Canucks 2008/09 Edition, 3/4 mark - exceeding expectations!

[Arrrg]

Well mine at least

If I were to point one thing this year that the Canucks delivered to me, it would be entertainment.

Hell at the beginning of the season, I was preparing myself for a tough, heart wrenching year of bottom dwelling, John Tavares sweepstakes competition. My only wish was not to get blown out each game and simply be competitive.

To see them muster up a decent season so far, the side stories, Gilles's unorthordoxed offer, Luongo's first real injury... I'd have to say so far that my overall expectations are far exceeded and I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride as long as I can. Regardless of how far we get into the playoffs, simply making the playoffs ultimately makes Gilles's first season a success in my eyes (Isn't it annoying how he always waits for the result before he answers something? Then saying; I knew this, expected that).

Anyhow, Go Canuckleheads Go!

 

[teejay69]

Must Succeed in Playoffs

However - before anyone hops on the bandwagon - they really need to make a difference in the playoffs. None of the top six forwards and Luongo have done anything. We did win the first round a few years back but the Canucks always seem to lose against the eventual Stanley Cup champion (which was Anaheim that year and in years past - we lost to Detroit).

 

[bcneil]

However - before anyone hops on the bandwagon - they really need to make a difference in the playoffs. None of the top six forwards and Luongo have done anything. We did win the first round a few years back but the Canucks always seem to lose against the eventual Stanley Cup champion (which was Anaheim that year and in years past - we lost to Detroit).

Yeah Luongo has been a total let down in the playoffs.
In the 12 games he has played for the Canucks in the post season, his gaa is 1.77 and his save % is .941.

Its quite obvious he isn't well suited to play in high pressure playoff atmosphere.

 

[Thatotherguy]

Yeah Luongo has been a total let down in the playoffs.
In the 12 games he has played for the Canucks in the post season, his gaa is 1.77 and his save % is .941.

Its quite obvious he isn't well suited to play in high pressure playoff atmosphere.

Hey, until his gaa is 0.00 and his save % is 1.000 he's an over-rated, under-performing bum!

 

[Arrrg]

another thing, we're actually able to score some goals! Remember all the where's the offence going to come from questions?

 

[trackstar]

Yeah Luongo has been a total let down in the playoffs.
In the 12 games he has played for the Canucks in the post season, his gaa is 1.77 and his save % is .941.

Its quite obvious he isn't well suited to play in high pressure playoff atmosphere.

And by those numbers, 2 goals/game is enough to get through. Shouldn't have been an issue, but it was. If the Canucks have success in the playoffs, my bet is it will be the Burrows, Kessler, Johnson, Hordihuck type players that will make the difference. Players that never say die.

 

[BJhunter]

Yeah Luongo has been a total let down in the playoffs.
In the 12 games he has played for the Canucks in the post season, his gaa is 1.77 and his save % is .941.

Its quite obvious he isn't well suited to play in high pressure playoff atmosphere.

Yup, how long Luongo has been in the league, and how many yrs has he been in the playoffs?

Enough said.

 

[bcneil]

Yup, how long Luongo has been in the league, and how many yrs has he been in the playoffs?

Enough said.

So your logic is.....because he hasn't played that many playoff games, that makes him a bad playoff performer. Even those his playoff stats indicate otherwise? Gotcha

 

[Thatotherguy]

Yup, how long Luongo has been in the league, and how many yrs has he been in the playoffs?

Enough said.

Hmm, let's see, for most of his career he had one of the worst teams in the NHL in front of him. Yeah, I can see how his own good playoff performance is outweighed by the fact that for years his teammates let him down and prevented him from having a chance at playing in the playoffs.

 

[BJhunter]

So your logic is.....because he hasn't played that many playoff games, that makes him a bad playoff performer. Even those his playoff stats indicate otherwise? Gotcha

Roy carried an average team to a Stanley Cup in his ROOKIE season.

Luongo had a better team in front of him in his 1st year as a Canuck.

