phew! that's a relief...so are you saying that if those 125,000+ poor/weak/old folks in The US could have survived COVID-19, they would have ended-up with the sniffles?
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Thats my very thought all along, here hospital layoffs are happening. The profitable elective surgeries were put off so money was not flowing in and workers were laid off. Now that increased testing has come around hospitals are having covid cases left and right. Hospitals and doctors are lying to get the government Money. I doubt there are enough government investigators out there to seek out fraud covid charges accessed and charged to Medicaid.
Trust no one out there, once the money goes dries anything goes.
WHO f*cked up with that announcement - they don't have enough data for asymptomatic transmission. So asymptomatic transmission could still happen.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who-comments-asymptomatic-spread-covid-19/
I'm not a doctor and I'm not going to rely on my "common sense" to make decisions that could affect other people. Dr Bonnie is still reporting fresh cases every day so if we're not careful, this shit could blow up again.
On 1 March, Italy had 34 deaths from C19 so....not a biggie, right? I mean, what's 34 people compared to the whole population of Italy. And I'd agree if there were only 36 dead 2 weeks later.
60 days later? 28,000 dead. About half of the seating capacity of BC place stadium.
https://lab.gedidigital.it/gedi-visual/2020/coronavirus-i-contagi-in-italia/
The new "ugly American"
There were reports today that multiple Washington State licence plates have been showing up at French Creek on Vancouver Island. Did drivers tell Canadian Border Services they were going to Alaska? Did they take a wrong turn somewhere and end up on a ferry to Vancouver Island? The Island has been virtually COVID free for the past few weeks, and we wanted to keep it that way.
There were reports today that multiple Washington State licence plates have been showing up at French Creek on Vancouver Island. Did drivers tell Canadian Border Services they were going to Alaska? Did they take a wrong turn somewhere and end up on a ferry to Vancouver Island? The Island has been virtually COVID free for the past few weeks, and we wanted to keep it that way.
Lots of Americans in Banff too. RCMP said they were stopping off on their way to Alaska.
If they want to go to Alaska they can take a ferry. Otherwise stay in the USA leper colony.
I buy a lot of stuff right from mail order places in Japan. Many will not ship to USA because they don't want to accept returns from USA.
If they want to go to Alaska they can take a ferry. Otherwise stay in the USA leper colony.
I buy a lot of stuff right from mail order places in Japan. Many will not ship to USA because they don't want to accept returns from USA.
Hi Karen. Relax ok?Do you think people took my 0.25 death rate and decided to go do whatever they wanted to out there. I took that out of something I read and posted it. I don’t think anyone takes medical advice literally on perb but maybe you.
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? I don't see how the original CDC report supports an "extremely low covid 19 death rate". They're all planning scenarios, not actual conclusions supported by data. Show me where it says so.
WHO reported 3.4% estimate, but it really depends on the locality and severity. In Wuhan, it was 5.8% but in other areas of China, it was 0.7%. It's savage on nursing homes and those with risk factors.
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Why can't people leave alone all the "internet" suggested conspiracy theories?
Because they don't have concrete data to produce and/or they are lazy by nature.
Therefore IMO I'll go back to basics. Hmmmm, Covid arrives, some people get sick.
Some people do not. Some people die because of all this. Too many in fact because of
all this. Remember its called "novel corona virus 19" .
It's a novelty alright in the sense it is new and still kicking up a frenzy where people
want to ignore it. Need I mention by whom, and where?
..............and I don't mean by the good people here on perb.
The US is leaning on the precipace of being the nation to lead the earth in
morbid stupidity of how the virus has been handled by numbers alone.
Never mind the political bull shit for fucks sakes. Just use the KISS theory.
Keep it simple stupid or you may also wind up as a case or a stat.
Take your pick !!! Either way if you get it you could wind up very sick
or dead. Search out someone who has had it and ask them how they felt
by having it. It's not like your standard flu laddy's.
Hence the name "novel"....and we're going into summer or so it seems here
and the covid is still with us. Who would of ever thought. Flu season is usually
over by the end of April. With a few lingering cases here and there.
