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In the great depression in the 1930s, in the US FDR created national work projects to put America back on track to get Americans working again. The Hoover Dam was built...

What projects would Canada have in this day and age. Thing to remember is that Canada is primary a resource/commodity economy. We send vast quantities of raw material to other countries...What happens when the resources are gone. Have to think about what is gonna happen in future generations for Canada. Today we live for the day, not thinking about how the future is going to be. (Yeah we save for retirement), but nobody is looking past that ....

Dams, railways, transport systems, roads, energy production, pipelines etc would Canada construct to bring a shared unity back to Canadians? Like the CPR.

Manufacturing, computers, computers system, space exploration, research that Canada could become leaders in?

What would Canadian have to give up in order to achieve this? In WW2, the Canadian economy was controlled by the government to produce armaments and food for the war effort.

In WW2 Canada had the Commonwealth Air Training, where they trained pilots (from the Commonwealth) in the relative safety of the Canadian interior. To open up the north planes are used to run cargo, supplying materials to communities in the north.

Do Canadians need new roads to get them to the resources of the north and canadian shield.

Event he Cylons had a plan. Canada does not. lets start to make one.....
 

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Well, completing the Kinder Morgan pipeline project would be a good start.
However this calls for decisive leadership at the federal level- which seems to be sadly lacking.
Site C, while more of a provincial project, is moving forward- something I can actually give credit to the NDP for not scuttling.
I think that more projects related to infrastructure and transportation should be moved forward. This will take commitment from several levels of government- municipal/regional, provincial and federal. This means recognizing common goals- and I'm not sure that the current powers-that-be are capable.
 

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Rather than sending crude westward to Asia that will endanger the coast with a spill and later directly belch filth into the Asian atmosphere, Alberta, just like most of Canada the past several decades, needs to bring back export manufacturing jobs. Alberta should be building refineries, finished product pipelines and retailing the by-products. Everything from jugs of ready to use motor oil to fabricating plastic products and parts. Federal Canada should reconsider a pipeline eastward from Alberta to refineries in central & eastern Canada to fill a market in Canada that is currently importing oil, and a nearby market in the north-eastern United States and Europe, while Alberta gets up to speed building its own refineries and finished product pipelines.
 

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Rather than sending crude westward to Asia that will endanger the coast with a spill and later directly belch filth into the Asian atmosphere, Alberta, just like most of Canada the past several decades, needs to bring back export manufacturing jobs. Alberta should be building refineries, finished product pipelines and retailing the by-products. Everything from jugs of ready to use motor oil to fabricating plastic products and parts. Federal Canada should reconsider a pipeline eastward from Alberta to refineries in central & eastern Canada to fill a market in Canada that is currently importing oil, and a nearby market in the north-eastern United States and Europe, while Alberta gets up to speed building its own refineries and finished product pipelines.
OK thats a mouthfull of stupid.First off refineries cost BILLIONS of dollars and Canada is net exporting nation.The idea of moving out own oil resources from Alberta to existing refineries was shot down by Quebec who dont want "dirty oil" but will happily import unehtical oil produced by Saudi Arabia with regards to it's human rights record.....oh but Montreal is such a steward of the environment......so much so that it flushed 500,000 litres of raw sewage into the St Lawrence seaway last year.

As for Alberta getting a "pipeline" it is a fucking joke.The Kinder Morgan expansion as well as the Keystone XL and the Northern Gateway as well as Energy East pipeline should have been proposed and built 20 years ago before ALL of this BS about dirty "Alberta oilsands" agenda got moving and gained the ground it has due to the BS "Climate Change" movement.

I will never forget when I was in an elevator at the Husky Oil tower in 1998 when I first got back to Calgary and one oil executive asked another "how do you feel about $20 oil" and his reply was "I am happier than pig in it's own shit".

All of those pipelines should have been built back then and Canada would truly be a world class energy super power.....sadly it is not the case and Alberta which has shifted BILLIONS of dollars to the Federal Government to have that money pandered to Quebec as well as other Provinces is being beaten worse than a red headed stepchild.

Shut off the TAPS to BC......fuck YEAH.....let them eat $4 a litre for gas for a month.....or as Ralph Klein said "Let them freeze in the dark"

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How about build a bridge from the mainland to Vancouver island? That's the kind of boondoggle that would probably appeal to the no-mind ndp fools running BC.
 

