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LOS ANGELES — The Vancouver Canucks got a sure thing. And for the iron-clad guarantee that defenceman Keith Ballard offers, Canuck general manager Mike Gillis paid a severe price.

Gillis traded his first-round draft pick Friday – Vancouver's only at-bat in the annual National Hockey League talent lottery's first three rounds – and good prospect Michael Grabner to the Florida Panthers to obtain Ballard, a 27-year-old defenceman who will go to war for the Canucks for the next five seasons.

The deal was a shocker because Gillis has stated numerous times his firm belief in drafting and developing players. Now he faces the real likelihood today, when rounds 2-7 of the draft occur at the Staples Center, that he will be the first GM in Canuck history to come home empty-handed from the first three rounds.

But he has Ballard, who is as good as any free agent defenceman who'll be available on July 1. Of course, all they cost on July 1 is money.

“We made the decision this was something we really had to do,” Gillis said. “We know Keith Ballard can step into our lineup and play big minutes. When you have the Hart Trophy winner [Henrik Sedin] on our team and six 25-goal scorers, it really changed our viewpoint about where we are.

“We feel that we have a number of young development players. We've signed a number of college free agents. Our pick was at the end of the first round and we didn't feel there was a player there who'd be able to help us for a number of years. We're trying to get as close as we can to the Stanley Cup final today, and you can't have enough top-quality defencemen, so that's why we decided to make the deal.”

Gillis was able to unload in the trade frustrating winger Steve Bernier and his $2-million-US salary, and took on fringe Panther prospect Victor Oreshkovich, a 23-year-old former second-round pick who had six points in 50 games as a rookie this season.

The Canucks had the option to use their first pick and send the Panthers their 2011 first-rounder, but Gillis included the 2010 selection in the trade when two players he coveted, winger Beau Bennett and defenceman Jarred Tinordi, were chosen 20th and 22nd. The Canuck pick was 25th.

Grabner, a 22-year-old drafted in the first round in 2006, appeared finally ready for the NHL after he had 11 points in 20 games late in the season.

With Grabner and the player they didn't pick 25th, the Canucks essentially gave up two of their top eight prospects to get Ballard, who is one season into a six-year, $25.2-million contract. That's $4.2 million per season for a steady second-pairing defenceman who had 28 points in 82 games last year while playing 22:24 per night.

Against the Canucks, Ballard always seemed prominent when he played in the Western Conference for the Phoenix Coyotes, prior to his trade to Florida in 2008 for Olli Jokinen. The Minnesotan, who is 5-11 and 208 pounds, was originally a first-round pick of the Buffalo Sabres in 2002.

Ballard comes highly recommended.

Canuck assistant GM Laurence Gilman held that post in Phoenix when Ballard was acquired by the Coyotes.

“He's a very dynamic defenceman,” Gilman said Friday. “He's a guy who plays in both ends of the rink. He can play on the power play. He's physical, and he's an incredibly competitive player. He is, in our minds, a critical component of a competitive, top-four defence.”

Ballard is similar in many ways to Canuck shutdown defenceman Willie Mitchell, whose looming free agency is clouded by a concussion serious enough the 33-year-old from Vancouver Island missed the final half of the season.

Gillis said Ballard was not acquired to replace Mitchell, and the Canucks still want Mitchell back if he can prove this summer that he is fit.

Gillis denied he has had talks with the Philadelphia Flyers regarding the rights to Smithers defenceman Dan Hamhuis, although other sources insist the Canucks are keenly interested.

The Toronto Maple Leafs continue to shop defenceman Tomas Kaberle, and the free-agent class next week will be headlined by defencemen Zbynek Michalek, Anton Volchenkov and Derek Morris.

Gillis said it was too risky to rely on free agency to fill a vital need for a top-four defenceman. Mitchell will probably play elsewhere next season, and Canucks Kevin Bieksa, Sami Salo and Christian Ehrhoff are eligible to leave as free agents in 2011.

“It's a tremendous risk,” Gilman agreed of waiting for free agency. “The free-agent market for defencemen, in particular, is very small. We feel it was more prudent to make this deal and get this player for five years than it was to gamble that there might be something of similar quality available.”

A lot of teams will be bidding on July 1.

In the short-term, the Canucks are better for Friday's trade. Still, that seemed little consolation to ashen-faced Canuck chief scout Ron Delorme, whose amateur scouting staff – the largest in the NHL – invested thousands of hours preparing for Friday night, then watched other teams choose 18-year-olds.

