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Luke Fox September 26, 2014, 1:35 PM

Score one for the Florida Panthers.

The Vancouver Canucks placed goaltender Jacob Markstrom on waivers Friday, just months after he was acquired by former general manager Mike Gillis as part of the Roberto Luongo trade last March.

The 29 other NHL teams have until 12 p.m. ET on Saturday to claim him.

Markstrom, who served as a backup to Eddie Lack after arriving in Vancouver mid-season, dropped on the Canucks’ depth chart when the team signed No. 1 netminder Ryan Miller as a free agent this summer.

The native of Gavle, Sweden, was acquired by the team, along with forward Shawn Matthias, in exchange for Luongo and forward prospect Steven Anthony. The Canucks also retained a portion of Luongo’s salary in the deal.

“I like Jacob Markstrom. I think he’s a really good young talent in goal,” Gillis told reporters after the trade. “When I look at the return, obviously you want to try and get the absolute best and most that you can get, but there are circumstances that do impact and play a role in these things. And we were impacted by things that were somewhat beyond our control.”

The 24-year-old Swede went 1-2-0 in four appearances with the Canucks in 2013-14, posting a .868 save percentage and 3.00 goals-against average.

Drafted 31st overall by Florida in 2008, Markstrom has amassed a 12-27-5 record and .896 save percentage in his NHL career.

The goalie has one year remaining on a contract that carries a $1.2-million salary cap hit. He is set to become a restricted free agent on July 1, 2015.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks-goaltender-jacob-markstrom-on-waivers/
That's really unfortunate as I was kinda rooting for Markstrom. They might as well try and unload Shawn Matthias and then we can finally forget about Luongo and Gillis. Hopefully they can insert some youth in their lineup i.e., Horvat and Shinkaruk this year and then bring in Virtanen next year.

Another note I really hope Benning can somehow draft or trade for a young stud dman because their prospect pool for a defenseman is pretty bare.
 

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"Canucks place goaltender Markstrom on waivers "

WOW....
Excuse NO: 1 for not winning ...LOL
 

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Wasn't Markstrom the goaltender, that the female baby Jesus, was talking about like the second coming of Christ?
 

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Canucks goalie fiasco a lesson in hubris



Damien Cox September 26, 2014, 4:50 PM

So that’s it, then.

It appears, with goalie Jacob Markstrom going on waivers today, that there will indeed be no big upside for the Vancouver Canucks from trading Roberto Luongo, once the team’s captain and franchise goalie, to the Florida Panthers last March.

It was one of Mike Gillis’s last acts as Canucks GM, and it’s probably good for him that he’s no longer around to answer questions on this particular subject.

Like, how’d you get it so bloody wrong, Mike?

What we do know is that at the end of the 2011-12 season, Vancouver had a successful, veteran goalie available for trade, albeit one attached to a troublesome contract that at that time had nine years left at an annual cap hit of $5.33 million per season, but with some big salary numbers attached in the early years.

Luongo was 33 years old, and had been beaten out, or at least succeeded, by Cory Schneider for the No. 1 goaltending position with the Canucks. It certainly appeared the Canucks, even if they chose to keep Luongo and move Schneider, had a solid starter going forward, and a valuable goalie to trade.

Instead, they ultimately ended up trading both, creating a national hockey soap opera and getting remarkably little in return as the team deteriorated. With Markstrom now out of Vancouver’s plans — they’ll go with Ryan Miller and Eddie Lack at the NHL level — the sum total of the assets required for Luongo and Schneider amount to veteran checker Shawn Matthias and first-round pick Bo Horvat of the London Knights.

That’s not very much at all for two bona fide NHL starters, is it?

Plus, of course, Vancouver is on the hook for 15 percent of Luongo’s contract, which expires in 2022. That’s $800,000 off the cap every year until then, certainly not a fortune, but money that could be used elsewhere. Luongo has four more seasons at a salary of $6.714 million, then the salary drops dramatically after that.

For the Panthers, it ends up being a pretty good deal. They gave up essentially nothing, it seems, to get Luongo, and now pay a cap hit less than 14 other NHL starters for a goalie who might get them to the post-season in the mediocre Eastern Conference, a place they very much need to get to.

At least, it could be argued, the Canucks put an end to an organizational nightmare, which had both Luongo and centre Ryan Kesler desperately wanting out last season as the team plummeted out of the playoffs just three years after being in the Stanley Cup final. New GM Jim Benning didn’t have to deal with Luongo’s situation or his contract, and with new coach Willie Desjardins in place and Kesler off to Anaheim, the Canucks have closed the window of opportunity to win the Cup in the short term and begun rebuilding with youth.

