Thank you to everyone who responded to our first post about our feature length documentary Buying Sex. During our last visit to Vancouver in March we got the opportunity to interview several clients that we found on this site and it went really well. In order to get a range of experience and opinion we are hoping a few more of you will agree to an interview. We will be in Vancouver mid June to complete our filming. If you are interested in hearing more about us and about the film please contact us at buyingsex@gmail.com. We look forward to hearing from you soon.
Buying Sex Documentary opportunity
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Don't talk these kinds of documentary film makers. These films are so god-damned predictable.
The service providers will be portrayed as helpless victims who were abused by their uncle, father, boyfriend etc... in childhood. Trust me, they will find SPs with this history and concentrate on their stories. The high-priced, high-libido girls who thoroughly enjoy their work (ie those who are active on this board) and clear 6 figures a year will play a very minor role. They will get the happy girls out of the way early and then concentrate on the ladies who are victims of a society that forces the girls into this profession. BTW, 94% or is that 106.3% of all girls enter this profession when they are underage. Really!
The men will be portrayed as low IQ'd misogynists or as pathetic losers who cannot get laid any other way. The majority of the men shown in the doc will be cheating on a wife or a girlfriend. Two victims are better than one you know. Everybody will eventually be shown to regret that they are involved in this activity -- except maybe the loud-mouthed misogynists. Much time will be spent talking to people who WISELY came to their senses and distanced themselves from the industry.
Barbara Walters is gifted at making interviewees cry. These filmmakers will do the same. An intelligent, BMW-driving SP in an expensive DT condo, will be shown to be living the high life. But she will ultimately be shown breaking down in tears. It's a game of numbers. Interview enough girls and this will happen at least once.
Do I got the plot correct so far?
Same old biased misinformation. Guaranteed.
I challenge the film makers to mention this website and sites like TERB (if FredZed agrees) so that the viewers of the doc can see what REALLY goes on. Most of the SPs on this board are fun, intelligent and witty. It would be great if viewers can see that the people in this industry are normal people. Will you do that? No. What you may do is mention that there are websites where men discuss the gory details of their encounters, and rate women's body parts like objects...
I'll assume that Canadian tax dollars are being used to partially fund this. Wonderful.
The service providers will be portrayed as helpless victims who were abused by their uncle, father, boyfriend etc... in childhood. Trust me, they will find SPs with this history and concentrate on their stories. The high-priced, high-libido girls who thoroughly enjoy their work (ie those who are active on this board) and clear 6 figures a year will play a very minor role. They will get the happy girls out of the way early and then concentrate on the ladies who are victims of a society that forces the girls into this profession. BTW, 94% or is that 106.3% of all girls enter this profession when they are underage. Really!
The men will be portrayed as low IQ'd misogynists or as pathetic losers who cannot get laid any other way. The majority of the men shown in the doc will be cheating on a wife or a girlfriend. Two victims are better than one you know. Everybody will eventually be shown to regret that they are involved in this activity -- except maybe the loud-mouthed misogynists. Much time will be spent talking to people who WISELY came to their senses and distanced themselves from the industry.
Barbara Walters is gifted at making interviewees cry. These filmmakers will do the same. An intelligent, BMW-driving SP in an expensive DT condo, will be shown to be living the high life. But she will ultimately be shown breaking down in tears. It's a game of numbers. Interview enough girls and this will happen at least once.
Do I got the plot correct so far?
Same old biased misinformation. Guaranteed.
I challenge the film makers to mention this website and sites like TERB (if FredZed agrees) so that the viewers of the doc can see what REALLY goes on. Most of the SPs on this board are fun, intelligent and witty. It would be great if viewers can see that the people in this industry are normal people. Will you do that? No. What you may do is mention that there are websites where men discuss the gory details of their encounters, and rate women's body parts like objects...
I'll assume that Canadian tax dollars are being used to partially fund this. Wonderful.
You have some really interesting points around the portrayal of clients and SW in popular culture, any way you would consider talking with us further about participating? If so could you drop us a note and we can chat over email? I am also interested in this point you raise - "The high-priced, high-libido girls who thoroughly enjoy their work (ie those who are active on this board) and clear 6 figures a year will play a very minor role." I have to be honest and say we have not yet met many women like this but would be interested in doing so. Hoping someone might come forward and email us at buyingsex@gmail.com. Thanks so much.