Maybe I have higher expectations that you guys do

Til Loungo puts a few successful run in the playoffs, he's no better than all those other 'good' goalies who put up good numbers in a meaningless, relatively speaking, but do jack all in the playoffs.

Enough said.

 

[2good4you]

Roy carried an average team to a Stanley Cup in his ROOKIE season.

Luongo had a better team in front of him in his 1st year as a Canuck.

Maybe I have higher expectations that you guys do

Til Loungo puts a few successful run in the playoffs, he's no better than all those other 'good' goalies who put up good numbers in a meaningless, relatively speaking, but do jack all in the playoffs.

Enough said.

Here we go again. By BJHunter's f'd up reasoning, Chris Osgood is a shoe-in hall of famer because he's played lots of playoff games.

This guy has a backwards argument for everything. He basically throws it out there saying that unless Luongo has a 0.00 GAA and the Canucks get four sweeps in the playoffs, he'll have an argument why they still suck. Can't wait for another cleverly thought out response...

 

[BJhunter]

Here we go again. By BJHunter's f'd up reasoning, Chris Osgood is a shoe-in hall of famer because he's played lots of playoff games.

This guy has a backwards argument for everything. He basically throws it out there saying that unless Luongo has a 0.00 GAA and the Canucks get four sweeps in the playoffs, he'll have an argument why they still suck. Can't wait for another cleverly thought out response...

Oohhh, 2good4you, you must be that sorry little young kid who wore the old yellow ugly jerseys (another disgrace of this franchise, among others), feeling lonely and dejected sitting behind the glass b/c you were devastated by another Nuck lost.

I don't care how you reason things, or whatever, here's the bottom line: Luongo's not a playoff performer; so what, any player who's played in 1 good playoff out of his first playoff experience, all of a sudden, makes him a great goalie?

I'd rather have Osgood in net now if it meant getting a top 6 forward, jsut like that. Detroit doesn't seem too bad this year, despite their recent slide. Ever thought about that, puck head? or do u prefer Nucklehead?

If u care to even reason or think, I'm not that hard on Luongo; he's worth 2 top 6 forwards, he's a GOOD regular season goalie, but let's not be haste and say he's great b/c he's only played ONE SEASON in the PLAYOFFS, but u Canuckleheads put him on the pedestal like he's Roy or Brodeur.

Give your Canuckle bobblehead a shake

 

[trackstar]

Oohhh, 2good4you, you must be that sorry little young kid who wore the old yellow ugly jerseys (another disgrace of this franchise, among others), feeling lonely and dejected sitting behind the glass b/c you were devastated by another Nuck lost.

I don't care how you reason things, or whatever, here's the bottom line: Luongo's not a playoff performer; so what, any player who's played in 1 good playoff out of his first playoff experience, all of a sudden, makes him a great goalie?

I'd rather have Osgood in net now if it meant getting a top 6 forward, jsut like that. Detroit doesn't seem too bad this year, despite their recent slide. Ever thought about that, puck head? or do u prefer Nucklehead?

If u care to even reason or think, I'm not that hard on Luongo; he's worth 2 top 6 forwards, he's a GOOD regular season goalie, but let's not be haste and say he's great b/c he's only played ONE SEASON in the PLAYOFFS, but u Canuckleheads put him on the pedestal like he's Roy or Brodeur.

Give your Canuckle bobblehead a shake

Fuck dude, did you go to school at all, or wasn't English a course in the 60's?

 

[aznboi9]

Roy carried an average team to a Stanley Cup in his ROOKIE season.

Luongo had a better team in front of him in his 1st year as a Canuck.

Really? So a team with Guy Carbonneau, Larry Robinson, Mats Naslund, Claude Lemieux, Chris Chelios, Bobby Smith, and Bob Gainey is considered inferior to a team that only has the Sedins as their top stars outside of Luongo?

here's the bottom line: Luongo's not a playoff performer;

Care to back this up with actual fact? Kind of like how you backed up your assertion that Burke just "fell" into a cup winning team?

but u Canuckleheads put him on the pedestal like he's Roy or Brodeur.