Looking back, it’s easy to say Gillis bungled the entire business, going from being goalie rich to goalie poor with precious little to show for it all. He lost his job, a heavy price to pay.

The 12-year contract signed in September 2009, to start with, was a terrible error, and maybe the Canucks paid an unofficial price (New Jersey paid an official one) for being a party to one of those contracts clearly designed to circumvent the collective bargaining agreement.

The key to the entire debacle was a massive misreading of the market by Gillis, who insisted he could wring major assets out of another club for Luongo at a time when the market was made unstable as the league hurtled towards another lockout.

Still, the Maple Leafs and GM Brian Burke would probably have been willing to pay a significant price to get Luongo at the 2012 draft. They’d missed the playoffs again under Burke, and the change in ownership meant the bombastic executive was being questioned more intensively by the new owners, particularly Bell boss George Cope.

Burke almost certainly would have coughed up one of Nazem Kadri or Jake Gardiner, at that time their two best prospects, along with a first-rounder. Maybe one other asset. But Gillis, who did have to deal with Luongo’s no trade clause, had created an expectation on the Lower Mainland he would be able to get much, much more, and that multiple teams were interested in bidding for the goalie.

By March of 2013, the lockout had changed some of the rules on these contracts, making Luongo’s even more awkward to deal with. Dave Nonis (Gillis’s predecessor, and not a friendly colleague) had replaced Burke, James Reimer was in the process of taking the Leafs to the post-season and a last minute effort by Gillis to move Luongo to Toronto at the trade deadline for next to nothing and with the Canucks paying part of his salary fell apart, leaving the goalie in tears and saying he’d happily rip up his contract just to play elsewhere.

Then, making things even worse, Gillis reversed course and traded Schneider to New Jersey for a first-round pick, hoping Luongo could re-establish himself as an all-star in Vancouver. When Lack started the Heritage Classic at B.C. Place last winter instead of Bobby Lu, however, it was clear that wasn’t going to work either.

All you can really say now is that had Gillis recognized the fix he was in, rather than arrogantly believing he was in a position of strength back in 2012, he either would have built on Toronto’s initial interest and Burke’s desperation to get a goalie or moved Schneider, who probably would have been worth more around the league and to more teams. It would have taken guts to do that, something like Montreal trading away playoff hero Jaroslav Halak to keep Carey Price. Gillis then would have then had the cap room from a Luongo trade or the assets from a Schneider deal to work with going into the lockout, and perhaps the Canucks could have taken another run at the Cup.

Or, he could have swallowed his pride and taken the offer from Nonis in March 2013, which wouldn’t have been appealing but couldn’t have been worse than what he ultimately got from Florida. It would have been a recognition of reality, but terribly embarrassing just the same. Doing that, however, would have at least allowed the Canucks to keep Schneider, and they then could have used the money invested in Miller this summer somewhere else on the roster.

But it didn’t happen that way. Now Markstrom has demonstrated he isn’t the franchise-goalie-in-waiting the Panthers once believed he was, although it’s unclear whether the Canucks actually believed they were getting a potential starter last March when they made the deal or just wanted to end the Luongo mess.

Lots of hockey trades don’t pan out, or backfire. What’s unusual about this one, of course, is that it was really about two trades and about a very talented team, a Cup contender, that frittered away an embarrassment of riches between the pipes. If Horvat becomes a legitimate top-six forward, well, that will at least be something.

It’s a hard lesson about overvaluing assets, about how contracts impinge on the marketability of athletes, and how the hubris of a hockey executive can be his worst enemy.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/on-hubris-and-hockey-trades/
Interesting take by Damien Cox of Sportsnet. Can't believe how Mike Gillis could ever have messed up so badly. When Nonis was let go, he at least supplied Gillis with a core to work with. It seems all Gillis do during his tenure was let the core go stale.
 

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Interesting take by Damien Cox of Sportsnet. Can't believe how Mike Gillis could ever have messed up so badly. When Nonis was let go, he at least supplied Gillis with a core to work with. It seems all Gillis do during his tenure was let the core go stale.
Cox is such a revisionist. It's so easy to criticize in hindsight.
There is no way that the leafs would've given up kadri or gardiner plus a first for luongo.
And even so, Lu wouldnt have allowed the trade to happen. He wanted to go back to florida.

