its all the time i've wasted reading posts on perb, I'm finally as stupid as the rest of you!50 Mile Radius said:
Canuck update - Anson Carter
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The Leafs are very interested in Carter which means they will be willing to give him a much more unrealistic figure than Nonis will. I agree Wilde, the magic number for Carter is going to be 3M/yr and I'm guessing he wants 3yrs guaranteed. Look at it this way; the Canucks will almost certainly be weaker this year, especially offensively but the Leafs will be even worse - AGAIN!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!wilde said:We can kiss Carter goodbye, he wants at least $3M/yr for 3 yrs. And forget about Peca as well. He wants to play in the Eastern conference and will likely cost more than Carter. Say hello to Jason King.
Carter??? What's the fuss
It is likely that Anson Carter will sign elsewhere, my guess is Los Angeles, which would fit into his hip hop and movie business plans. There seems to be a bit of a panic from those who believe that Carter made the Sedins what they are. The facts suggest otherwise. Carter had done absolutely nothing his past 4 years prior to joining the Canucks. Before that he was an effective but not spectacular second or third liner. Lucky for Carter, that Crawford let him play with the Sedins. One year playing with them and they set him up for a career high in goals. Anyone who watched most of his goals last year, saw he was a direct beneficiary of the Sedins cycling the puck. Was he effective..YES. Did he make the most of his chances once they got him the puck..YES. But to suggest that it was he who made the Sedins effective this year just hasn't seen the games. The signings are not over yet and there are some trades to be made. My feeling is that Nonis will find someone to play with the Sedins. I have also heard some speculation that Naslund may play with the Sedins on his off wing. I doubt that is true, but there are a few players on this team right now who can benefit from the Sedins as much as Carter did last year. If not, I have every faith that Nonis will find a couple, just like he did Carter last year.
It is likely that Anson Carter will sign elsewhere, my guess is Los Angeles, which would fit into his hip hop and movie business plans. There seems to be a bit of a panic from those who believe that Carter made the Sedins what they are. The facts suggest otherwise. Carter had done absolutely nothing his past 4 years prior to joining the Canucks. Before that he was an effective but not spectacular second or third liner. Lucky for Carter, that Crawford let him play with the Sedins. One year playing with them and they set him up for a career high in goals. Anyone who watched most of his goals last year, saw he was a direct beneficiary of the Sedins cycling the puck. Was he effective..YES. Did he make the most of his chances once they got him the puck..YES. But to suggest that it was he who made the Sedins effective this year just hasn't seen the games. The signings are not over yet and there are some trades to be made. My feeling is that Nonis will find someone to play with the Sedins. I have also heard some speculation that Naslund may play with the Sedins on his off wing. I doubt that is true, but there are a few players on this team right now who can benefit from the Sedins as much as Carter did last year. If not, I have every faith that Nonis will find a couple, just like he did Carter last year.
I'm not one of those people who thought that Carter made the Sedins ' what they are ' , but Carter was a great and successful fit for them. Carter developed an intuition and knack for taking advantage of the Sedin skills. We'll see if Nonis can find someone who has as good a chemistry to enjoy the same or better success.
Unlike you KingLeer, I don't have the same faith in Nonis.
Unlike you KingLeer, I don't have the same faith in Nonis.
I read once that the most common age for NHL players to have their career year is age 27 and that after the age of 32 most players see significant declines in their production. At 26 the Sedins are entering their prime production years, I don't think last years increase in production was a fluke or due mainly to Anson Carter. The fact that they weren't very consistent in their early 20's isn't that suprising and doesn't mean that their game will fall apart without Carter. I wouldn't be suprised to see them improve even more with or without Carter. Carter on the other hand had his career year at 31, now 32 I don't see a whole lot of upside potential with Carter and lots of potential for a big downside. If some moronic GM wants to reward Carter with a big contract based on last years numbers they are taking a big gamble that may just blow up in their face.
If Carter does decide to return I think he could benefit from playing with the Sedins and put up similar #s, if he leave some other player will reap the benefits of playing on the Sedin line.
If Carter does decide to return I think he could benefit from playing with the Sedins and put up similar #s, if he leave some other player will reap the benefits of playing on the Sedin line.
I think Carter is somewhat deserving of a reward for his production last year. I might hope that at least he get an offer for another one year but Nonis hasn't even offered that.
It's becoming endemic in this organization to not reward good results. Burke turned the Canucks from an organization that was loosing 20 million annually to an organization making 30 million and for that he was left hanging in the wind and eventually given the hook.
It's becoming endemic in this organization to not reward good results. Burke turned the Canucks from an organization that was loosing 20 million annually to an organization making 30 million and for that he was left hanging in the wind and eventually given the hook.