Oh but wait, there's another newby coming into the forefront just to confuse the
shit outta the internet mongers as I like to call them....you know, the types who don't
put enough tinfoil around their heads to keep their brains from being microwaved
by the alt right conspiracy theorists since 2016 so they have an excuse not to use their
own brains but have someone else do their thinking for them. Incredible......
The new so called G virus or a.k.a. new version swine flu. Oh BOY!!!!
Or the myriad of conspiracy mongers hence within,
Flat earthers, so on and so forth.
First rendition, Richard NIxon was the first to declare
"fake news" and we all know what happened to that fucker..
Those are the same who tell the whole country it's all
fake news people........of course except for state run TV. what a joke!!!!
Although I must say FOX has lately been telling people to wear their masks!!
Bloody good for them, maybe they are starting to get it?? Let's hope so.
The first time I heard trump say watch out for the fake news my hair stood
up on the back of my neck and was stunned by that statement.
I said to myself, "no way are you kidding me?"
80 (not including Nixon) some years gone by and nothing learned by humanity?
WTF???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?! Historical proof that trump is the divider
in chief.
Hitler did the same damn thing in '36, Stalin same. Mussolini, same.
State run says it all. Might as well be called stalin tv or Nazi TV.
CCTV or any other news from other countries who have that.
Man are we ever in really fucked up times. Civil division not being the smallest
of problems. Hopefully that will end after the November election and the filth
and vermin of THAT division is ridden of.
.......................QM'r
Because they don't have concrete data to produce and/or they are lazy by nature.
Therefore IMO I'll go back to basics. Hmmmm, Covid arrives, some people get sick.
Some people do not. Some people die because of all this. Too many in fact because of
all this. Remember its called "novel corona virus 19" .
It's a novelty alright in the sense it is new and still kicking up a frenzy where people
want to ignore it. Need I mention by whom, and where?
..............and I don't mean by the good people here on perb.
The US is leaning on the precipace of being the nation to lead the earth in
morbid stupidity of how the virus has been handled by numbers alone.
Never mind the political bull shit for fucks sakes. Just use the KISS theory.
Keep it simple stupid or you may also wind up as a case or a stat.
Take your pick !!! Either way if you get it you could wind up very sick
or dead. Search out someone who has had it and ask them how they felt
by having it. It's not like your standard flu laddy's.
Hence the name "novel"....and we're going into summer or so it seems here
and the covid is still with us. Who would of ever thought. Flu season is usually
over by the end of April. With a few lingering cases here and there.
Oh but wait, there's another newby coming into the forefront just to confuse the
shit outta the internet mongers as I like to call them....you know, the types who don't
put enough tinfoil around their heads to keep their brains from being microwaved
by the alt right conspiracy theorists since 2016 so they have an excuse not to use their
own brains but have someone else do their thinking for them. Incredible......
The new so called G virus or a.k.a. new version swine flu. Oh BOY!!!!
Or the myriad of conspiracy mongers hence within,
Flat earthers, so on and so forth.
First rendition, Richard NIxon was the first to declare
"fake news" and we all know what happened to that fucker..
Those are the same who tell the whole country it's all
fake news people........of course except for state run TV. what a joke!!!!
Although I must say FOX has lately been telling people to wear their masks!!
Bloody good for them, maybe they are starting to get it?? Let's hope so.
The first time I heard trump say watch out for the fake news my hair stood
up on the back of my neck and was stunned by that statement.
I said to myself, "no way are you kidding me?"
80 (not including Nixon) some years gone by and nothing learned by humanity?
WTF???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?! Historical proof that trump is the divider
in chief.
Hitler did the same damn thing in '36, Stalin same. Mussolini, same.
State run says it all. Might as well be called stalin tv or Nazi TV.
CCTV or any other news from other countries who have that.
Man are we ever in really fucked up times. Civil division not being the smallest
of problems. Hopefully that will end after the November election and the filth
and vermin of THAT division is ridden of.
.......................QM'r
I get what you're saying, but something that can grow from 34 to 28,000 in 60 days is really something.
Just imagine you notice your backyard deck is listing a bit, so you get a quote for fixing it. Oh, no problem - it's only $300.
2 months later? Oh, sorry it's gonna cost you $280,000. (!!!!)
