C.D.C. Weighs Advising Everyone to Wear a Mask
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Finally..
Their intentions were good, to maintain the supply of masks for first responders, but lying to us was not the way. It's patronizing and makes them lose credibility. I hope Dr Tam changes her tune in Canada pronto.
Their intentions were good, to maintain the supply of masks for first responders, but lying to us was not the way. It's patronizing and makes them lose credibility. I hope Dr Tam changes her tune in Canada pronto.
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https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-Wear-Masks&p=6666173&viewfull=1#post6666173
Availability of masks wasn't an issue in the Czech Republic. There are more than enough for everyone:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/03/28/masks-all-coronavirus/
DIY masks are being made at home by many using many materials, such as, for a few examples:
T-shirts
Bras
Underwear
Condoms
Paper towels
Kleenex
Duct tape
Vacuum bags
Other examples of masks available at home or obtainable in stores (e.g. Shoppers Drug Mart/ 7-11) or by online purchases:
Scarves
Balaclavas
Motorcycle helmet face shield
Halloween masks
Hockey mask w face shields
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/qjd59q/how-to-sew-your-own-face-mask-diy-covid-19
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/opinion/coronavirus-n95-mask.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/554fc263-af32-345e-b05a-08f8a38ecc42/u.s.-reviews-guidance-on.html
http://apkmetro.com/u-s-reviews-guidance-on-masks-to-fight-coronavirus-as-europe-embraces-their-use/
"U.S. public-health authorities are reviewing recommendations for wearing face masks and a wave of European governments have ordered citizens to use them outside the home, signaling a shift among Western governments on a contentious issue in the coronavirus pandemic.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-re...irus-as-europe-embraces-their-use-11585676543
I thought of you last night when they did this poll on the local news.
This gives you a rough idea of what Islanders think.
This gives you a rough idea of what Islanders think.
Thanks to the lies Dr. Tam is telling (or being told to tell).I thought of you last night when they did this poll on the local news.
This gives you a rough idea of what Islanders think.
Bandanna, soak it in urine, your's or a wolf's. Wrap around your head. Guaranteed to work, no one will come near you and you won't want to breathe. Leave the real masks for my daughter and son-in-law, both front line Docs.
Masks vs no masks...by country...chart.
I don't know how to copy this chart's image here, but the url follows:
https://twitter.com/_KentPham/status/1245225801710071808/photo/1
https://www.google.com/search?tbs=s...UKJzQIHUAMD64Qwg4oAHoECAoQJw&biw=1600&bih=789
https://top-logger.livejournal.com/23949.html
I don't know how to copy this chart's image here, but the url follows:
https://twitter.com/_KentPham/status/1245225801710071808/photo/1
https://www.google.com/search?tbs=s...UKJzQIHUAMD64Qwg4oAHoECAoQJw&biw=1600&bih=789
https://top-logger.livejournal.com/23949.html
"My data-focused research institute, fast.ai, has found 34 scientific papers indicating basic masks can be effective in reducing virus transmission in public
— and not a single paper that shows clear evidence that they cannot."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/03/28/masks-all-coronavirus/
Here is a list of the papers:
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/...hsC_jpblXpNtQ/preview#heading=h.9yzpxufkt5ow]
— and not a single paper that shows clear evidence that they cannot."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/03/28/masks-all-coronavirus/
Here is a list of the papers:
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/...hsC_jpblXpNtQ/preview#heading=h.9yzpxufkt5ow]
LOL. Don't get me wrong, it's a good graph. But the graph isn't tracking masks, or whom/what portion of the population wear masks. Someone just photoshopped a couple of circles and wrote in "masks" and "no masks" when the graph is actually not tracking anything to do with masks. That said, I've traveled and spent significant amounts of time in Asia (not necessarily China, but certainly in Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, etc.). And yes, Asians do tend to wear simple surgical masks even for simple things like a common cold or during allergy season - it's a cultural characteristic. More deeply rooted in that particular Asian cultural characteristic is that Asians (generally, in particular in my experience in Japan) have more of an orientation towards collectivism vs. individualism. In my opinion, citizens of those countries tend to comply with government recommendations/orders more willingly - as they view it for the greater good. Whereas, North Americans (being more oriented towards individualism) need more "convincing" before widespread compliance is achieved. This difference in orientation (i.e. collectivism vs individualism) is seen time and time again in different situations when comparing let's say Japan vs US/Canada responses to different things.
Therefore, if you want to wear a mask, go for it. If you don't want to wear a mask, that's also your choice. But I don't think assuming Asians wearing masks is the best way to explain why certain Asian countries have done "relatively well" vs other countries. Keep in mind, given Asians propensity to comply with government recommendations/orders, the "relatively low" incidences might have been achieved in those countries simply based on (granted I'm assuming here) higher compliance to government recommendations/orders - there's really no way of knowing, because they were already wearing masks at much greater frequency prior to this pandemic.
True. I assumed that would be obvious to readers.
The Czech Republic are not Asians. Yet the whole nation (see post #4) just implemented required mask wearing in only a few days. A number of other European nations have acted similarly with more on the way.
It may not remain a choice in many places for long. It's already required by law in certain situations in a number of places.
Certainly it's unknown how much positive effect mask wearing has had relative to other measures Asian countries have used. Masks are not necessarily the only reason mask wearing countries have been more successful. I would say they are not.