Carter or no Carter
I don't believe that the Canucks will suffer much from not having Carter. Nonis would have to be a fool to offer him anywhere near $3 million a year, esp. for 3 years. I'm sure most GMs will recognize that his success is primarily due to the Sedins blossoming with the new rule changes. Besides this past year, what has he really done in the last 4 years? Having said that, I would offer him closer to 1.6 to 2.0 million, but only for 2 years.
I don't believe that the Canucks will suffer much from not having Carter. Nonis would have to be a fool to offer him anywhere near $3 million a year, esp. for 3 years. I'm sure most GMs will recognize that his success is primarily due to the Sedins blossoming with the new rule changes. Besides this past year, what has he really done in the last 4 years? Having said that, I would offer him closer to 1.6 to 2.0 million, but only for 2 years.
All this talk about the players gettin' greedy. How can anyone say that Carter isn't worth 3 mill a year? Look at what happened when Bertuzzi (fucker) had one good season. Poof! Six mill a year. Then he slack-assed and collected paychecks 'till he was traded. Based on the logic that brought that farce to fruition, Carter would be worth more than 3 mill. I don't think it's so much a case of greedy players, as guys seeing what's being thrown at their peers and wanting an equivalent deal when they display equivalent talents in the game. I think it would be hard to dispute that Carter's play last season actually exceeded that of Bertuzzi. What would you do if you were in his situation?
I think that this is just the beginning of a huge problem where the league has dug itself so far into a hole with the insane salaries that they have been so recklessly thowing around to mediocre-to-good players, that its starting to come back to bite them. Maybe some proper performance clauses thrown into the fine print of the contracts might help to motivate some of the future Berts...
I think that this is just the beginning of a huge problem where the league has dug itself so far into a hole with the insane salaries that they have been so recklessly thowing around to mediocre-to-good players, that its starting to come back to bite them. Maybe some proper performance clauses thrown into the fine print of the contracts might help to motivate some of the future Berts...
Pie is shrinking
Stiffdeadman is right on. The pie is shrinking for all clubs. This will be the true test of a GM's skill.
Anyone can throw outrageous $$$'s at the high profile super stars - the tough part is when you only have $6 or $7 mil left and need to fill out your roster with 10 or 12 more NHL-class players.
It won't matter if you are in a BIG market city (NY or TO) or in a small market like Nashville or Calgary - you can only ice a roster that can't exceed $44 mil.
Interesting times in the NHL. We really won't know who the winners are (players or owners) with the CBA for a few more years...
Stiffdeadman is right on. The pie is shrinking for all clubs. This will be the true test of a GM's skill.
Anyone can throw outrageous $$$'s at the high profile super stars - the tough part is when you only have $6 or $7 mil left and need to fill out your roster with 10 or 12 more NHL-class players.
It won't matter if you are in a BIG market city (NY or TO) or in a small market like Nashville or Calgary - you can only ice a roster that can't exceed $44 mil.
Interesting times in the NHL. We really won't know who the winners are (players or owners) with the CBA for a few more years...
That's the problem with comparing players. Back in the days when only Greztky and Lemieux were making the big bucks because they were so much better than anyone else. Other excellent players such as Yzerman and Sakic were making good coin but nowhere near Greztky and Lemieux territory. I mean how can you make a case for them to make as much as Greztky and Lemieux, when those 2 are scoring 200 points per season and you are scoring at half that pace. Then the agents started getting creative. Through the salary arbitration process, they discovered different ways to compare players. They know they are not going to get anywhere by comparing their clients to Greztky and Lemieux directly. So they start using the MVP concept. They argued that Yzerman and Sakic are just as valuable to their team as Greztky and Lemieux are to theirs, and therefore should be making as much. Soon after that every team including the bottom feeders all had their MVP making the top $. The rest you already know.FuZzYknUckLeS said:
Todd Bertuzzi was given a big contract after a 97 point season in which he was the 5th highest scorer in the NHL, he was also 28 and in his prime, and the salary was based on the assumption he would continue putting up similar numbers. Anson Carter got 55 points which tied him for 100th in the NHL and at 32 he is at an age when many players skills begin to decline. If Carter wants a 3 million $ plus contract a significant portion of it should be based on performance bonuses. The chances of him improving over last season aren't all that great that he deserves a huge base salary.FuZzYknUckLeS said:
Is that what the year off was all about? Let the idiots sign up all their cap room and then they are stuck. Allow good managers the chance to build a team on a budget without having to compete with the TO and NYs that just throw money around.FuZzYknUckLeS said:
It seems like many teams are making the same mistake signing 5,6,7 million dollar contracts and then not having enough to sign the rest of the team.
FuZzYknUckLeS said:
All contracts should be 50% based on performance clauses. Sign a $3M a year player, pay $1.5 M base and rest on performance. Like the players would ever agree...
