Can we trust the World Health Organization with respect to Covid-19

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haakon said:
Is pooning withdrawal affecting the mental capacity of people on this forum? Or have they always been feeble minded conspiracy theorists? The WHO has been warning the world for months that this was coming. Most countries have willfully chosen to turn a deaf ear and not begin preparations. Our ignorance and lack of preparation is now kicking our collective asses. This is not the World Health Organization's fault.
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I remember quite a lot of press coverage of the COVID-19 (Coronavirus at the time) starting around early to mid-January. I started following WHO updates shortly afterwards, and they began publishing daily situation reports since Jan 21, 2020. Here is the first report from Jan 21 if anyone is interested.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...0121-sitrep-1-2019-ncov.pdf?sfvrsn=20a99c10_4
 
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haakon said:
Is pooning withdrawal affecting the mental capacity of people on this forum? Or have they always been feeble minded conspiracy theorists? The WHO has been warning the world for months that this was coming. Most countries have willfully chosen to turn a deaf ear and not begin preparations. Our ignorance and lack of preparation is now kicking our collective asses. This is not the World Health Organization's fault.
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Is Trump suffering from pooning withdrawl?
 
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Did you just say that a supposedly reputable organization that is a UN specialized agency with its parent organization being the UN Economic and Social Council spreading disinformation is better than having no information at all???? Really? I personally would think that is an extremely dangerous proposition.

And how on the one hand can you accuse people of calling WHO a finger puppet of China being wrong and in the same breath say that they have to placate certain countries to maintain a dialogue. So which is it?

I think its pretty obvious that the WHO IS a finger puppet of China and in the rare instance that both FOX and CNN actually agree on something it has to be given a lot of credence. Just watching that Canadian WHO official dodging the Taiwan question through every means possible tells you everything.
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yes, thats exactly what i'm saying... just like everything associated with the UN. the UN is supported by member nations and must attempt to navigate being effective in the face of the big guys wanting things their way.

FOX and CNN don't agree on the topic. CNN is identifying the inherent flaws in this type of organization.

FOX is just pursuing the usual finger pointing (chinese virus), us vs them, political correctness (no, seriously, political correctness!!) bullshit.

i don't see the WHO saying that the US are a bunch of losers for not addressing this more quickly and not becoming the next Italy either! the US have plenty of smart people who knew what the WHO was saying... what it implied... how much the Chinese could be believed... and what needed to be done to protect the US population. but it all goes the way of Italy too when nobody wants to listen.

maybe out of this we can have an international body, financed through trade agreements and able to enforce health and safety through financial means tied to those agreements. or something similar.
 
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marsvolta said:
maybe out of this we can have an international body, financed through trade agreements and able to enforce health and safety through financial means tied to those agreements. or something similar.
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Why would any government want to cede healthcare matters of their citizens to an organization (any organization) that is not accountable to it's own people??? Moreover, why would Canadians want their healthcare matters controlled (even partially) by an organization that is not accountable to us??? This is laughable, but you're basically advocating a partial out-sourcing of our own government - that's a scary thought! Not only that, you basically want to give this hypothetical non-elected international organization taxation powers?!?!? Because "financed through trade agreements" basically means you want this hypothetical organization to collect money based on international trade (like a tariff or TAX).
 
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appleomac said:
Why would any government want to cede healthcare matters of their citizens to an organization (any organization) that is not accountable to it's own people??? Moreover, why would Canadians want their healthcare matters controlled (even partially) by an organization that is not accountable to us??? This is laughable, but you're basically advocating a partial out-sourcing of our own government - that's a scary thought! Not only that, you basically want to give this hypothetical non-elected international organization taxation powers?!?!? Because "financed through trade agreements" basically means you want this hypothetical organization to collect money based on international trade (like a tariff or TAX).
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for sure, i certainly don't know what an organization like that would look like. and its not about specific healthcare more than its simply about the sharing of accurate information. financed in a way that makes it enforceable. i only thought of trade agreements because when those agreements aren't respected then there is financial restitution involved. but honestly, i don't know if thats feasible or not.

again, the critical thing is the sharing of factual information. and just like the WHO, its not up to them to deem whether some country did their best or not in a crisis, which seems to be a bone of contention with the WHO recently that they aren't pointing fingers. any organization that was also supposed to point fingers would immediately be left in the cold.
 