Ok Karen and what do you think you’re doing? Your own confirmation bias is what’s alarming, and why a giant portion of the world live in fear instead of REALITY. You really want to stand here and tell us all that the mortality rate is really as simple as dividing total deaths by total recovered? You really must be clueless.
What you’ve utterly failed to do, and why these numbers will always be flawed, is because you don’t take into account all the positive carriers of the virus who have little to no symptoms, and were never tested. Nobody knows this number! Nobody! If you don’t have symptoms, and were never tested you are still a survivor/recoverer, but because you weren’t tested, can’t be included in the figures - which even then are dubious at best with so many false positives. You could very well have 10x the amount of positive carriers of the virus, not yet tested, be asymptomatic - and then the REALITY is more like 127K / 30,000,000. 0.423%, for arguments sake. So, unless the virus stops spreading today (unlikely) and we have everyone tested at the same time (impossible) - what you’re saying is complete nonsense.
I’ve actually written a clearcut well laid out sensible idea, and your best response is to tell me I’m the one with a lack of reading skills?
Just to be clear here, so everyone knows where you’re coming from - you will go out on a limb and say that asymptomatic positive carriers of the virus, who show no symptoms or very mild, who aren’t tested and don’t get tested (because they don’t even know they had it) and recover completely, can NOT in your view, be considered a survivor. Interesting thought process there. Only those tested positive for it, and died whilst being also tested positive for it count, but not the other millions of people who caught it, and had no symptoms and yet to be tested. They don’t count. Interesting.
You really believe then, that the US Covid death rate is actually 10% then. And you believe wholeheartedly that every death listed as one was purely from Covid. You sir, are special.
What are you guys arguing about?
Covid was basically the straw that broke the camels back
For mostly the elderly that is with underlying problems.
Others much younger have died also. Many so sick they didn't even
know their own names. Others yet with underlying disease they will
probably never recover from like a breathing problem or coughing
and different types of sores and inflamation.
This disease is plain freekin nasty!!!!
If you're referring to the elderly, which I believe someone mentioned
the mean age was 79 point something years?
What's so hard to figure about that?
More than 128,000+ dead now in about 4 months.
That surely could not be from just plain 'ol died of natural causes.?
Could it?? lol!!
Btw, who the hell is Karen?
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I was referring to Nathans as Karen, since it was already done once before - it’s just a figure of speech. “Karen” is a typical simpleton who has a holier than thou stance when debating with others - even when proven wrong. I provided a reasonable argument - and instead of responding to the argument with a properly formed rebuttal, he had nothing else to say but to comment about my reading and comprehension skills. That’s a very “Karen-esque” move.
No where did I ever declare the pandemic over, or not serious for some who are most prone to being immunocompromised. I would just rather look at this, like many others, from a more realistic standpoint vs doomsday horror. Any rational person can deduce that the mortality rate from COVID is not really as simple as calculating positive cases/recovered to the dead. You have to include those who have the virus and are asymptomatic also - because they do in fact survive, without symptoms. I even stated that nobody knows this figure, it could be 5 million people it could be 50 million, nobody knows. Without this crucial information, it is impossible to figure out actual mortality rate.
The US is a special case by itself. The main thing to pay attention to and monitor are hospitalizations and deaths. Cases mean nothing if less people are being treated for severe symptoms, and ultimately dying over the long term. This is a very good thing - it means the virus is mutating.
As for their reported deaths - it’s another case where I don’t fully support or trust their figures. Especially since so much money is being pumped into each positive diagnosis and subsequent treatment, it shouldn’t be much of a shock their healthcare system will do whatever is necessary to get a positive test result. It means more money! There has to be a way to scrutinize protocols much more closely and decipher which deaths were caused by COVID, not just listed as one because that patient happens to test positive which is what they are doing now. In Nathan’s world, you could die from a heart attack tomorrow, and if you test positive for COVID, he would have no issues with calling cause of death - Covid19. I, on the other hand, would call it a cardiac arrest. This type of scrutiny is crucial! As an aside, 400K Americans die each year from heart disease. That’s 1100 a day.
In the end, it’s up to you. I just don’t think it’s really a 10% mortality rate, and that it’s not that simple to calculate.