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OK thats a mouthfull of stupid.First off refineries cost BILLIONS of dollars and Canada is net exporting nation.The idea of moving out own oil resources from Alberta to existing refineries was shot down by Quebec who dont want "dirty oil" but will happily import unehtical oil produced by Saudi Arabia with regards to it's human rights record.....oh but Montreal is such a steward of the environment......so much so that it flushed 500,000 litres of raw sewage into the St Lawrence seaway last year.

As for Alberta getting a "pipeline" it is a fucking joke.The Kinder Morgan expansion as well as the Keystone XL and the Northern Gateway as well as Energy East pipeline should have been proposed and built 20 years ago before ALL of this BS about dirty "Alberta oilsands" agenda got moving and gained the ground it has due to the BS "Climate Change" movement.

I will never forget when I was in an elevator at the Husky Oil tower in 1998 when I first got back to Calgary and one oil executive asked another "how do you feel about $20 oil" and his reply was "I am happier than pig in it's own shit".

All of those pipelines should have been built back then and Canada would truly be a world class energy super power.....sadly it is not the case and Alberta which has shifted BILLIONS of dollars to the Federal Government to have that money pandered to Quebec as well as other Provinces is being beaten worse than a red headed stepchild.

Shut off the TAPS to BC......fuck YEAH.....let them eat $4 a litre for gas for a month.....or as Ralph Klein said "Let them freeze in the dark"

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Yes, I know that British Columbians aren't too much for smart and don't know how to install a pipeline nor how to make a pipe. For jobs, British Columbians would be doing little more than delivering Tim Horton hot chocolate for imported labour and waiting for a welfare cheque when the job is done. If federal Canada can "approve" pipeline through British Columbia, federal Canada can approve a pipeline through Quebec. To say otherwise is an issue that could/should annul the Canadian Constitution. At issue is Canada's beleaguered export manufacturing sector that has been located in central Canada without competition decades from any of the other provinces or territories. Didn't learn to compete and sell finished products internationally. Meanwhile, Canadians strip natural resources and sell land to wealthy south Asian oligarchs who have lived off the avails of virtual slave labour in south Asia. In Asia, Kinder Morgan's pipe product burns without refining and belches filth directly into the atmosphere of socially and environmentally destroyed south Asia. Cheaply done so that morally bankrupt Canada can buy consumer goods at a cheaper price and indulge in the south Asian slave labour concept while living side by side with the rich immigrant class whose ilk and ancestors destroyed south Asia. That symbiosis can hardly do any better for Canada's future generations who face the same degradation if the Canadian constitution hasn't been annulled by then and Albertans and British Columbians etcetera run their own affairs.
 

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How about build a bridge from the mainland to Vancouver island? That's the kind of boondoggle that would probably appeal to the no-mind ndp fools running BC.
Dont even speak of such a thing....the NDP just might do it.They would put the proper spin on it and of course give out lucrative jobs to cronies and contracts to the same to get it built and them it would end up the the "fast ferries" or maybe Glen Clarks "home renovation"......dont give them ideas to piss away tax payer money as they will do it.

SR
 

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Rather than sending crude westward to Asia that will endanger the coast with a spill and later directly belch filth into the Asian atmosphere, Alberta, just like most of Canada the past several decades, needs to bring back export manufacturing jobs. Alberta should be building refineries, finished product pipelines and retailing the by-products. Everything from jugs of ready to use motor oil to fabricating plastic products and parts. Federal Canada should reconsider a pipeline eastward from Alberta to refineries in central & eastern Canada to fill a market in Canada that is currently importing oil, and a nearby market in the north-eastern United States and Europe, while Alberta gets up to speed building its own refineries and finished product pipelines.
It would make more sense to build a refinery in Southern BC. We used to have five active refineries in the Vancouver area with only Chevron still up an running. 30% of our Aviation Gas and vehicle gas is coming from Washington State and 70% from Alberta. We export raw petroleum to Washington State and pay a premium to get the finished products back to BC. It makes no sense.

There is a very good reason we have the most expensive gas in Canada (not including taxes). It's a lack of refineries, growing population and having to rely upon imported gas from refineries in AB and WA.