I've met a couple of girls that would get pretty close to the 6 digit field. I've also met girls who have decent careers aside from the sex trade. They do this PT; partially the money, but mostly because they enjoy sex and the interaction with people. And the excitement that things are never monotonous.
Problem with a documentary in this nature is that you'd be exposing the fact that if a girl is smart, she can do this for 2 to 5 years, put the money into investments or education, and reitre by 30 or 40.
Ya know what happens when you expose that? Government crackdown. The government wants their cut. I admire what these girls do, because I couldn't do it myself. If they can retire after 10 years of this, good on them! Publicizing that will only damage the opportunity.
Your best bet is to find one of the girls who's already done this, and retired... but I think it would be selfish of her to blab, just to be in a film. Canadians don't pursue "Jersey Shore" fame. I hope.
So for this reason, it's inevitable that your film would dwell on the darker side of the business. Successful girls are smart enough not to pursue cheap fame.
...and I'm not interested in being interviewed either.
Problem with a documentary in this nature is that you'd be exposing the fact that if a girl is smart, she can do this for 2 to 5 years, put the money into investments or education, and reitre by 30 or 40.
Ya know what happens when you expose that? Government crackdown. The government wants their cut. I admire what these girls do, because I couldn't do it myself. If they can retire after 10 years of this, good on them! Publicizing that will only damage the opportunity.
Your best bet is to find one of the girls who's already done this, and retired... but I think it would be selfish of her to blab, just to be in a film. Canadians don't pursue "Jersey Shore" fame. I hope.
So for this reason, it's inevitable that your film would dwell on the darker side of the business. Successful girls are smart enough not to pursue cheap fame.
...and I'm not interested in being interviewed either.
re: "You have some really interesting points around the portrayal of clients and SW in popular culture"
SW=Street Walkers?
Of course. Your little doc will concentrate on street walkers. Now we have to add substance abuse and pimps and Pickton to the equation. Your agenda is so f'n transparent now.
And you want to talk to Perb members because you believe we all hire SWs right?
Mods please ban these f*ckers from the site.
SW=Street Walkers?
Of course. Your little doc will concentrate on street walkers. Now we have to add substance abuse and pimps and Pickton to the equation. Your agenda is so f'n transparent now.
And you want to talk to Perb members because you believe we all hire SWs right?
Mods please ban these f*ckers from the site.
I think you need to calm down a little. lol
I don't know the specifics about the documentary but they're allowed to post if they want. You're entitled to your opinion but it's not your decision who gets to post and who doesn't. I think SW was meant as Sex Worker and not Street Walker - although that is still probably who is portrayed in their docs.
However I do think that some information about the documentary and who is making it should have been and should be provided. It's a little suspicious because of the lack of information provided IMO.
There's a reason why it is hard to get women (who are not streetwalkers) to go on record in front of a camera to explain their reasons for choosing this work and their experiences, which are completely different than the stereotypes that people believe when they only ever get to see one single fraction (the smallest, btw) of this industry. It's the most visible and the most accessible for the media, for the public, for anti-prostitution abolitionists, etc. The problem is that it's also completely different in all aspects than the rest (and majority) of the industry.
The problem is that most of us who are the "invisible" majority do not consider it a particularly great idea to "out" ourselves and are very aware of the backlash to personal and professional relationships, the negative effects that it can have in the present but also in the future - just for
There are lots of women who speak up online and write about it candidly but that's because they can still remain reasonably anonymous. With little to gain and much to lose from publicly admitting to being a sex worker, most of us prefer to stay "invisible". So that leaves the media with the option of turning to the visible group for their docs, which only reinforces what everyone believes is a representation of all sex workers. And on and on...
I don't know the specifics about the documentary but they're allowed to post if they want. You're entitled to your opinion but it's not your decision who gets to post and who doesn't. I think SW was meant as Sex Worker and not Street Walker - although that is still probably who is portrayed in their docs.
However I do think that some information about the documentary and who is making it should have been and should be provided. It's a little suspicious because of the lack of information provided IMO.