The mistake gillis made was in not trading schneider after 2011.
However, the offers for schneider must have been too low for him to stomache. I don't blame him for waiting, but it was a mistake.
He ultimately had to accept horvat when the lower salary cap forced his hand.
Hopefully horvat goes on to a long career in nux colors.
 

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Cox needs to cool his jets and stop blowing Nonis dick for 5 minutes. His man lust for no nuts has been around for years. He's far worse than tony gallagher and his knob gobbling ways are at heritage legend status here.

Nonis left us with Nothing. He rode on Burke's coat tails for years. To all his NHL Jobs Vancouver, Anahiem Toronto. Just waiting for him to get fired in Toronto so he can take Burke's job in Calgary.

His drafting history is worse than Gillis' ever was and will be. He made trades and deals to bring his university buddies here at the end of their careers and paid them good money while throwing away decent draft choices along the way.

Canucks biggest problem was keeping their pathetic scouting staff built by Burke and Nonuts with No changes by Gillis at all. Then kept the mediocre guys together for as long as they did. Ron Delorme is a hell of a nice guy however, he's not much of a scout and should have NEVER been made head of that department. Thomas Gradin should be the go to guy. Thankfully he's stayed with the association and thankfully they promoted him.

Dave Nonis has and always will be an idiot. Who lucked into a deal (Roberto Luongo) with Mike Keenan for Todd Bertuzzi that's all.


Gillis left us with bare cupboards..lol Many of Gillis' Draft choices are still in the Canucks system.

The Canucks Team that made a Run to the cup Final in 2011 has Burke's fingerprints still all over it. Sure Nonis mad a couple of trades with Players Burke had as the CORE of the team.

Nonis' Drafting History as GM of the Canucks

2007 Entry
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2007 Entry 25 1 Patrick White C Tri-City Storm [USHL]
2007 Entry 33 2 Taylor Ellington D Everett Silvertips [WHL]
2007 Entry 145 5 Charles-Antoine Messier C Baie-Comeau Drakkar [QMJHL]
2007 Entry 146 5 Ilya Kablukov W CSKA Moscow [Russia]
2007 Entry 176 6 Taylor Matson C Des Moines Buccaneers [USHL]
2007 Entry 206 7 Dan Gendur R Everett Silvertips [WHL]

So an Entire draft No 3,4 round pics. Not a Single player 7 years later has played 1 NHL game. This is when guys should be finally breaking into the NHL after a couple of years in the NHL.

2006 Entry
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2006 Entry 14 1 Michael Grabner R Spokane Chiefs [WHL] 283 87 55 142 54
2006 Entry 82 3 Daniel Rahimi D Bjorkloven Jr. [Sweden]
2006 Entry 163 6 Sergei Shirokov R CSKA Moscow [Russia] 8 1 0 1 2
2006 Entry 167 6 Juraj Simek W Kloten [Swiss-A]
2006 Entry 197 7 Evan Fuller C Prince George Cougars [WHL]

Grabner (Whom Gillis Traded to Florida, Who Florida then waived to the AHL only to be claimed by the NY Islanders)

2005 Entry
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2005 Entry 10 1 Luc Bourdon D Val d'Or Foreurs [QMJHL] 36 2 0 2 24
2005 Entry 51 2 Mason Raymond L Camrose Kodiaks [AJHL] 456 99 124 223 140
2005 Entry 114 4 Alexandre Vincent G Chicoutimi Sagueneens [QMJHL]
2005 Entry 138 5 Matt Butcher C Chilliwack Chiefs [BCHL]
2005 Entry 185 6 Kris Fredheim D Notre Dame Hounds [SJHL] 3 0 0 0 2
2005 Entry 205 7 Mario Bliznak C Dubnica Spartak HC [Slovak] 6 1 0 1 0

Bourdon would be a fixture on the blueline had he not died in a Motorcycle accident (RIP LUC)
Mason Raymond the king of turning big circles into bigger at speed then falling down in the corner with the puck.

2004 Entry
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2004 Entry 26 1 Cory Schneider G Phillips-Andover (Mass.) 143 0 6 6 4
2004 Entry 91 3 Alexander Edler D Jamtland (Sweden) 494 58 170 228 287
2004 Entry 125 4 Andrew Sarauer L Langley Hornets [BCHL]
2004 Entry 159 5 Mike Brown R U. of Michigan [CCHA] 337 17 14 31 666
2004 Entry 189 6 Julien Ellis G Shawinigan Cataractes [QMJHL]
2004 Entry 254 8 David Schulz D Swift Current Broncos [WHL]
2004 Entry 287 9 Jannik Hansen R Malmo Jrs [Sweden] 389 61 90 151 174

Jannik Hansen has turned into a valuable 3rd liner. Alex Edler - Thomas Gradin told them at the Table if the canucks didn't draft Edler he was walking out and going to the Red Wings. Cory Schneider will be a good goalie but Bo Horvat will be a player in this league.

