Canucks 2008/09 Edition, 3/4 mark - exceeding expectations!

[BJhunter]

And who did he play with previously? Oh yeah the sadsack NYI and Florida Panthers.

Enough said.

Its a team game. One man can make his team better but he cant drag it kicking and screaming into the playoffs if its riddled with ineptitude. This isnt basketball where one superstar can turn a team around instantaneously.

I must also say that the below statement from another thread amazed me.



HOLY SHIT DUDE YOU ARE ONE WRINKLED OLD FUCKER. LOLOL.

Judging by your behavior, logical reasoning and spelling ability I was expecting someone younger---- much younger--- like 15 years old max.

Instead it appears to be caused by the creeping onset of Alzheimers disease.

I mean, now you are saying you have NEVER JUMPED OFF THE CANUCK BANDWAGON??????


When were you ever on it????

You are so cute! Think Luongo's play w/ Florida and the NYI are excuses? c'mon, everyone here thinks he's so good in la la land, shouldn't Luongo himself carry this team, if he's that good?

He's a lot better than Cloutier; but remember how much the canuckleheads loved him? 3 consecutive 30plus wins, the first for a Nucklehead goalie? and the media just builds him up, and you wandering, lap dogs just feed off it.

Look, Luongo's good, but NOT GREAT. He exactly wasnt that hot of a trade bait back when we made the deal w/ Florida. In comparison, when Colorado got Roy, everyone knew they were going to win the Cup. I can confidently quote Scotty Bowman, then of Detroit, saying, "Montreal just served the Stanley Cup to Colorado".

Luongo? fat chance...look at that stupid bad goal against the Kings, He does that quite a bit but you dinks have a selective memory.

remember that anaheim goal he let in, when he was too busy trying to get a penalty when that Hansen? got rocked along the boards? LOL,...yup, that's the goalie that's going to take us all the way to the Stanley Park parade

 

[BJhunter]

Zerox, how old were you...

Well said.

...when Montreal won the cup in '86? Were they considered heavy favourites? Wasn't Gainey and Robinson past their prime? think Mats Naslund, smurf-like and all, was the key difference? Think Lemieux did more damage, lo...They only won b/c of Roy, plain and simple.

Here's the regular season if you don't believe me; 6 teams had more points than the Habs in the 'Wales Conference', if that makes sense to you, nucklehead. Which means that there wasn't this Top 8, but I used the '6 teams' as a comparison tool for you to realize that Montreal wasn't that 'great', but good

 

[BJhunter]

to a team that only has the Sedins as their top stars outside of Luongo?

Sedins are not considered 'stars'. my standards are obviously higher than a typical Canucklehead like you.

These are a few stars:

1. Gretzky
2. Lemieux
3. Roy
4. Jordan
5. Woods

I'll give you another hint: stars who WIN. who makes their teammates BETTER.

Not like these friggin' swedish meatballs twins, who we have to go OUT OF OUR WAY, to find someone to play with.

Why don't you sit down and THINK back all these years, what a hassle it's been to accommodate them. heck, i'm even willing to go out and say even if they were CANADIAN, no one deserves that much special attention to get a 3rd linemate, for a bunch of whiners who don't know how to WIN.

as long as the Sedins are here, the nucks will NEVER win.

Go ask Don Cherry

 

[trackstar]

Sedins are not considered 'stars'. my standards are obviously higher than a typical Canucklehead like you.

These are a few stars:

1. Gretzky
2. Lemieux
3. Roy
4. Jordan
5. Woods

I'll give you another hint: stars who WIN. who makes their teammates BETTER.

Not like these friggin' swedish meatballs twins, who we have to go OUT OF OUR WAY, to find someone to play with.

Why don't you sit down and THINK back all these years, what a hassle it's been to accommodate them. heck, i'm even willing to go out and say even if they were CANADIAN, no one deserves that much special attention to get a 3rd linemate, for a bunch of whiners who don't know how to WIN.

as long as the Sedins are here, the nucks will NEVER win.

Go ask Don Cherry

As I have stated, this raisin is nothing more than an ass kissing Don Cherry wanna-be "We" have to go out of "Our" way... Stupid old man, YOU"RE NOT ON THE TEAM! Stick with talking hockey nekkid in the locker room with the rest of your raisin team-mates in your old-timers league. You know fuck all about hockey. Repeating the odd negative comment Cherry makes about the Canucks, while leaving out any positive comments he makes (Such as being a big fan of Bieksa) just makes you a bigger tool than you have been in the past.

Luongo not great? No, of course not. All star team selections, Team Canada, Runner-up for how many awards? Oh yeah, unless you're Roy or Marty then you're just average

It's amazing how someone can be seen as a moron by the majority of the hockey fans and a disrespectful pig by most of the ladies on the board would still post on here with such a high and mighty attitude. We get it, you want to cum in in all of the women's faces and hair confused: ) and insult anyone on here that talks about hockey.