Asked how Delorme took the news his pick was being traded, Gillis said: “Rough. The line that we use is that your name will still look as good on the Stanley Cup. It's awfully difficult on them. But this, we felt, was a unique opportunity to improve our team and not be at-risk and we decided to take advantage of it.”

The risk, if it materializes, will show up later.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/...eith+Ballard/3203177/story.html#ixzz0rxLTjF6U




The same player who injured his own goalie :

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Bernier was a terrible signing....getting rid of him was great!
 

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Its a good trade. The Canucks problem isn't scoring goals.
Its stopping them. Canucks will still have a good sum of cap space to revamp the D.
 

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the only problem i see with this trade is losing grabner, i think he was going to be good, but ballard is a great defenseman that can help them out, plus he has played 82 gaames 4 seasons in a row, so really in 4 years he probaly has played more games then vancouvers top defenseman put together.
 

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I thought it was a very steep price Gillis paid as it included our first round pick and due the fact we didn't have a second or third rounder, the cupboard of prospects will be thin. If Gillis got Florida's third rounder for example in return as well, then I would like the trade better
 

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I think it is a great trade.
Vancouvers position for first round was at the end of the line , so would not have produced anything that would have given us a boost NOW, and we need a good D-man Now.
Good work Gillis.
 

BJhunter

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No big deal

....other than the fact that we lost another 1st round pick. Doesn't matter our scouting sucks. Someone pls fire Delorme what has he done???

We had no 2nd & 3rd picks, any moron who thinks this management is going to turn this sinking ship around has to check himself to the nearest clinic. Sedin had a flukey season, won't repeat & Luongo's best years are gone.

All Stanley Cup winners have young prospects who made a difference. Who do we have?hope Grabner actually makes a difference so we can get rid of this clown Gillis who offered $20million to Sundin & $4mil to Demitra
 

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Well, if it isn't our resident hockey expert speaking again. Personally I think the old adage that "it is better to be silent and thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubts", applies to bj perfectly.

Your incredible knowledge and insight is always so underwhelming.
 

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BJH is so predictable, isn't he?
Well, if it isn't our resident hockey expert speaking again. Personally I think the old adage that "it is better to be silent and thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubts", applies to bj perfectly.

Your incredible knowledge and insight is always so underwhelming.
 

BJhunter

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Well, let's see here....

BJH is so predictable, isn't he?
One, I proclaimed all season long that despite Sissy's good but not great stats, he won't lead the team far in playoffs. Am I right?

Two, those Canuckleheads&Knuckleheads thought Bieksa was a great signing, Top 4 D, lots of upside....now he's slotted No5! I said back then he's overrated...am I right?

Three, Luongo. Enough said. Am I right?

Four. Sundin. When Gillis offers $20mil for 2 years, that's desperation.

Five. Demitra. See above

six. Naslund is so soft, he'll never lead the nucks to a cup. same for sedin.

and just for Zaig & Karl, I'm calling this one: Hodsgon won't pan out & Scneider won't be much more than a career backup. If he was even half as good as this bandwagon city thinks he is, other teams wouldve traded for him. Heck even the Flyers r going after Nabakov, what does that say?

Give your heads a shake. Our Nucks won't ever do better than what we see as long as you have CH BW KH thinking this useless mindset. Change the makeup of this team!!!
 

Karl Blues

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You remind me of my senile old uncle. You keep saying the same things over and over again. He bores everyone to death and so do you.

If you check my posting history, you will see that I said Luongo was overrated. I never proclaimed Bieksa a top 4 defenceman. In terms of Luongo, any goaltender can get hot over a period of time. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. Maybe Bieksa will improve, maybe he won't. I can't predict the future, unlike you. I can't get into anyone's head, can't tell what they are thinking.

I know 2 things:

1. Anyone who puts people down because of their nationality or colour is a canucklehead. And you have done that time and time again.
2. You will continue with your repetitive, insulting, crappy posts that are designed to piss people off. In english, you will continue to be a troll.

And good GM would never do that.


One, I proclaimed all season long that despite Sissy's good but not great stats, he won't lead the team far in playoffs. Am I right?

Two, those Canuckleheads&Knuckleheads thought Bieksa was a great signing, Top 4 D, lots of upside....now he's slotted No5! I said back then he's overrated...am I right?

Three, Luongo. Enough said. Am I right?

Four. Sundin. When Gillis offers $20mil for 2 years, that's desperation.

