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I won't comment on the other leaders, but I've never heard a politician that I felt was more disingenuous than Justin Trudeau. Every time he speaks I hear that over-practiced How To Speak in Public, 101 cadence that reeks of artifice.
Combine that with his lies, behaviour towards women and political failures, and I wonder why anyone would vote for his woke smarminess.
Combine that with his lies, behaviour towards women and political failures, and I wonder why anyone would vote for his woke smarminess.
Over half a Billion Dollars spent, to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic ! 🥺
What a Waste ! Same Bullshit, different Day... 💩
Not one of the Leaders, offered any real substantiative Directions for Canada, IMHO .
And not one of Them, brought up ditching this waste of time, "First past the Post" Electoral System ?
To think that not winning the Popular Vote, can still put a Party in the Driver's seat, is beyond believe . WTF ! 🤯
They all could have shown that Trudeau is not a Man of his Word ! 😉
The Slogan... "Real Change", what a Joke ! 🤡
All We can hope for now, is that the other Parties hold Justin, and the Liberals to task by making Them call the next Federal Election again . Hopefully, not for another four Years ! 😬
All of the Parties need to Fire their Leaders, and go back to the Drawing Board IMO .
Mr Q.
What a Waste ! Same Bullshit, different Day... 💩
Not one of the Leaders, offered any real substantiative Directions for Canada, IMHO .
And not one of Them, brought up ditching this waste of time, "First past the Post" Electoral System ?
To think that not winning the Popular Vote, can still put a Party in the Driver's seat, is beyond believe . WTF ! 🤯
They all could have shown that Trudeau is not a Man of his Word ! 😉
The Slogan... "Real Change", what a Joke ! 🤡
All We can hope for now, is that the other Parties hold Justin, and the Liberals to task by making Them call the next Federal Election again . Hopefully, not for another four Years ! 😬
All of the Parties need to Fire their Leaders, and go back to the Drawing Board IMO .
Mr Q.
I think Ms. Paul did, but not very much. The NDP are considered to want electoral reform, but their members do not always see it that way (they want to replace the Liberals in power, not be stuck working with them).
Trudeau get one reporter question about it in the last days of the campaign, but basically made it clear the only kind of change he'd want is to some sort of ranked ballot system, I guess because the Libs think that would be advantageous to them. (That's debatable, but what kind of system matters a lot.)
The Cons keep supporting FPTP even after it has fucked them 3 times in a row now. The dream of ruling all by themselves (with maybe just 37% of the vote) means more than the reality that Canadians keep not wanting that.
Yes, all the parties should take a hard critical look at their own leadership and policies.
Even for some leaders who are not really at fault for their party's failure to inspire, the knives may be out as some people want a scapegoat and other ambitious people want their job.
Guaranteed at least one of these leaders is gone before the next election, even before the end of this year.
The voters delivered a verdict that they do not trust any of them enough to give them more power than they currently have.
First past the post vs proportional representation. Look at the popular vote stats and if we had proportional representation, the final seat tally would be different. in this election I don't think that much but it would be different.
Remember a few years back BC had a referendum on FPTP vs PR, people just kept the status quo maybe not understanding it or maybe not caring. Pluses and minuses for both cases but the bottom line is the Golden Rule and he who has the gold makes the rule. The gold here is to keep the seat rich areas, one thing the liberal party is good at doing.
So $650M gone with no government change, no clear mandate as Trudeau Jr said in his lukewarm, zero energy "victory" speech last night. A whole bunch of fucking hoopla as far as I am concerned. Hey at least Sophie wore a youngish cute short milfy dress!
Remember a few years back BC had a referendum on FPTP vs PR, people just kept the status quo maybe not understanding it or maybe not caring. Pluses and minuses for both cases but the bottom line is the Golden Rule and he who has the gold makes the rule. The gold here is to keep the seat rich areas, one thing the liberal party is good at doing.
So $650M gone with no government change, no clear mandate as Trudeau Jr said in his lukewarm, zero energy "victory" speech last night. A whole bunch of fucking hoopla as far as I am concerned. Hey at least Sophie wore a youngish cute short milfy dress!