Life is winding down for you, you have to gum your food while your dentures are soaking (Does she shuck good cock?), you chafe when you haven't had a diaper change, prune juice is now your cocktail of choice, you have to ask the posters if their sp sucks good cock, as your CPP cheques won't cover the cost of finding out for yourself and you want everyone else to feel as miserable as you do. Aren't you a peach?

 

[trackstar]

You missed the point. Regular season does not mean shit for this topic

I do believe the topic of this thread is Canucks 2008/09 Edition, 3/4 mark - exceeding expectations!

 

[teejay69]

My expectations are not as low as others. With the combination of players we have right now - we should be up there with Calgary. We are not quite at the same level as Boston/San Jose/Detroit/New Jersey.

The chances of having motivated Sedins (contract year), a healthy Luongo (out to prove he can WIN in the playoffs), a major free agent in Sundin and a veteran blue line (no injuries to top 4) will not happen again in a long time.

We are playing better now (versus losing 8 games in a row) but are still having issues that separate us from the top teams. We need better special teams (i.e. penalty killing) - we need to protect the lead and we need to beat teams that are below us in the standings.

For all the good we do in the regular season - it will not mean much without a deep playoff run.

 

[Qtip]

Sedins are not considered 'stars'. my standards are obviously higher than a typical Canucklehead like you.

These are a few stars:

1. Gretzky
2. Lemieux
3. Roy
4. Jordan
5. Woods

I'll give you another hint: stars who WIN. who makes their teammates BETTER.

Not like these friggin' swedish meatballs twins, who we have to go OUT OF OUR WAY, to find someone to play with.

Why don't you sit down and THINK back all these years, what a hassle it's been to accommodate them. heck, i'm even willing to go out and say even if they were CANADIAN, no one deserves that much special attention to get a 3rd linemate, for a bunch of whiners who don't know how to WIN.

as long as the Sedins are here, the nucks will NEVER win.

Go ask Don Cherry

Roy 3rd on your list, above Jordan and Woods. Interesting.

Also interesting how your list contains two possible gamblers too. Where's Kenny Rogers when you need him.

BJhunter you are slippin, the Canucks lost last night to the lowly Kings and no post as of yet.

 

[BJhunter]

It's amazing how someone can be seen as a moron by the majority of the hockey fans and a disrespectful pig by most of the ladies on the board would still post on here with such a high and mighty attitude. We get it, you want to cum in in all of the women's faces and hair confused: ) and insult anyone on here that talks about hockey.

YOU'RE HILARIOUS!!!! Oh, please quit the "gentleman/martyr/good guy image", the "almighty attitude", you really are making me puke. Even some of your canucklehead colleagues love to cum on her face or hair, they just won't admit it Just like the number of PM's i get from SP's who cheerily allow it but asked me to be hush hush about it. You're really more stupid than I thought.

but let's keep girls seperate from all this Nucks therapy that you need.

for that other post, I wasn't ranking the stars actually, i probably would've been better off typing it this way: Woods, Jordan, Gretzky, etc. and include "in no particular order".

Just that other goofball said that the Sedins were "STARS", i almost fell off my chair. even i'm willing to admit that Luongo is a more worthy star!

 

[Arrrg]

Luongo Playoff Performer? Yay or Nay? You're all wrong

I do believe the topic of this thread is Canucks 2008/09 Edition, 3/4 mark - exceeding expectations!

Lol Thanks

My expectations are not as low as others. With the combination of players we have right now - we should be up there with Calgary. We are not quite at the same level as Boston/San Jose/Detroit/New Jersey.

You're telling me that at the beginning of this season, this is exactly what you thought? At the time, we lost nazzy & morrison... we replaced them with Demitra and we're hoping Bernier (who buffalo decided to give up on and buffalo is usually right with their prospects ) was the next Anson Carter. Oh and we got some pluggers...

... Because that's what this topic is about. If the season is starting today, we would have different expectations but that's a different topic altogether.


Now for Luongo, Playoff performer, yay or nay? Well everyone who says yes because of this or no because of that are both wrong. We can't label Luongo yet because simply he's had so little playoff performance. You're wrong for basing your assumption on this first taste of the playoffs and you're wrong for saying he's not because he hasn't gotten anywhere yet (because of shitty prior team and shitty last years team haha). It's still a big unknown and I'm really looking forward to finding out that answer later this year.

Go Canuckleheads Go!