Five. Demitra. See above

six. Naslund is so soft, he'll never lead the nucks to a cup. same for sedin.

and just for Zaig & Karl, I'm calling this one: Hodsgon won't pan out & Scneider won't be much more than a career backup. If he was even half as good as this bandwagon city thinks he is, other teams wouldve traded for him. Heck even the Flyers r going after Nabakov, what does that say?

Give your heads a shake. Our Nucks won't ever do better than what we see as long as you have CH BW KH thinking this useless mindset. Change the makeup of this team!!!
 

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Its a good trade. The Canucks problem isn't scoring goals.
Its stopping them. Canucks will still have a good sum of cap space to revamp the D.
I don't think its the D. The D is fine when its not injured. Last season, they lost too many players to injuries like Mitchell, Salo, etc. The depth was not there for other Dmen to step inand take the load. Why wasn't the depth there for Dmen? Its not there when you have to spend $10 million a season for a goalie who was consistently outplayed by much cheaper goalies of the other teams, and chokes on big occasions. To me, this is where the problem lies. Will Gillis admit it? No, he is the one that has his futured tied to Bobby Lu's success.

I think the better thing to do is trade Lu (if they can find a taker), sign a goalie in the $4 million range, spend the other $6 million on a couple of promising or even established Dmen, and improve your D depth that way. A good D will take away some of the quality scoring chances on your goalie, and a $3 to$4 million goalie still has fire in his belly for the $6 million contract.
 
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My gut tells me we're stuck with Lui and i just dont see him leaving at all especially he probably has a no trade clause. Who on earth wanna pay 10 mill next season and be stuck with lui till 2016 or 2017?

Will Gillis admit it? No, he is the one that has his futured tied to Bobby Lu's success.

I think the better thing to do is trade Lu (if they can find a taker), sign a goalie in the $4 million range, spend the other $6 million on a couple of promising or even established Dmen, and improve your D depth that way. A good D will take away some of the quality scoring chances on your goalie, and a $3 to$4 million goalie still has fire in his belly for the $6 million contract.
 

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My gut tells me we're stuck with Lui and i just dont see him leaving at all especially he probably has a no trade clause. Who on earth wanna pay 10 mill next season and be stuck with lui till 2016 or 2017?
That is why I qualify that with "if they can find a taker". Gillis has a history of being in love or fixated with a player, witness Sundin, Lu, etc. If he falls in love with the player he will exhibit lots of patience and throw lots of money their way. This is not unique to him as a GM, so if there is a GM out there who is a secret admirer and closet lover of Lu, they will also be willing to take over his contract. In my opinion, no goalie in the world is worth $10 million per season.

If Gillis has the gonads, he will go to Lu and say, "Dude, u sucked when we needed you, especially in the post season. How about we re-work your contract, u take less money, and we spend the diff on getting some real depth in the D?" Will that happen? No. Its just a fantasy, like me with Very Veronica, Sandy Laine, and Billionairess all at once. :)
 

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anyone who thinks we should get rid of lou obviously knows fuk all about hockey, there would be a line up of teams to take him. even with his high price.
he needs what gillis IS doing and that is putting some real defence in front of him. Chicago admitted the hardest team the had in playoffs was canucks and that was without a D.
Mitchell will never be seen again in a canuck uniform , Salo is near the end of his carreer and Ballard is a great deal. Go Canucks Go ! and fuk the negitive whinners!!!
 

Hoops

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Luo's salary is 10mil next yr, however, his cap hit is 5.3 mil which is perfectly reasonable for a top 10 goalie in the league.
A team can still win with that cap hit in goal.
THEY JUST HAVE TO PLAY HIM LESS, SO HE'S RESTED FOR THE PLAYOFFS!
Lundqvist, Ward, Miller, Giguere, Backstrom, Kiprusoff, Vokoun, Huet all have higher cap hits from 6.875 to 5.6 mil
Also, Brodeur, Thomas, Fleury are at 5mil+.

The canucks main problem is to find a #1 defenseman at about 6 mil instead of a bunch of mid-level defensemen at 3.5mil.
 

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the only problem i see with this trade is losing grabner, i think he was going to be good, but ballard is a great defenseman that can help them out, plus he has played 82 gaames 4 seasons in a row, so really in 4 years he probaly has played more games then vancouvers top defenseman put together.
I agree 100% with grabner! He will likely be a sniper in this league...

I would of pushed for Bernier and Beiksa...instead of Grabner.
 
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