Proportional Representation is a great idea on theory but difficult to impossible to implement.
It requires agreement from the provinces and cannot be imposed in a top-down manner by the Federal Govt. There are dozens of forms of PR and everyone would have to agree on one formula. Trudeau found this out and has moderated his stance.
Singh keeps yapping about it only because he knows he will never have to actually do it.
It requires agreement from the provinces and cannot be imposed in a top-down manner by the Federal Govt. There are dozens of forms of PR and everyone would have to agree on one formula. Trudeau found this out and has moderated his stance.
Singh keeps yapping about it only because he knows he will never have to actually do it.
There are multiple ways the money could have been better spent; support for the homeless, funds for veterans that are struggling, supplying clean drinking clean drinking water to indigenous people on reserves to name a few.
There are budgets for those things, just like there are budgets for elections. Just because we have an election doesn't mean something else gets defunded.
Conservatives were filibustering, obstructing legislation and being their usual asshole selves, so an election was necessary. Back in November O'Toole dared Trudeau to "pull the trigger."
Now we'll have a relatively productive parliament for a few years, because I doubt the Conservatives will want another election before they replace O'Toole with bachelor number four.
It was money that didn’t have to be spent. Number of seats the liberals got was perhaps one different than before the election, Trudeau accomplished nothing in the end. Pretty much what he’s done since first elected.
That's the beauty of being the leader of a party with Zero Percent chance of ever governing Federally. You can say all kind of stuff without ever having to live up to your promises.
Cheers
J
Maybe not prime minister, but the NDP are once again power brokers..Libs will need their votes to get anything past concerted Cons obstructi9nThat's the beauty of being the leader of a party with Zero Percent chance of ever governing Federally. You can say all kind of stuff without ever having to live up to your promises.
Cheers
J
So back to the 600M+ spent on this election ... and from what I am reading the most expensive election yet.
I was doing an ROI for a project we have using some advanced imaging to spot fires remotely and the cost of wildfires in Canada came up. This comes from Natural Resources Canada noting the numbers are increasing but are ranging from 800M to 1.2B a year the past few. This accounts for all costs, resource losses (which are estimated very conservatively), fighting the fires etc but NOT the human costs which I suppose are off loaded to some other budget or accounting detail.
It's about 25M for a fully outfitted water bomber that can be effective in most regions of Canada, ie able to reload from many lakes. That 600M could have been used to create quite the fleet of water bombers, whether prop, jet or choppers. Yeah I know, resources are under provincial jurisdiction and we do not have a perfect system but what the heck, why not think about something like this, as fires, big one, are here to stay.
I was doing an ROI for a project we have using some advanced imaging to spot fires remotely and the cost of wildfires in Canada came up. This comes from Natural Resources Canada noting the numbers are increasing but are ranging from 800M to 1.2B a year the past few. This accounts for all costs, resource losses (which are estimated very conservatively), fighting the fires etc but NOT the human costs which I suppose are off loaded to some other budget or accounting detail.
It's about 25M for a fully outfitted water bomber that can be effective in most regions of Canada, ie able to reload from many lakes. That 600M could have been used to create quite the fleet of water bombers, whether prop, jet or choppers. Yeah I know, resources are under provincial jurisdiction and we do not have a perfect system but what the heck, why not think about something like this, as fires, big one, are here to stay.
I'm just going to guess that if O'Toole had won, many of the folks who are saying this election was a waste of money, wouldn't be saying this election was a waste of money.
Is this what Canadian Federal Politics, have come down to ?
A Game of Chicken ? 🤔
Trudeau asked the phony Governor General(That's another Topic) to dissolve Parliament ! 😉
The Parliament wasn't brought down by a Vote of "No Cofidence" !
If Trudeau really wanted to be a true Leader, he could have locked down fixed Election Dates every 4 years, so We wouldn't be wasting this Money . It would be Budgeted for, and agreeably, the cost of living in a Democratic country .
Nothing has changed, after the most expensive Federal Election in Canadian history .
Justin seems to have an ever-changing perspective on how Federal Tax dollars are best spent ?