Most of Mike Brown's NHL careers have been on OTHER NHL teams.

14 players Drafted (+ 3 with less than 20 games) with 0 NHL experience to this point 2004-2007 so in 4 drafts.

The revisionist History that Nonis left us with anything in the cupboard. Is pure and total BULLSHIT! With the exception of Edler (who Nonis didn't want to draft only at the insistence of Thomas Gradin), and Jannik Hansen.

Schneider (who Gillis turned into Bo Horvat) Grabner are both long gone and so thankfully in Mason "Bambi" Raymond. That's it. Great Cupboard.
Dave Nonuts Trading History as GM of the canucks:

July 2004: Canucks sign Joe DiPenta, Jonathan Aiken, Lee Goren, Wade Flaherty, Jeff Heerema as free agents.

LOCKOUT

August 2005: To New York Islanders: Brent Sopel
To Vancouver Canucks: 3rd round pick in 2006

To Vancouver Canucks: Steve McCarthy
To Chicago Blackhawks: 3rd round pick in 2006

September 2005: To Vancouver Canucks: Craig Darby
To Tampa Bay Lightning: future considerations

October 2005: To Vancouver Canucks: Jozef Balej and a conditional draft pick
To New York Rangers: Fedor Fedorov.

December 2005: To Vancouver Canucks: Maxime Ouellet
To Washington Capitals: 2006 5th round pick (#137-Tomas Zaborsky)

March 2006: To Vancouver Canucks : Sean Brown
To New Jersey Devils : 4th round pick in 2006 (T.J. Miller)

To Vancouver Canucks : Mika Noronen
To Buffalo Sabres : 2006 2nd round pick (Jhonas Enroth)

To Vancouver Canucks: Keith Carney and Juha Alen
To Anaheim Mighty Ducks : Brett Skinner and a 2nd round pick in 2006 (Bryce Swan)

To Atlanta Thrashers: Steve McCarthy
To Vancouver Canucks : conditional 7th round pick in 2007 (Charles-Antoine Messier)

To Vancouver Canucks : Eric Weinrich
To St. Louis Blues : Tomas Mojzis and a 3rd round pick in 2006 (Jonas Junland)

June 2006: To Vancouver Canucks: Roberto Luongo, Lukas Krajicek and a 6th round pick (Sergei Shirokov) in 2006
To Florida Panthers : Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen and Alex Auld

July 2006: Canucks sign UFA's Willie Mitchell, Marc Chouinard, Jan Bulis

To Los Angeles Kings: Dan Cloutier
To Vancouver Canucks: 2nd round pick (Taylor Ellington) in 2007 and a conditional pick in 2009

To Vancouver Canucks: Taylor Pyatt
To Buffalo Sabres: 4th round pick (traded to Calgary to pick Brad Eidsness and Jean-Simon Aillard) in 2007

August 2006: Canucks sign UFA Rory Fitzpatrick

October 2006: Canucks claim Dany Sabourin off waivers.

December 2006: Canucks claim Jeff Cowan off waivers.

February 2007: To Vancouver Canucks: Brent Sopel
To Los Angeles Kings : 2nd round pick in either 2007 (option exercised, Wayne Simmonds)or a 4th round pick in 2008

To Vancouver Canucks : Bryan Smolinski
To Chicago Blackhawks : conditional 2nd round pick ( Akim Aliu)

June 2007: To Vancouver Canucks: Ryan Shannon
To Anaheim Ducks: Jason King and a conditional 3rd round pick in 2009

To Atlanta Thrashers : Jesse Schultz
To Vancouver Canucks : Jim Sharrow

July 2007: Vancouver signs UFAs Byron Ritchie, Brad Isbister, Curtis Sanford, and Aaron Miller

August 2007: To Vancouver Canucks : Zack Fitzgerald
To St. Louis Blues: Francois-Pierre Guenette

January 2008: Claimed Kris Beech off waivers from Columbus.

February 2008: To Vancouver: Matt Pettinger
To Washington: Matt Cooke

NOT A SINGLE PLAYER SIGNED as a UFA or as any free agent, or Traded for during Nonis' Time here is still with the team. Period. What a Great GM.