Considering the Premier of Alberta wants to turn off the tap to BC if they don't get their way on Kinder Morgan, we should have our own refinery again to 100 % service the needs of the lower mainland not as an exporter. Just not located on the waterfront in the second busiest port on the west coast.
 

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I think it was trans canada pipelines that wanted to build a pipeline thru Quebec, but Quebec said no, apparently they weren't getting enough kickbacks (maybe that was not enough jobs for Quebecers).

Any NDP government in BC, has an atrocious economical affect on the BC economy. Simply because they are not good business people, they believe in handouts, and with handouts you eventually have no money for a rainy day.....

For the Protesters who have cars, hypocrites I think (imagine their car having an oil leak....) oops not enough oil spilled to protest against themselves.....

When building a pipeline, engineers build them to high standards. Its the maintenance of the pipeline and the occasional dumb-ass that want to blow them up that is the problem.

The great fear is an oil spill in the seaway. Tankers have to have an double hull (all hulls have to be double hulled in case of collision). The greatest risk is loading the vessel (tanker) and there are oils booms surrounding the ship when loading. Once the oil is in the tanks,the oil doesn't move until its ready to offload. Bitumen is heavy and hard to move with out heat to make it go along, its a sludge normally thicker than molasses. If there is a leak at sea, it has to go through 2 hulls, and the bitumen will stay near the ship (does not disperse easily) and spreads slowly due to its viscoscity, unlike diesel oil which will disperse over the water very fast. Most ships have radars and in conjested waters keep a careful watch out.

Another problem is ships maintenance, if it is under Canadian Flag, maintenance in certain things is a must and must be adhered to. If it is a foreign flag of convenience, maintenance is shitty and shit will happen due to poor maintenance.
 

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The thing is, there are already existing pipelines. It's how we get our oil. But the existing pipelines are over 50 years old and running at over-capacity. If we don't build additional pipelines to keep up with demand, it's just a matter of time before the older ones break down from being run at over-capacity.
 

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It would make more sense to build a refinery in Southern BC. We used to have five active refineries in the Vancouver area with only Chevron still up an running. 30% of our Aviation Gas and vehicle gas is coming from Washington State and 70% from Alberta. We export raw petroleum to Washington State and pay a premium to get the finished products back to BC. It makes no sense.

There is a very good reason we have the most expensive gas in Canada (not including taxes). It's a lack of refineries, growing population and having to rely upon imported gas from refineries in AB and WA.

Considering the Premier of Alberta wants to turn off the tap to BC if they don't get their way on Kinder Morgan, we should have our own refinery again to 100 % service the needs of the lower mainland not as an exporter. Just not located on the waterfront in the second busiest port on the west coast.
Well, yeah, we are underserved on that front.

The disgusting thing about the Kinder Morgan expansion is that, it is all about the overseas market, not domestic demand. All the extra capacity it is for exporting bitumen to China and elsewhere across the sea. Then they too will refine it (and maybe sell it back to us). We'll be taking even more risk of catastrophic oil spills to help out the overseas manufacturers who undercut our own industries already.

That being said, in the grand scheme of things, our Burnaby refineries are not very big (or very new). I'm not sure where the local refiners could build or expand a refinery here, except perhaps in Port Moody where the old gas-fired generating station is.
Some Canadian businessmen did propose a new refinery for BC rather than just a pipe to export raw material with, but I get the feeling that bid/project was not taken very seriously by the oil interests in Alberta.


For the Protesters who have cars, hypocrites I think (imagine their car having an oil leak....) oops not enough oil spilled to protest against themselves.....

When building a pipeline, engineers build them to high standards. Its the maintenance of the pipeline and the occasional dumb-ass that want to blow them up that is the problem.

The great fear is an oil spill in the seaway. Tankers have to have an double hull (all hulls have to be double hulled in case of collision). The greatest risk is loading the vessel (tanker) and there are oils booms surrounding the ship when loading. Once the oil is in the tanks,the oil doesn't move until its ready to offload. Bitumen is heavy and hard to move with out heat to make it go along, its a sludge normally thicker than molasses. If there is a leak at sea, it has to go through 2 hulls, and the bitumen will stay near the ship (does not disperse easily) and spreads slowly due to its viscoscity, unlike diesel oil which will disperse over the water very fast. Most ships have radars and in conjested waters keep a careful watch out.