Based on cases reported (Case Fatality Rate), John Hopkins is showing a range of 0.1% (Singapore) to 15.8% (Belgium) - I'm ignoring Yemen's 27% since it's such an outlier.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
But theloadmaster is correct - due to the asymptomatic nature of the virus, there might be a whole lot of infected individuals that we don't know about. This would drive down the mortality rate. However, that being said, a common cold doesn't cause massive hospitalization surges or lingering health issues like COVID.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
But theloadmaster is correct - due to the asymptomatic nature of the virus, there might be a whole lot of infected individuals that we don't know about. This would drive down the mortality rate. However, that being said, a common cold doesn't cause massive hospitalization surges or lingering health issues like COVID.
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Gotta agree with you guys on that. Also add into the equation that the doctors and scientists both
confirm that infected also means you will spread the disease even if you are asymptomatic.
Scary shit indeed, as this virus propogates itself in some cases without ALERTING the infected
person that they are unknowingly spreading it around.
This is what blows my mind about seeing people out in their hundreds in some places around the US
and seem totally oblivious to this fact. What the hell is wrong with people?
Even here in B.C. I've still got the jitters about how we're going into stage 3, have opened
swimming pools, (indoor and outdoors) REALLY??????
Covid is still here and I hope that is not our straw that breaks the camels back and puts
us back into the "lock em up" style of living once again.
If that happens I doubt their will be much of any schools opening here in the fall.
Time will tell like it just did in the states. Things are looking really shitty down there
at the moment. Once again.
Someone said something somewhere about a shit show? God I hope not.
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Not surprising and will get worse if tRUMP's demagogue, authoritarian threats at state gov's
to reopen the schools makes it happen> Then it's up to the teachers and parents
to tell him to go fuck himself especially when he hasn't even produced a plan to reopening
the schools safely. Show me a plan please to safely put kids and teachers back to
school. Instead of being a Commie Marxist Lennonist and shouting orders.
Modern day NAZI ADOLF HITLER.............FUCK YOU!!!!!!!
If this alone doesn't prove he don't give a shit for the people of the country I
don't know what else you could say. This is all you need.
Right Tucker?, you moronic fuckhead!!
God I couldn't believe the toxic shit he was spewing today and all the while
me envisioning tRUMP's smiling face in the background.
Twilight Zone anyone?!
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to reopen the schools makes it happen> Then it's up to the teachers and parents
to tell him to go fuck himself especially when he hasn't even produced a plan to reopening
the schools safely. Show me a plan please to safely put kids and teachers back to
school. Instead of being a Commie Marxist Lennonist and shouting orders.
Modern day NAZI ADOLF HITLER.............FUCK YOU!!!!!!!
If this alone doesn't prove he don't give a shit for the people of the country I
don't know what else you could say. This is all you need.
Right Tucker?, you moronic fuckhead!!
God I couldn't believe the toxic shit he was spewing today and all the while
me envisioning tRUMP's smiling face in the background.
Twilight Zone anyone?!
.......................QM'r
Ever been out with a buddy who's plastered out of his mind and you just want to get him (and yourself) home safe and call it a night, but he gets angry at you because you won't have another round of shots with him?
I'm getting the same feeling reading this article:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7160749/canada-us-border-push/
The US wants our border reopened now, and apparently we're not being good friends by showing our reluctance.
I'm getting the same feeling reading this article:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7160749/canada-us-border-push/
The US wants our border reopened now, and apparently we're not being good friends by showing our reluctance.
Yeah well.....it’s every nation for themselves right now.
They believe they are a nation who can stand alone against any enemy, against economic disaster, or any threat.....and now they are afraid to touch their own faces, due to a virus they cannot see.
They have been slapping us around with our resources for years....thinking that we need them, more than they need us.
They have conducted themselves like they are not part of the rest of the world, but a entity unto themselves.
Time to sleep in that overstuffed, oversized bed they’ve made for themselves.....and go find your own fucking resources.
I'm with ya. Only, if Trump is willing to cut off funding of any elementary school in the US that defies his will, you know sanctions are in our future. It's the only move he seems to know. (I've never read Art of the Deal. Was it a pamphlet?)
And you know that will be fuel for yet another economy vs. safety throwdown between our Conservatives and Liberals.
Edit to add: though you'd think in a grown-up world, it's be every nation working together to defeat this thing. The good news is that's probably true amongst the scientists.
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