2 guys still with the team (from draft and a few players moved in trades that became other players still with the team under Gillis.)
Thanks Badge.....wow this is quilte depressing! So with both Nonis and Gillis doing dick all, it's no wonder the Canucks are where they are now. I thought Reggie Houle in Montreal was the worst GM but maybe not. Maybe Wilde could tell us who (Nonis, Gillis and Houle) was the worst GM?
 
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Lines I could see happening:
Forward:
Daniel Sedin • Henrik Sedin • Radim Vrbata
Chris Higgins • Nick Bonino • Zack Kassian
Linden Vey • Shawn Matthias • Alex Burrows
Jannik Hansen • Brad Richardson • Derek Dorsett

Cal O’Reilly or Tom Sestito - The extra forward (s) (None of the youth will be kept)
I think they'll keep Horvat to start the season. He's not a defensive liability at all. Hopefully he lasts more than ten games.

Daniel Sedin • Henrik Sedin • Radim Vrbata
Burrows • Nick Bonino • Zack Kassian
Higgins • Linden Vey • Jannik Hansen
Brad Richardson • Bo Horvat • Derek Dorsett

Sestito and Jensen can play depending on the opposition

It's time to make room for some youth.
I hope they waive Shawn Matthias. He's big but he plays small.
It's too bad there's no room for shinkaruk. Hopefully he plays great in the A and he gets called up when we have some injuries.
 

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I hope I'm wrong and I hope Horvat sticks with the big club, Maybe even Shinkaruk. For that to happen though.
1) Richardson's injury will have to limit him so he goes on IR.
2) The Canucks must decide if they Don't need Tom Sestito (since the now have Dorsett) or Cal O'Reilly and waive them down to Utica. O"Reilly really helped Utica last year. Not only is he the older brother of Ryan O'Reilly of the Avs. but the kid has played for the Penguins, Nashville and in the KHL. He's a Journeyman. Doubtful either would be claimed on Waivers. O'Reilly might though.
3) No spot for Jensen (who has to play he can't sit in the press box) if either of the other kids stay up.

I personally don't think Matthias will be waived down. Also Horvat and/ or Shinkaruk would need to play decent minutes. Not just Sestito minutes to develop. Where are those minutes going to come from?
Horvat will be on the roster for sure to start the season.
I don't think o Reilly has a chance. He's gone.
We need sestito. He's the only heavyweight we have.
Jensen is ready to play in the bigs now. If they don't make room for him on the roster then we are doomed to wallow in the middle of the standings for years. Find out if he can play or move on. Having him on the roster puts much needed pressure on kassian and hansen. Matthias is a non-threat.
Willie has already stated that the sedins will play less and the fourth line will play so there will be more minutes available for all the forwards.
Also it looks like they want to go with four forwards on the powerplay which will add minutes for forwards.
 

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Two pages for a fourth string goalie is insane!!

FFS we haven't even finished pre season yet :nod:

Let's save the rants for the third or fifth losing streak :p

I think it's gonna be a long season in the Lounge with the arm chair quarterbacks. :rolleyes:
 

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Two pages for a fourth string goalie is insane!!

FFS we haven't even finished pre season yet :nod:

Let's save the rants for the third or fifth losing streak :p

I think it's gonna be a long season in the Lounge with the arm chair quarterbacks. :rolleyes:
i dunno, after the calgary dressing room fiasco last year, the players were decidedly 'on strike' against management - or at least the power scorers were

if the players are happy with the changes, then they will perform much better this year. having said that, when you're digging yourself out of a psychological hole, you gotta dig pretty hard and fast once the season starts. the days of team 'slumps' better be over, or they will miss the playoffs again this year
 

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He cleared waivers. Kid needs some serious work with Melanson, but that's to be expected when Florida didn't have a goalie coach for him for 3 years.

It's funny, whenever Peyton Anders or BadgerJohn pontificate, about matters hockey, I always think of the late, great Robert Ackles.
 

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I would really like to see Horvat, Jensen and Shrinkaruk make the team. These three young guys are the future. There won't be room for all three and somebody has to be traded. Any trade value for Hansen or Matthias?? Third round draft pick perhaps? Maybe not now but closer to the end of the trade deadline just before the playoffs
 
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If you read the entire thread triple b. You'll understand that markstrom's waiver wire is the tip of the iceberg especially when that bald headed sports net freak Cox had to waggle his cock holster about it.
That's my point. I read the whole thread well minus your multiple walls of words copy/pasted.

Still, who gives a shit about Markstrom? A throw away / salary dump from FL who had tons of upside potential like so many before him.
 
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