Another problem is ships maintenance, if it is under Canadian Flag, maintenance in certain things is a must and must be adhered to. If it is a foreign flag of convenience, maintenance is shitty and shit will happen due to poor maintenance.

Well here's some issues in what you said:

- Ordinary people have had no say in what their cars run on, nor the power infrastructure that supports it. We certainly have the surplus electricity thanks to hydro power, but when it comes to building changers, is that even in the building code? (I'm betting no.) That's even if we could afford an electric car. Combustion-powered vehicles have reaped the reward of many decades of R&D and subsidies, and all that surrounding infrastructure was built that way it was because of them. This country used to rely much more on trains, buses, trolleys, and so on - after WW2, it all changed, and in fact a lot of existing rail capacity (like the Interurban) was actually taken out of cities in favour of car-based suburbs. GM and the other traditional auto makers killed their electric car projects under pressure from the oil companies. (A movie was made about this.) Imagine if they had put their full engineering resources into it, instead of waiting another 20 years for guys like Elon Musk to steal the auto-making crown from them. By now, electric cars would not only have been much more widespread but also affordable on a level with petroleum powered cars. But for an average consumer - even a protesting one - who needs a car, they do not get to make those engineering and infrastructure decisions, do they? Personally, it's mobility I need, not a combustion engine. I suppose when we learn to punish politicians who get into dirty-hookups with the oil industry, instead of supporting them, then those big decisions will finally go the right way. Until then, unless we can afford a luxury e-vehicle, we're stuck either driving a gas vehicle like everyone else, or walking.

- As for the Trans-Mountain pipeline, a dumb-ass did not blow it up, but one of them did punch through it with digging equipment. Big accident, with oil all over the Barnet Highway and pouring down into the sea. Nobody plans to have an accident; that's why they are called accidents. Most accidents are not due to some kind of technical failure, but human error and/or negligence. Negligence is a big one, because it is very often the case that the big companies that assure us they will never have an accident are the same ones that cut corners to increase their profitability, and that causes some sort of disaster. Want another example? The Mount Polley mine disaster. It was clear negligence and a violation of the engineering rules that allowed the project to be approved at all; yet they broke the rules, caused a disaster, and yet nobody got punished afterwards. No gigantic fine, no jail time, nothing.

- Even if it is not a CEO decision, all it has to be is is some ship's captain or work foreman or whatever who feels under pressure from his bosses' expectations and does some risky thing, and then some supposedly foolproof response plan kicks in and they discover it doesn't fucking work at all. So not only do they inherently cause their own accidents, but they then either cover them up or respond inadequately. Time pressures and cost pressures are always there, so the risk is never just what is calculated under ideal conditions with everybody following the rules.

- They tell us modern navigation on the BC coast is perfectly safe. Well the Queen of the North collided with a rock and sank - a fucking rock outcropping that they had passed by thousands of times. The bridge crew was not even on the bridge, so there's your textbook case of catastrophic negligence. Two people died, and also the area got fouled by oil (just from the ship's fuel tanks).

- They tell us modern double-hulled oil tankers cannot lose their cargo, much less sink. Well at the end of 2017 off the coast of Korea, one such tanker collided with another ship, then burned and sank, with all crew and all cargo lost. Lucky for the nearby countries its cargo was condensate not crude or bitumen; it all burned or evaporated away.

- That's another issue right there. Bitumen / dilbit, would sink in typical BC sea conditions, not float; once that dilbit or crude sinks, basically nothing can be done for the ocean floor, and it will be dead for centuries. Skimmers can only scoop a small portion from the water, even with crude. Even the recovery methods can sometimes be as toxic as the spill itself. When the Deepwater Horizon disaster happened, they spread a lot of chemicals to aid in the cleanup, but it proved almost worse for marine life than the oil.

- Speaking of the Deepwater Horizon disaster, now there's another time when every company involved swore up and down they would have a handle on any accident and the oil flow would automatically cease. They sure as fuck didn't, and it sure as fuck didn't.

- All that is assuming that the emergency responders (like the coast guard) are even aware enough and have the resources needed to respond. Remember the MV Marathassa spilling oil into local waters? The authorities responded way too slowly, and that was at a time when Stephen Harper had actually cut BC's coast guard and other emergency response abilities. Are we going to leave this at the mercy of capricious governments who are always looking for a way out of paying for anything?