 

[BJhunter]

Luongo not great? No, of course not. All star team selections, Team Canada, Runner-up for how many awards? Oh yeah, unless you're Roy or Marty then you're just average

How many Stanley Cups has Luongo won? to me, that's what defines a 'star'. and please don't get me started about this all-star game, he was so classy to snob his head at it. Last year, not this year, stupid Nucklehead, lol

And which is so typical of a bandwagon or Homer, runner-up or 2nd place means squat to me. It's called having a higher standard of winning, like the Habs, the Yankees, itiger Woods, t's all about the championships. You think it's a victory in itself, eh, in 1994. Compare to the habs when they lost in 93; they sure don't act giddy and satisfied like you, geez louise.

but keep it up, the more you, Ferry, qtip et all come back w/ such lame retorts, I just love giving it back. You guys know I'm right about the Nucks' lame ass history, performance, personnel, etc. that you can't handle the truth.

Or you can't handle my constant criciticism of the Nucks. You bet I cheer for them when I go to the games, it's my hard earned $$$. And most nights, they don't put on the effort of what a championship-calibre team should do. When you have a defence w/ injury prone guys like Salo, taking stupid penalties like Bieksa and Sundin, and the rest, all stay at home variety, yeah, this team can sure go "all the way to the finals, worse teams have..."

Yup, the '2nd is Ok" mentality of a bandwagon/canucklehead

 

[Arrrg]

The problem with your critiques BJH is that you're not critiquing. You're here to incite. You've already admitted that too before so...

In that sense you can never lose on the topic because there's actually no real debate about the topic. It's just who's going to google the deepest and give the best comeback.

 

[aznboi9]

...when Montreal won the cup in '86? Were they considered heavy favourites? Wasn't Gainey and Robinson past their prime? think Mats Naslund, smurf-like and all, was the key difference? Think Lemieux did more damage, lo...They only won b/c of Roy, plain and simple.

Gainey's point production that year was just as good as his previous years. Robinson scored 82 points. Yeah, they must have been past their prime.

Mats Naslund had 110 points and led Montreal in scoring in the playoffs; but you're right, he had no impact.

Here's the regular season if you don't believe me; 6 teams had more points than the Habs in the 'Wales Conference', if that makes sense to you, nucklehead. Which means that there wasn't this Top 8, but I used the '6 teams' as a comparison tool for you to realize that Montreal wasn't that 'great', but good

And 5 Teams had more points than the Canucks in 2007, if you understand that.

Sedins are not considered 'stars'. my standards are obviously higher than a typical Canucklehead like you.

I'll give you another hint: stars who WIN. who makes their teammates BETTER.

Not like these friggin' swedish meatballs twins, who we have to go OUT OF OUR WAY, to find someone to play with.

as long as the Sedins are here, the nucks will NEVER win.

You just proved my point. You say that the 1986 Canadians team is inferior to the 2007 Canucks. And then go out of your way to tear down the only offensive talent that the Canucks had. lol

And we're still supposed to believe your opinion that the 1986 Montreal team that lists all those star players is worse than the 2007 Canucks? That's just too funny.

 

[teejay69]

Lol Thanks

You're telling me that at the beginning of this season, this is exactly what you thought? At the time, we lost nazzy & morrison... we replaced them with Demitra and we're hoping Bernier (who buffalo decided to give up on and buffalo is usually right with their prospects ) was the next Anson Carter. Oh and we got some pluggers...

Both Naslund and Morrison were on the downward trend and there was no way we could afford to sign them without affecting the cap (money is better spent on Burrows, Kesler, Sedin extension, etc). Demitra is an upgrade over Morrison and Naslund (before anyone whines - Demitra has 52 Games - 40 points. Naslund has played 67 Games - 40 points). Also - the dressing room chemistry would have been tough with keeping Naslund.

At minimum - we should be contending for the division - not trying to stay ahead of Columbus, Edmonton and Minnesota (who btw lost Rolston and have not had Gaborik). If one has lower expectations - that is fine - each to their own. I was not saying we had to be Detroit - just stating that we should be closer to Calgary. I am for fighting in hockey but I am not okay with a good regular season followed by yet another first round playoff exit.

Luongo or not - the Canucks simply have not had any playoff success since 1994. Even the Oilers and Flames both made it to Cup Finals since 94.

 

[Arrrg]

At minimum - we should be contending for the division - not trying to stay ahead of Columbus, Edmonton and Minnesota (who btw lost Rolston and have not had Gaborik). If one has lower expectations - that is fine - each to their own.

My expectations certainly have changed over the course of the season, but at the beginning, they were pretty grim.

We lost one last night but we should be able to put together another good string of wins. Not elite teams coming up but desperate ones, and those can be the most dangerous games. All or nothing for those guys! A couple slip ups by the canucks and we'll be right there with them too!