Using his rationale, I'm sure there are some Survivors of Residential Schools, who'd like to know !
Where their Pay-Out is, similar to Omar Khadir's $10.5 million ! They were all Citizens of Canada ! 🇨🇦
Also there's some Veterans wondering why, They're getting the Shortend .
I guess it'll always come back to this for Taxpayers, in Justin's mind ?
Mr Q.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_federal_electoral_districts
Each riding should have equal number of voters. Hard to do if riding boundaries are to be the same each election. Moving the riding boundaries can be confusing. So in order not to confuse voters, the boundaries rarely change. So instead the population changes in the riding.
If you look at the map of electoral ridings. Canada is mimicking the US where major population centers are voting Liberal and Rural Conservative.
Thing is people will want to vote for a particular candidate in their riding. The Proportional voting system takes this away from the individual who votes. The most seats will usually form the government (party system). With the leader of the winning party being PM. The current system your vote goes toward a candidate (who has a party, lib, con, ndp etc), its very simple to vote and hard to screw up your ballot. The more choices on a ballot, the more ways to screw up the ballot. So in a proportional system if I voted NDP, I would then have to rank the NDP candidates on the ballot. If the NDP win 60% of votes, they get 60% of the seats and the top individual candidates (from the NDP) overall get seats. These NDP may not possible be from the actual riding. And it increases the amount of work a voter has to do on his ballot. KISS.
Another idea is that the elected MP has to live in the riding. An local person with ties to the community at large.
The electoral map is not like a pie chart.
The % of the popular vote doesn't mean anything in an election, just a cute gimic, to cause controversy. All because the ridings do not contain an equal amount of eligible voters. This is usually why the popular vote is always skewed....
The Liberals were smart to call an election now. They haven't screwed up in the news. Things were going good for them. Also they called election before they could be brought down by the other parties in parliament. The hope was for a majority. The reality now is a minority government. But they will be in power for the next 2.5 years at least, because Canadians really hate going to the polls, and out of spite will fuck the party(ies) up, if they have to go to the polls too soon.
Everybody knows the Fed government will need additional resources (money); therefore tax increases will be necessary.
I think nobody likes that idea, but it is practical.
The next few years, top things :
Balanced budgets
Debt payment
Big infrastructure projects: dams, highways, mining
Child care
minimum income
So the 2 Micheals are home, after the states sent Meng Wanzhou packing back to China.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/meng-wanzho...uver International Airport by Canadian police.
So she got to stay in a nice expensive house; and the 2 Michaels got sent to prison, on trumped up charges....
Its all about the money baby..... The rich get off scott free....
https://www.cbc.ca/news/meng-wanzho...uver International Airport by Canadian police.
So she got to stay in a nice expensive house; and the 2 Michaels got sent to prison, on trumped up charges....
Its all about the money baby..... The rich get off scott free....
The only problem with this is going back to the drawing board would only have them resurface with leaders just as bad.
The biggest issue/problem with modern politics is the best and brightest, who should be our leaders wouldn't go near a life in politics with a 100 foot pole. Who the fuck would want that? People prying into every little nook and cranny of your life. Some Woke reporter uncovering you peeked into the Girl's shower at camp when you were 9. The invasion into your family life including the on-line bullying that your family would have to endure.
And if you did get into politics because you were somehow disillusioned into thinking you could actually make a difference or change the way things are done, you would either end up so frustrated you'd want to eat the barrel of a 9 mm Glock or so jaded, you would end up like the rest of our useless politicians.
The only people who go into politics these days are the people who can't get a real job or those who see it as a means to advance their own agenda and profit financially from it.
Our current PM is the most glaring example of this, although others are just as guilty.
Sad but true.
We're screwed when it comes to good people being involved.
Cheers
J
Instead of the Best and Brightest we have a mass who want someone “just like them”.
Do I want someone just like me removing my brain tumour? HELL NO I want the smartest guy or gal and I don’t care if they are black or white or a trust fund baby.
Do I want someone just like me removing my brain tumour? HELL NO I want the smartest guy or gal and I don’t care if they are black or white or a trust fund baby.
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