There's a reason why it is hard to get women (who are not streetwalkers) to go on record in front of a camera to explain their reasons for choosing this work and their experiences, which are completely different than the stereotypes that people believe when they only ever get to see one single fraction (the smallest, btw) of this industry. It's the most visible and the most accessible for the media, for the public, for anti-prostitution abolitionists, etc. The problem is that it's also completely different in all aspects than the rest (and majority) of the industry.
The problem is that most of us who are the "invisible" majority do not consider it a particularly great idea to "out" ourselves and are very aware of the backlash to personal and professional relationships, the negative effects that it can have in the present but also in the future - just for
There are lots of women who speak up online and write about it candidly but that's because they can still remain reasonably anonymous. With little to gain and much to lose from publicly admitting to being a sex worker, most of us prefer to stay "invisible". So that leaves the media with the option of turning to the visible group for their docs, which only reinforces what everyone believes is a representation of all sex workers. And on and on...
Thanks Miss*Bijou. I was presumptuous in assuming their use of the "SW" acronym stood for Street Walker and not Sex Trade Worker.
Here`s a post from them when they got FredZed`s approval to post on this board:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-documentary&p=1122624&highlight=#post1122624
I like the following excerpt:
"The goal is to create a film that will encourage all Canadians to engage in an informed debate about sex work and law reform."
They registered here months ago and yet they are unaware (choose to stay uninformed) of girls who earn an above average income, or have high libidos or enjoy doing this? Maybe these girls are "invisible" in the mainstream media, but anyone who wishes to "inform" Canadians should not be so lazy that they do not even bother spending a few hours reading posts here. I guess it`s easier to get Canadian tax payers to pay for "fact gathering" trips to Sweden and Amsterdam etc... Right?
They also have the balls to encourage PERB members to appear without disguise. This in a society where men who hire escorts are often equated with rapists. We clients are the ones who really need to stay "invisible" because girls like you are portrayed as victims, while we are portray as villains.
And they want PERB members to answer the following:
"We want to hear about your feelings, experiences and your thoughts about why you buy sex services and about whether you think it should be completely decriminalized or not."
That`s a tough one. Me thinks we should keep it completely criminalized and toughen the penalties. Retards.
In Sweden, the buyers of services are jailed, not the sellers. Perhaps this is their agenda.
Guys, please do not talk them. Or maybe give them complete and utter BS because that`s what this "doc" will be...
Here`s a post from them when they got FredZed`s approval to post on this board:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-documentary&p=1122624&highlight=#post1122624
I like the following excerpt:
"The goal is to create a film that will encourage all Canadians to engage in an informed debate about sex work and law reform."
They registered here months ago and yet they are unaware (choose to stay uninformed) of girls who earn an above average income, or have high libidos or enjoy doing this? Maybe these girls are "invisible" in the mainstream media, but anyone who wishes to "inform" Canadians should not be so lazy that they do not even bother spending a few hours reading posts here. I guess it`s easier to get Canadian tax payers to pay for "fact gathering" trips to Sweden and Amsterdam etc... Right?
They also have the balls to encourage PERB members to appear without disguise. This in a society where men who hire escorts are often equated with rapists. We clients are the ones who really need to stay "invisible" because girls like you are portrayed as victims, while we are portray as villains.
And they want PERB members to answer the following:
"We want to hear about your feelings, experiences and your thoughts about why you buy sex services and about whether you think it should be completely decriminalized or not."
That`s a tough one. Me thinks we should keep it completely criminalized and toughen the penalties. Retards.
In Sweden, the buyers of services are jailed, not the sellers. Perhaps this is their agenda.
Guys, please do not talk them. Or maybe give them complete and utter BS because that`s what this "doc" will be...
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Just a small request, SuperGrover:
Can you kindly please stop making claims that I or anyone else make "6 digit incomes"?
I don't doubt that there are women out there who are driven or inclined, not to mention physically and mentally capable of working the amount of time that would be necessary to make "6 digit incomes", I just don't (as far as I know) personally know any, nor am I one of these women.
