”
 

Hugh Jass

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Nice link BTW.....I got the basic gist of this and this article really fills in the backstory.

My take on it is Trudeau ducks out/fucks off/leaves Dodge just before the vote takes place and buggers off to Hamilton for a photo op and to campaign on the tax payer expense whilst pressing the flesh with some minority group.


Is that what your view point is?

SR
Well yeah. Justin loves to apologize, he even apologized to Omar Khadr but when it comes to a Canadian who has served his country at a high level in the military for decades who was wrongly charged, personally smeared, and driven to the brink of financial ruin needing a GoFundMe account to finance his legal fees by his own government you would think he would make certain he would be in the forefront of those apologizing. But instead he and his Defence Minister find excuses to cut and run.

Yes the government has offered to pay his legal fees but the charges were stayed, not withdrawn and the case could be reopened anytime within a year plus the Liberals have not yet made it clear exactly how much of his fees they will pay.
 

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Well yeah. Justin loves to apologize, he even apologized to Omar Khadr but when it comes to a Canadian who has served his country at a high level in the military for decades who was wrongly charged, personally smeared, and driven to the brink of financial ruin needing a GoFundMe account to finance his legal fees by his own government you would think he would make certain he would be in the forefront of those apologizing. But instead he and his Defence Minister find excuses to cut and run.

Yes the government has offered to pay his legal fees but the charges were stayed, not withdrawn and the case could be reopened anytime within a year plus the Liberals have not yet made it clear exactly how much of his fees they will pay.
Yeah Justine loves to apologize and shed crocodile tears and hand over 10 million to a convicted terrorist but when it comes to veterans "they are asking for more than Canada can afford right now".....pretty disgracefull.....what can you expect from a disengenious prick who lives a life of entitlement.

SR
 
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