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marsvolta said:
for sure, i certainly don't know what an organization like that would look like. and its not about specific healthcare more than its simply about the sharing of accurate information. financed in a way that makes it enforceable. i only thought of trade agreements because when those agreements aren't respected then there is financial restitution involved. but honestly, i don't know if thats feasible or not.

again, the critical thing is the sharing of factual information. and just like the WHO, its not up to them to deem whether some country did their best or not in a crisis, which seems to be a bone of contention with the WHO recently that they aren't pointing fingers. any organization that was also supposed to point fingers would immediately be left in the cold.
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No organization, no government can compel another government to "share accurate information" if a government doesn't want to. More financing, more money for the WHO or whoever will not stop a country from under-reporting if that's what they choose to do - a BIGGER BADDER WHO will not change that. No one has perfect information, we work with what we have - tragic as that may be to you, but that's life.
 
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Centralized information processing system is ideal if governments cooperate fully with each other. For WHO it can't force governments to comply with its requests, so it failed this time.

The next best thing is to have information gathering points all over the world. US CDC had 47 staff in China who could have acted as first warning system, but the "nobody knows Covid-19 better than me" Trump reduced that number to 14, removed professionals including epidemiologists.

Once the trouble hits home, treat it seriously. Calling it a "hoax" or "nothing more than a flu" won't make the problem go away, firing a captain of an aircraft carrier who raised alarm of an outbreak on the ship or saying face masks are useless will not make the problem go away.

After all these, there will be a lot less trust among countries. Organizations like WHO will be useless, countries will take matters into their own hands and will try to produce all essentials locally. Say good-bye to large corporations and cheap products, life will be back to 1960.
 
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I don't think we can believe much of anything that we're being told by anyone.

There are lots of rumours that hospitals are being told to report every death as Covid-19 in the U.S.

You can do your own political analysis on why that might be given the general leanings in the states with the most cases.

Up here, we can count on Trudeau to do whatever he can to increase his power base and take our money to spend on his whims.

Be glad when it's over, assuming it ever ends.
 
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Mikehma said:
I don't think we can believe much of anything that we're being told by anyone.

There are lots of rumours that hospitals are being told to report every death as Covid-19 in the U.S.

You can do your own political analysis on why that might be given the general leanings in the states with the most cases.

Up here, we can count on Trudeau to do whatever he can to increase his power base and take our money to spend on his whims.

Be glad when it's over, assuming it ever ends.
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I don't know wtf you are talking about?
 
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Trusting in Trudeau, or the WHO, is just plain being foolish!
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Trudeau especially. Seems Sophie flew the coop once she got better. Not one picture of the selfie king with his beard and her. Perhaps the rumoured $2.2 Million for the NDA to hide his underage adventures in Vancouver are true.
Aga Kahn
His trust fund growth since taking office
SNC
UN Seat at our expense
Clown in India
Attempted power grab in Covid-19 relief bill
Bill C-69
Bill C-48

Yep, real trustworthy. NOT
 
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I have heard the opposite, that Covid-19 deaths are under reported. Because they didn't have tests until recently, they were treating lung related deaths as pneumonia. If you have ever lived in the US, you would know that there is no uniformity of reporting standards within their society. My experience is that although Canada has challenges and is certainly not perfect, in the US it is literally chaotic - ranging from good to crazy. I lived 6 years in the US and my experiences doesn't come from newspapers, the Internet or blogs.
 
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Mikehma said:
Trudeau especially. Seems Sophie flew the coop once she got better. Not one picture of the selfie king with his beard and her. Perhaps the rumoured $2.2 Million for the NDA to hide his underage adventures in Vancouver are true.
Aga Kahn
His trust fund growth since taking office
SNC
UN Seat at our expense
Clown in India
Attempted power grab in Covid-19 relief bill
Bill C-69
Bill C-48

Yep, real trustworthy. NOT
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You must be one of the two people tuning in to hear Lame Duck Sheer try to preempt the Prime Minister's daily updates. Have you checked the Prime Minister's approval ratings lately? Your post illustrates that you still haven't accepted the fact that two-thirds of Canadians don't think like you, it is a sore loser attitude, emphasis on the 'loser'.
 
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