- Speaking of paying, Deepwater Horizon again. BP still hasn't paid anything remotely adequate to Louisiana in compensation for basically poisoning their entire coastline. Is there is a catastrophic spill in BC waters, do you really think either Kinder-Morgan or the province of Alberta is going to ever pay us back the real amount of compensation for all the damage? Fuck not. They will continue to shirk their responsibilities, and stiff us. This is obvious. And that's even assuming money can make up for wiping out all the local sea life, which will never come back.

- Let's just be honest here, because it has been proven time and time again: the companies will lie through their teeth, about their ability to prevent accidents, about their ability to mitigate accidents, and even about the ecological effect of their accidents. These are elaborate lies, that they have spent hundreds of millions of dollars to say, but it should be clear enough from the evidence that they will tell any lie needed to get their projects into operation. As for the government, how's there record on telling the truth to the public? Yeah, thought so. Why should we trust them when we should know better? So let's not pretend that their word is "good enough", and the protesters concerns should just be dismissed out of hand. There are no second chances to get things right after the accident. All BC would get is a lot of "golly gee, we're so sorry" bullshit from business and government leaders afterwards. We are going to get permanently screwed, and nobody will do anything meaningful about it.

And that's my issue with it in a nutshell. Do we really have a hand in these big decisions? Or are we just being bulldozed into circumstances which are no good for us, without any measure of true consent? Those who have the power to steer things the right way won't do it unless citizens force them to do so.
 
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Is Alberta going to pay for the cleanup costs of a spill? Alberta keeps on yapping about how safe the pipeline will be. They should have no problem putting up a 100% garantee.

Yes or no. Are they going to pay?
 

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In the great depression in the 1930s, in the US FDR created national work projects to put America back on track to get Americans working again. The Hoover Dam was built...

What projects would Canada have in this day and age. Thing to remember is that Canada is primary a resource/commodity economy. We send vast quantities of raw material to other countries...What happens when the resources are gone. Have to think about what is gonna happen in future generations for Canada. Today we live for the day, not thinking about how the future is going to be. (Yeah we save for retirement), but nobody is looking past that ....

Dams, railways, transport systems, roads, energy production, pipelines etc would Canada construct to bring a shared unity back to Canadians? Like the CPR.

Manufacturing, computers, computers system, space exploration, research that Canada could become leaders in?

What would Canadian have to give up in order to achieve this? In WW2, the Canadian economy was controlled by the government to produce armaments and food for the war effort.

In WW2 Canada had the Commonwealth Air Training, where they trained pilots (from the Commonwealth) in the relative safety of the Canadian interior. To open up the north planes are used to run cargo, supplying materials to communities in the north.

Do Canadians need new roads to get them to the resources of the north and canadian shield.

Event he Cylons had a plan. Canada does not. lets start to make one.....


Well, to be fair to the OP, let me get off that topic, and on to these:

I think Canada needs to have a bigger presence in the far north, and that would be a major project, including having a permanent navy or coast guard base there. The northwest passge is opening up, and countries like China are sniffing around making noises like they might just claim it for themselves. Mostly the Cons and Libs have been talking about the north, but never doing what it takes. They can't even keep the port of Churchill running, which is absurd.

I think a high speed rail system (or two) would be good. Most talk has been about a Windsor to Quebec City service. It's not a bad idea, but definitely a megaproject. Even if it is more energy efficient, I wonder how they will compete on cost when the feds also keep approving cheap no-frills airlines and such.

I think Canada could become a media power in its own right, especially for news content, if we choose to go big instead of stay home. There's a market out there for something different, and no future in trying to just filter the same stuff that you see from others.

We have a chance to be a top tier player economically if we get big into automation, AI, and clean energy too. Electricity without carbon emissions should be a national strategic goal.
 

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Is Alberta going to pay for the cleanup costs of a spill? Alberta keeps on yapping about how safe the pipeline will be. They should have no problem putting up a 100% garantee.