The Ig Nobel prize-winning gas mask bra !!
https://www.theguardian.com/education/video/2010/mar/09/ig-nobel-gas-mask-bra
https://www.theguardian.com/education/video/2010/mar/09/ig-nobel-gas-mask-bra
So? That's just what the Czech government chose to do. Maybe that proves that the Czech government beliefs masks are the "magic bullet", I really don't know. My point about Asians spoke to cultural attitudes and cultural behaviour (i.e. propensity to comply for the greater good). The Czech government implementing a new rule or law does not say anything about cultural attitudes or cultural pre-disposition of the Czech people to behave in a certain manner - it's just shows you a law that the Czech government wanted to implement.
Following the accounts in the Czech Republic, from what i've read it was a people first movement. Only later did the government step in and make it a matter of law.
P.S. i edited my previous post to you.
Again, so what? I wrote about my experience and opinions of Asian culture. That doesn't mean other cultures are not also more oriented towards collectivism - in other words it doesn't mean all non-Asians are not oriented towards collectivism. Heck, I'm sure there are some Asians living in Asia that a very individualistic - but as a whole population, Asians are generally more oriented towards collectivism than most Western democracies. I can't speak for the Czech Republic specifically, as I have no experience there. Having said all that, if one is more oriented towards collectivism (i.e. the "greater good") and believes wearing a mask is for that "greater good" I'm sure they do not need the government to tell them to "wear a mask." Such individual is already wearing a mask while self-isolating in their home - I say that half jokingly - given my experience/travels in Asia, I'm convinced there are many Japanese self-isolating in their homes with their masks on when they interact with others in their home.
Forget about all that. These are not matters of opinion nor politics. Think about it from a more pragmatic point of view. We know that:
1) The virus is not airborne. It travels in micro-droplets. Could stay in the air, within the droplets, for some time and travel distances as long as 27 feet [ source - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763852?resultClick=1 ]
2) The droplets the virus travels within are larger than 2.5 µm [ source - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3785820/ ]
3) Most masks will stop a (often large) percentage of small particles
More simply put, any barrier you put between your lungs and potentially contaminated air, is better than no barrier. Even if the filtration rate is not 100%, it minimizes the chances of infection for you, and perhaps most importantly from you to others.
Resources:
- https://medium.com/@Cancerwarrior/c...here-is-new-scientific-rationale-280e08ceee71
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBvFkQizTT4
- https://diymask.site/
- https://www.medscape.com/viewarticl...PKFsbREb2QX08-VYXXoR7Mf0wDqZi9WnYo_OUJj9CUL8M
I'm not here trying to convince anyone whether they should wear a mask or not. What I'm saying is that it may not be entirely accurate to attribute the low incidences in certain Asian countries entirely to masks. If I were a betting man, I would say that a plurality of factors contributed to their relatively low incidences. I will even say that masks can certainly be one of those factors. Another one of those factors is public compliance. Another factor is probably robust tracking and follow-up. And I'm sure there are other factors I am unaware of or cannot think of. Point being, when many factors contribute to an outcome, it is extremely difficult to isolate one factor and quantify it's "effect" or "contribution" to the outcome. It's like saying A+B+C+D+E = 37. What did A actually contribute to reaching that 37? We cannot know without more info. Again, as I've stated before, if you want to wear a mask, go for it - I'm not trying to stop you.
Canada and the US and the West in general kept telling us masks were useless and didn't help at all -OF COURSE DOCTORS AND NURSES FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON WEAR MASKS, but maybe they only wear them for decorative purposes or maybe to hide their identities but definitely not to protect themselves because you know, masks are useless... !! Korean and chinese and Asians in general wore masks, which is maybe, maybe what kept the infections there from getting out of control like they did in EU, Can and the US. Then, suddenly in Germany and Austria and probably other European countries they had a change of policy and just yesterday in Germany and before that in Austrian they made it mandatory for people to wear masks in public places or while using public transportations ! Then the US just yesterday said they were thinking about telling people there to start wearing masks ! Only a couple of days ago they -along with canada- were insisting that masks were useless !!!
It IS a shame that they for a long time kept telling us masks were useless and worse than that, they were telling us not to buy masks so we won't deplete the reserve of masks and to leave them for those who need them most (doctors...) !!!!!!!!!!!! WTF !! Are you telling me they were giving doctors and nurses masks they bought at the Dollar Store or hardware stores, 'cause you know, that's where most people got their masks ?!!!! What kind of a joke is this ??? The other joke, are you telling me a country like canada doesn't have and cannot make enough masks for all ?? This is just scandalous.
They're just making fools of themselves and just show us how unreliable they are when it comes to accurate information. Their credibility has also taken a big hit now but do they really care ?
I don't care if masks reduce my chance of getting the virus by only 10%. I'd take 10% reduction than zero, any time.
It IS a shame that they for a long time kept telling us masks were useless and worse than that, they were telling us not to buy masks so we won't deplete the reserve of masks and to leave them for those who need them most (doctors...) !!!!!!!!!!!! WTF !! Are you telling me they were giving doctors and nurses masks they bought at the Dollar Store or hardware stores, 'cause you know, that's where most people got their masks ?!!!! What kind of a joke is this ??? The other joke, are you telling me a country like canada doesn't have and cannot make enough masks for all ?? This is just scandalous.
They're just making fools of themselves and just show us how unreliable they are when it comes to accurate information. Their credibility has also taken a big hit now but do they really care ?
I don't care if masks reduce my chance of getting the virus by only 10%. I'd take 10% reduction than zero, any time.
Should We Wear Masks? Terbites (83.33%) say yes:
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?708945-Should-We-Wear-Masks
I wonder what a PERB or MERB poll would say.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?708945-Should-We-Wear-Masks
I wonder what a PERB or MERB poll would say.
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