Cdn Protests on Isreali - Palestine conflict

[80watts]

People have a right to protest whether for or against. But look at this from other points of view.

What the fuck can Canada do? It can't peacekeep in Palestine, it virtually has no type of air defense for air attacks or for rockets or artillery to counter the fire for any troops sent to protect the civilians. So a military option is out. An economic one is out too. So really Canada won't be able to do much. Canada dosen't have the economic or military muscle to have a say.

So why are people protesting in Cdn cities? I don't really know why, I can guess that they are shit disturbers.

The problem I see with these protests is that these people protesting are dragging the conflict in Isreal/Palestine, here to Canada.

Also changing world politics are happening where the US is losing its influence across the world.

So the main problem is the Isreali need for more space. Same with the Palestinians. So why dosen't Isreal, make rod plants, using solar engery and produce water and pump it to the Sinai Penisula where there is room to expand.

 

[Big Dick Bob]

In the past, Canada lead the way on the world stage when it came to peacekeeping. That went down the toilet when Stephen Harper was in power.

As a result, Justin Trudeau gets to make a bunch of half ass statements over how saddened he is about this situation in the Middle East.

 

[carvesg]

People are protesting to get the government to change their way of thinking and rhetoric, first at home and secondly at the international level. Lobbying , push back call it what you want. Will it change anything ? maybe not ...

But the status quo has not worked either .

Two sides entrenched as they are with unrealistic expectations and goals will never get a peaceful result.

 

[Anarchist]

People are protesting to get the government to change their way of thinking and rhetoric, first at home and secondly at the international level. Lobbying , push back call it what you want. Will it change anything ? maybe not ...

But the status quo has not worked either .

Two sides entrenched as they are with unrealistic expectations and goals will never get a peaceful result.

The US would not be happy if Canada got involved due to the fact they are providing Financial Aide too Israel, if there should be a protest it should be in the UK due to the fact that the British allowed such a action to occur. There is alot of things you can do, you can also opt to not support the economy of Israel by purchasing their exports, supporting their Franchises.Which ones you may wonder or ask. Self research must be done.

 

[grusse]

I'm not optimistic that this thread is going to have a long life,lol.

 

[badbadboy]

I'm not optimistic that this thread is going to have a long life,lol.

One got locked up yesterday. Just like the conflict itself, there is no middle ground.

 

[carvesg]

One got locked up yesterday. Just like the conflict itself, there is no middle ground.

Exactly ! People interested in that conflict are for the most part emotionally involved and can not see a middle ground . Like in any conflict there is one to find .

Israel and the Jewish population comprise in it is not going anywhere and the Palestinian population neither . So they should come to that realisation at one point but it's taking them time , while hoping the other side will flinch and cave which won't happen . Both sides have tried to drive a wedge in each other relationships with the super powers and allies for decades to no avail .

People up here should keep a cool head when discussing the Israelo Palestinian conflict and this thread might survive.

 

[westwoody]

I don’t mind people disagreeing if they can present a decent argument.

When they start making personal insults and quoting spurious sources the debate is lost.

Debating should be a mandatory course in high school.

 

[80watts]

One of the products Isreal provides is security systems and missle technology. They took the left over tech from America and France (from the 60s) and built their own industry in the 70,80 and 90s. They had satelites way before Canada did.
Take a look at the google map of Isreal and see how green it is.
Take alook at South Korea, and its economy.
Countries in a bind, usually given time usually support themselves.

 

[Anarchist]

Everyone in this feed is correct, there is more than one point of view. It would be good if they came to a peaceful conclusion. This would hopefully open eyes and end the second longest opression as well: the Chinese occupation in Tibet.

 

[JimDandy]

and end the second longest opression as well: the Chinese occupation in Tibet.

Agreed. Canada should support the following:

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/full-blown-boycott-pushed-beijing-olympics-1.6029337

JD

 

[LLLurkJ2]

The whole thing is: my imaginary sky daddy is better than your imaginary sky daddy. Lets kill children and innocents to prove it, and terrorize the bystanders.

Even better, Iran and the US get to fight a war with other peoples bodies.

 

[westwoody]

The whole thing is: my imaginary sky daddy is better than your imaginary sky daddy. Lets kill children and innocents to prove it, and terrorize the bystanders.