Yes or no. Are they going to pay?
when we shut off the taps, how do you think you're going to get you oil or gas?

build another pipeline? lol

bring it in by ship from Saudi Arabia? lol

or are you going to move the 4 million in the lower mainland by horse and cart?

electric car, the ones Elon can't make enough of to supply the few who want them?

how are your whale watching boats going to sustain your economy?

the planes that won't be able to re-fuel at your airport to bring your tourists in?

who's going to pay for that?

there are delusions, just listen to your Green leader, he's a complete moron, listening to him, you'd think your economy was without oil now, lol, then there's reality

you need oil, everyone does, an oil free economy is decades away, if at all

the Feds have a plan, they've put 1billion+ into it, supposedly

it's either a pipeline or trains, take your pick
 

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when we shut off the taps, how do you think you're going to get you oil or gas?

build another pipeline? lol

bring it in by ship from Saudi Arabia? lol

or are you going to move the 4 million in the lower mainland by horse and cart?

electric car, the ones Elon can't make enough of to supply the few who want them?

how are your whale watching boats going to sustain your economy?

the planes that won't be able to re-fuel at your airport to bring your tourists in?

who's going to pay for that?

there are delusions, just listen to your Green leader, he's a complete moron, listening to him, you'd think your economy was without oil now, lol, then there's reality

you need oil, everyone does, an oil free economy is decades away, if at all

the Feds have a plan, they've put 1billion+ into it, supposedly

it's either a pipeline or trains, take your pick
Not making a pun but BC should not be held over a barrel for the expediency of the transport of bitumen to the inner harbour of Vancouver.

Yes we need oil but not to have the Vancouver harbour fucked up by some super tanker having an accident in the second busiest harbour on the West Coast.

Who is gonna pay when a disaster happens? Alberta hasn't committed, Feds may pay back after a spill and if its on land like the last time a broken pipe occurred on land in Burnaby it be up to us first and hope for reimbursement later. Our end on this deal is 10% and 50 permanent jobs. Hardly worth it IMO.

http://www.macleans.ca/economy/a-b-c-pipeline-spill-would-be-inevitable-but-who-would-pay/
 

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when we shut off the taps, how do you think you're going to get you oil or gas?

S. 92A(2) of Constitution Act prevents any province from discriminating on price or supplies when exporting primary products from nonrenewable resources to another province. I think Noteley's sabre rattling is nothing more than her frustration showing up. Read the Constitutional provision here: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/Const/page-4.html

build another pipeline? lol

bring it in by ship from Saudi Arabia? lol

or are you going to move the 4 million in the lower mainland by horse and cart?

electric car, the ones Elon can't make enough of to supply the few who want them?

how are your whale watching boats going to sustain your economy?

the planes that won't be able to re-fuel at your airport to bring your tourists in?

who's going to pay for that?

there are delusions, just listen to your Green leader, he's a complete moron, listening to him, you'd think your economy was without oil now, lol, then there's reality

you need oil, everyone does, an oil free economy is decades away, if at all

the Feds have a plan, they've put 1billion+ into it, supposedly
The feds' plan announced yesterday, without detail, is to mitigate investor risk, intended solely to convince KM to not cancel the project. There was nothing announced yesterday to mitigate BC's concern regarding devastation that would be caused from potential spills, except for cosmetic tweaking of the Ocean Protection Plan. The feds' plan is a financial measure the finance minister will be negotiating with KM, that will cushion financiual risks to rich investors from Houston. The money for that cushion will come entirely from Canadian traxpayers like you and me. That, my friend, is called socializing project's financial risks and privatizing profits. Yep, sounds like a great plan, meh?

it's either a pipeline or trains, take your pick
S. 92A(2) of Constitution Act prevents any province from discriminating on price or supplies when exporting primary products from nonrenewable resources to another province. I think Noteley's sabre rattling is nothing more than her frustration showing up. Read the Constitutional provision here: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/Const/page-4.html

The feds' plan announced yesterday, without detail, is to mitigate investor risk, intended solely to convince KM to not cancel the project. There was nothing announced yesterday to mitigate BC's concern regarding devastation that would be caused from potential spills, except for cosmetic tweaking of the Ocean Protection Plan. The feds' plan is a financial measure the finance minister will be negotiating with KM, that will cushion financiual risks to rich investors from Houston. The money for that cushion will come entirely from Canadian traxpayers like you and me. That, my friend, is called socializing project's financial risks and privatizing profits. Yep, sounds like a great plan, meh?
 

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you'd think your economy was without oil now, lol, then there's reality
Reality is the BC economy is doing fine without the pipeline. Where is the benefit for BC?