Yeah, it's just us canuckleheads. And Team Canada, and Don Cherry, most NHL GM's and pretty much any hockey analyst that I've heard commenting on him.

But yeah, you know more about hockey than all of those guys.

 

[trackstar]

And for the next poster to contribute:

 

[teejay69]

The difference with Luongo is that unlike other goalies we've had in the past - he is the highest paid player on the team and is expected to be one of the top players at their position. Until he steals a game we had no business winning or finds a way to carry the team to a playoff series win - just like with the Sedins - they are not proven playoff performers.

Goalies can have a greater impact in the playoffs and before people start quoting stats - focus on the number of cups or playoff series wins. Speaking of stats - the year the Canucks barely beat Dallas - Turco had much better numbers but still lost. I just googled the stats - 3 Shut outs - .952% Save Percentage and 1.30 GAA

 

[ZeroX]

Really? So a team with Guy Carbonneau, Larry Robinson, Mats Naslund, Claude Lemieux, Chris Chelios, Bobby Smith, and Bob Gainey is considered inferior to a team that only has the Sedins as their top stars outside of Luongo?

Care to back this up with actual fact? Kind of like how you backed up your assertion that Burke just "fell" into a cup winning team?


Yeah, it's just us canuckleheads. And Team Canada, and Don Cherry, most NHL GM's and pretty much any hockey analyst that I've heard commenting on him.

But yeah, you know more about hockey than all of those guys.

Well said.

 

[aznboi9]

Until he steals a game we had no business winning or finds a way to carry the team to a playoff series win - just like with the Sedins - they are not proven playoff performers.

But he did do that many times that season. And while Turco's numbers may have been better, that's irrelevant to the fact that Luongo played very well during those playoffs, so the claim that "Luongo's not a playoff performer" has no merit.

 

[teejay69]

But he did do that many times that season. And while Turco's numbers may have been better, that's irrelevant to the fact that Luongo played very well during those playoffs, so the claim that "Luongo's not a playoff performer" has no merit.

You missed the point. Regular season does not mean shit for this topic (i.e. playoffs). If the regular season is a factor - the Sedins would be signed by now.

For the Anaheim Series - we lost the first game 5-1 and a whole bunch of other one goal games. It was closer than the 4-1 result but there was no shut out and there was no game for which he stole a win. I would not make this statement if he played like Turco in the first round (he did have better numbers) and we lost in game 7 against Anaheim.

Are JS Giguere or Cam Ward better goalies than Luongo - No but they both have Stanley Cup Rings. Even Roloson of the Oilers and Kipper (Flames) had greater playoff runs.

Just being objective here based on the number of playoff wins and recent history. The Canucks (recent past and present) are not proven playoff performers. When was the last time we made it past the 2nd round or at least made it to a game 7 of the second round. That would be 1994 when Trevor carried the team in Game 7.

It just seems that The Canucks always (1) lose to the eventual Cup Winner or Conference Finalist or (2) Get swept 4-1 or 4-0 or (3) Lose the series despite being up 3-1 or 2-0

Maybe this year will be different and that would be great for the city and also would help to make a better case for Luongo to re-sign.

 

[aznboi9]

You missed the point. Regular season does not mean shit for this topic (i.e. playoffs). If the regular season is a factor - the Sedins would be signed by now.

No, I didn't miss the point, that's why I mentioned Luongo's playoff performance. You just happen to have a different standard of what constitutes a playoff performer.

The argument was that Luongo does not perform in the playoffs. The stats show differently. Just because the Canucks didn't win the cup or Luongo did not record a shut out in the second round or that other goalies had better stats is not evidence that he did not perform to expectations. Otherwise, he could stop 200 shots a game, record a .001 GAA, lose the series and still be judged as "not a playoff performer". That's ridiculous.

Don't forget that the knock against Turco up until that series was that he folds come playoff time. The consensus opinion afterwards? That he erased those doubts despite the fact that his team lost the series. Why? Because of his play and numbers.
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