Not at all.
Most true Muslims consider both Jews and Christians "People of the Book". All three major religions trace back to Abraham.
I know lots of Muslims and most are not anti Semitic, they are anti Israel.

The current situation started with the displacement of people living in the area to make room for a floods of Israeli settlers. There were ads calling for settlers with the message "Israel, a land with no people, and the Jews, a people with no land". This was blatantly dishonest as there were already lots of people there.

The Palestinians are mad about losing their land to an expansionist Israel, it has nothing to do with religion. Netanyahu and co. want to frame the Palestinians as religious fanatics in order to discredit them.

 

[LLLurkJ2]

Not at all.
Most true Muslims consider both Jews and Christians "People of the Book". All three major religions trace back to Abraham.
I know lots of Muslims and most are not anti Semitic, they are anti Israel.

The current situation started with the displacement of people living in the area to make room for a floods of Israeli settlers. There were ads calling for settlers with the message "Israel, a land with no people, and the Jews, a people with no land". This was blatantly dishonest as there were already lots of people there.

The Palestinians are mad about losing their land to an expansionist Israel, it has nothing to do with religion. Netanyahu and co. want to frame the Palestinians as religious fanatics in order to discredit them. View attachment 22332

You are correct, but the settlers are not secular - they tend to be othradox and feel they have divine right. Hamas(Iran) is not secular either - what is their exact issue with Isreal? Would they stop if the stolen land was returned, or persist until the unbelievers were deiven into the sea?

The palastinians are being used as pawns by all sides as a proxy.

 

[Roger321]

War crimes, nasty fuckers killing women and children. The Israelis undertaking a reign of terror. While the world blushes and shamefully stands by.

 

[80watts]

What's that golden rule.... Do unto others before they can do unto you......

 

[westwoody]

Hamas(Iran) is not secular either - what is their exact issue with Isreal?

So who fights for the Palestinians?

Posting online petitions is not fighting.
Making politically correct statements is not fighting.
Marching in demonstrations in downtown Toronto is not fighting.
So that leaves....Hamas. And Iran. Nobody else.
As Israelis themselves say, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Hamas would have little or no support if there was no conflict. For now, every time an Israeli bomb or tank kills a Palestinian child Hamas gains new recruits.
Meanwhile Israel is in an existential crisis. The birthrate of Arabs living in Israel is outpacing the Jews. It will be interesting to see if Israel starts expelling Arab citizens to preserve its Jewish majority.

There is a good case that this latest violence is being staged by Netanyahu for political gain.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

There is a good case that this latest violence is being staged by Netanyahu for political gain.

And why is that fucker not in jail. I mean he has been indicted and blamed for more shit than dRumpF.

 

[The Foreigner]

 

[The Foreigner]

Let's look at the map above. It shows pre 1945 era too. You can see a nation stolen. When someone says that a particular region in a country "weren't inhabited by anyone" so it doesn't belong to that nation-state is like saying that some parts of BC, MB and ON are uninhabited right now so a foreign nation can come and claim it. Palestine was an independent country before Jews led by the British and the Americans during and after WW2 were brought there. US and UK being the victors of the war declared whatever they wanted in the UN in 1948. It's not like anyone could do anything against their will.

If you really accept international treaties you can never ignore the 1967 treaty. Israel never respected that treaty either and just began kicking out Palestinians from their homes and moving in the israeli settlers, building illegal settlements against the law and called those people who were defending their homes from illegal's occupiers "terrorists". Even the UN has always been against that.

The absurd notion that israel being so considerate telling where they are bombing and Hamas telling people not to leave their homes and they accept is pure nonsense and is the real propaganda. Let's be honest, people who have no sympathy and remorse for violent killing of men, women and children and blame it on their own doing are just racist. You would've never said that if this genocide were to happen in a European country.

So far more than 200 civilians are dead, 100 of them are kids in span of a week. How can anyone call this propaganda, not be saddened by this and not condemn those who are doing this is beyond me.

I agree with the friend above who said that there is clear right and wrong here. When some foreign people are brought to your country and occupy your land and steal it away from you, You have the right to defend yourself by means of rockets or anything else. those who have occupied this nation and indiscriminately bomb people's homes and killing them are to be condemned not those who are defending themselves against the occupiers.

Now, The Palestinians are good with the 2 state solution. It's Netanyahu and company who are opting to wipe out Palestine totally (It's been close to 80 years they haven't succeeded yet).