 

[kalel]

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You just proved my point. You say that the 1986 Canadians team is inferior to the 2007 Canucks. And then go out of your way to tear down the only offensive talent that the Canucks had. lol

And we're still supposed to believe your opinion that the 1986 Montreal team that lists all those star players is worse than the 2007 Canucks? That's just too funny.

i think you missed his point completely. he said roy is the reason they won the cup. if luongo can pull that out for the canucks then he can be mentioned in the same league as roy, until then he can only work hard. that's true of any sport. i'm a football fan and until peyton manning won a superbowl he couldn't be mentioned in the same league as tom brady despite have better regular season stats.

whether you like bjh or not, he's got a point - championships define your career, not regular season stats or excuses about how you weren't on right team or didn't have talent around you.

why stop there, life itself is like that: would you rather have success or a reason for failure? second place is the first loser.

 

[trackstar]

championships define your career, not regular season stats or excuses about how you weren't on right team or didn't have talent around you.

Right, because Ray Bourque was a nothing until he went to Colorado in his final season just for a cup ring

 

[aznboi9]

i think you missed his point completely. he said roy is the reason they won the cup. if luongo can pull that out for the canucks then he can be mentioned in the same league as roy, until then he can only work hard. that's true of any sport. i'm a football fan and until peyton manning won a superbowl he couldn't be mentioned in the same league as tom brady despite have better regular season stats.

There's no doubt that Roy was a huge reason for the Habs winning the cup; that's why he won the Conn Smythe. But I don't think that it's a stretch to say that it was helpful having two past and future Norris Trophy winners, two Selke winners, and two 100+ point scorers.

And then to say a team with those kind of weapons is inferior to the 2007 Canucks is just absurd.

Or put another way, put Roy on the same teams that Luongo had in NY and FLA and I think it would be hard to argue that he would be having the same success that he did with Montreal and Colorado.

And I disagree that his point was to say that championships define careers; because, frankly, I think he's already demonstrated that he cannot utilize the complex thought processes necessary to formulate such higher thinking themes. It was simply to take another swipe at Vancouver, insult people on the board and then try to defend his statements with a most absurd line of reasoning.

 

[kalel]

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Right, because Ray Bourque was a nothing until he went to Colorado in his final season just for a cup ring

i think i just got both feet in my mouth with my last comment

but he still went to colorado to complete his career.

 

[kalel]

There's no doubt that Roy was a huge reason for the Habs winning the cup; that's why he won the Conn Smythe. But I don't think that it's a stretch to say that it was helpful having two past and future Norris Trophy winners, two Selke winners, and two 100+ point scorers.

And then to say a team with those kind of weapons is inferior to the 2007 Canucks is just absurd.

Or put another way, put Roy on the same teams that Luongo had in NY and FLA and I think it would be hard to argue that he would be having the same success that he did with Montreal and Colorado.

And I disagree that his point was to say that championships define careers; because, frankly, I think he's already demonstrated that he cannot utilize the complex thought processes necessary to formulate such higher thinking themes. It was simply to take another swipe at Vancouver, insult people on the board and then try to defend his statements with a most absurd line of reasoning.

i think that the thinking in montreal from having won so many championships is different than the thinking in vancouver where coming close is reason to have a fan appreciation day. that, and you sometimes you finish 3rd in your division but your players play better in the playoffs. a fine example of that is claude lemiuex (spelling?). past canucks in recent years have gone missing come playoff time.

me, i don't have anything against the canucks, i just don't celebrate until you've acheived something worth celebrating. i've seen people in life celebrate small victories, and they are entitled to that, i just personally don't.

 

[teejay69]

I am not stating that I am a BJH supporter but people have got to stop taking facts out of context.

1986 Montreal Canadiens Team was finished in the middle of the pack. They had a 40-33-7 Record for 87 Points. The Flyers (110), Capitals (107), Islanders (90) , Nordiques (92) all finished ahead of them in the regular standings. Roy was 23-18 with a 3.35 GAA and .875 SV PCT. Very average at best for the regular season but he found a way to kick it up for the playoffs including a 1-0 shut out victory in game 4. Sure beats any of those Cloutier 30 win seasons.

2007 Vancouver Canucks team finished 3rd in the conference with 105 Points based on a 49-26-7 record. They won the first round - great. But in typical Canuck fashion - they found a way to give up a 2-0 lead at home against Anaheim and could not score more than 2 goals per game. For those looking for a moral victory - I suppose you can take comfort to our losing to the Cup winner and our losing 3 OT games.

That was where the analysis ended so do not try to distract things by bringing up hall of famers etc. Bottom line is that it was Luongo's first playoff run and he did not quite have the same results as Roy but then again - neither did 99% of the other goalies save for a Ken Dryden.

Roy has proven to be a clutch goalie both in the playoffs and in the regular season. Until Luongo can put up respectable playoff numbers (whether it be with the Canucks or with another team in a few years) - he will not be able to be regarded in quite the same manner (similar to the Peyton Manning anaology).