Sell it to British Columbians. Convince them it is good for them, not just good for Albertans.

And when, not if, there is a spill, who pays?
The people on the coast whose livelihoods/property is ruined?
The Albertans who take 90% of the profit?
Absentee investment funds?
 

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Reality is the BC economy is doing fine without the pipeline. Where is the benefit for BC?

Sell it to British Columbians. Convince them it is good for them, not just good for Albertans.

And when, not if, there is a spill, who pays?
The people on the coast whose livelihoods/property is ruined?
The Albertans who take 90% of the profit?
Absentee investment funds?
lol, reality

you're running a deficit, you have a balanced budget on the operational side, crooked accounting, the new norm in Canada

your economy, lol, based on what?

inflated housing? your subsidized forestry industry? Fishing?

your property transfer tax? what is that 5% of your budget?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...er-tax-barely-mentioned-in-campaign-1.4080752


the biggest bunch of bullshit about BC is how great environmental stewards you are

really? have you seen the amount of coal you are shipping to CHINA thru your lovely ports?

or how about how much shit your Capital is spewing into your beloved coastal waters on a daily basis?

or how about how your new NDP gov't is perfectly ok with natural gas, cause that ain't no carbon right?

those airplanes, cruise ships, they're all run on Unicorn farts, right?
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you economy will grind to a halt without oil, plain and simple

and you get most of it from ALBERTA, delude yourself all you want, that's where it comes from

you don't think that's a benefit?

let's just hope Kenny grabs his balls, cuts you off

and we get to see how that works out for your economy



so quit taking what we give you now, if your so ethical

the biggest joke is you already have it going out on tankers already, the old pipe has been there for 50yrs

hypocrites, pretty much the def of it
 

storm rider

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lol, reality

you're running a deficit, you have a balanced budget on the operational side, crooked accounting, the new norm in Canada

your economy, lol, based on what?

inflated housing? your subsidized forestry industry? Fishing?

your property transfer tax? what is that 5% of your budget?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...er-tax-barely-mentioned-in-campaign-1.4080752


the biggest bunch of bullshit about BC is how great environmental stewards you are

really? have you seen the amount of coal you are shipping to CHINA thru your lovely ports?

or how about how much shit your Capital is spewing into your beloved coastal waters on a daily basis?

or how about how your new NDP gov't is perfectly ok with natural gas, cause that ain't no carbon right?

those airplanes, cruise ships, they're all run on Unicorn farts, right?
:twitch:




you economy will grind to a halt without oil, plain and simple

and you get most of it from ALBERTA, delude yourself all you want, that's where it comes from

you don't think that's a benefit?

let's just hope Kenny grabs his balls, cuts you off

and we get to see how that works out for your economy



so quit taking what we give you now, if your so ethical

the biggest joke is you already have it going out on tankers already, the old pipe has been there for 50yrs

hypocrites, pretty much the def of it
A golden high five to those sentiments and I would like to add...how many "oil spills have happened" in the port of Vancouver or along the BC coast EVER?For the uninformed under International Maritime Law ALL oil tankers are now DOUBLED hulled....the only way you get more steel on a ship is if it a naval vessel(though that does not include Canada's paper navy) and how many of those precious Killer Whales been killed by tanker collisions?.....answer to the latter is ZERO....Killer Whales are not stupid,they know how to hunt and survive and they also know that a large steel vessel will kill them.On the opposite side of the country which was opposed to the energy east pipeline the city of Montral shits up the St.Lawrence seaway(sewage way is more apt) with 500,000 tons of raw sewage from Montreal but a pipeline to transport ethical oil from Alberta to the other end of the country is opposed because it is dirty....rather have that conflict oil from Saudi Arabia which has a shitty human rights record....or a central american dictatorship.....so on and so forth.

The attack on the oilsands as "Dirty Oil" started up about 14 years ago and the people leading the charge are all on the take.....they are getting paid to trash the largest unconventional oil deposit on the face of the earth.

SR
 

badbadboy

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If anyone is interested, CPAC is broadcasting the emergency debate in the Commons right now.

I haven't seen either the Liberal or Conservative leaders and it's basically a few backbench Liberals debating with Elizabeth May and a few of the NDP.

Still, the Greens and NDP are raising some good points about Kinder Morgan and their lousy record of cleanup after one of their pipelines burst.
 
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