(But feel free to comment on our high libido as much as you would like. LOL)
I don't think it's needed to make the point you're trying to make and it's a little misleading so perhaps you could remove that statement from future discussions? It would be greatly appreciated, thank you.:thumb: xox
As far as your last comments, I agree with most of it but I am not understanding what you see as being wrong with the comment (bold) about what they want to ask as part of the documentary? So I am confused..and not quite seeing how this means there is an agenda..? Also, wouldn't it be an opportunity for clients to challenge the kinds of negative views the public in general has of men who pay for sex?
Can you kindly please stop making claims that I or anyone else make "6 digit incomes"?
I don't doubt that there are women out there who are driven or inclined, not to mention physically and mentally capable of working the amount of time that would be necessary to make "6 digit incomes", I just don't (as far as I know) personally know any, nor am I one of these women. (But feel free to comment on our high libido as much as you would like. LOL)
I don't think it's needed to make the point you're trying to make and it's a little misleading so perhaps you could remove that statement from future discussions? It would be greatly appreciated, thank you.:thumb: xox
As far as your last comments, I agree with most of it but I am not understanding what you see as being wrong with the comment (bold) about what they want to ask as part of the documentary? So I am confused..and not quite seeing how this means there is an agenda..?
Also, wouldn't it be an opportunity for clients to challenge the kinds of negative views the public in general has of men who pay for sex? Okay, I did my own digging and believe I know who the filmmakers are. I have yet to find anything to suggest that they have an anti-prostitution or anti-John agenda. They probably just want to get nominated for a Gemini.
My skepticism was based on all the negative portrayals of the industry/participants thus far; coupled with these filmmakers' reluctance to reveal their identity or motive for creating this doc. Has anyone seen a truly objective, non-judgmental representation to date? I guess we'll see in about 1.5 years if this documentary feeds the viewer the same, biased victim/victimizer crap.
If this documentary is just about the buying of sex, and not accurately depicting who is selling the sex, then I doubt it will improve anything. We all know that prostitutes sell sex. And we all know what kind of image outsiders conjure up when they visual a prostitute. So, will the viewers be led to believe that the interviewees are rationalizing their purchase of sex from pimped-out street walkers? When, in fact, they paid $250-300/hr to a independent escort who has everything together.
My skepticism was based on all the negative portrayals of the industry/participants thus far; coupled with these filmmakers' reluctance to reveal their identity or motive for creating this doc. Has anyone seen a truly objective, non-judgmental representation to date? I guess we'll see in about 1.5 years if this documentary feeds the viewer the same, biased victim/victimizer crap.
If this documentary is just about the buying of sex, and not accurately depicting who is selling the sex, then I doubt it will improve anything. We all know that prostitutes sell sex. And we all know what kind of image outsiders conjure up when they visual a prostitute. So, will the viewers be led to believe that the interviewees are rationalizing their purchase of sex from pimped-out street walkers? When, in fact, they paid $250-300/hr to a independent escort who has everything together.
I just had my interview and, judging by the questions they asked, I would have to strongly disagree with SuperGrover. They seemed genuinely interested in a much broader range of the industry. (I disguised)
Sober Second Thought
The paranoia and hostility at the beginning of this thread seems to be unjustified and counterproductive. You could say SuperGrover went off half cocked. Not something you want to do on this board.
When I heard from the woman doing this documentary she gave me the address for her site that lists other documentaries she has done or is working on. While I haven’t seen any of them they seem like legitimate and relevant documentaries. There is certainly no justification for the comments SuperGrover opened with. I understand the woman also posted on TERB and had a positive response.
If people in this community do not speak for themselves then the prohibitionists will step in to speak for you, as they have done and continue to do.
We are fortunate that there are so many sex workers who are willing to step out of the closet, speaking for themselves and sometimes for their clients. Without them, the only message the public would hear would be the prohibitionists describing all clients as child rapists. This is what has happened in Sweden where clients have been declared criminals and everyone is worse off. Here we have the Conservatives who are working hard to make bad laws even worse in the name of “getting tough on crime”.
When the next interview opportunity appears on this board someone should learn what they can about the people doing the interviews and put up a reasonable post rather than going off half cocked.
The paranoia and hostility at the beginning of this thread seems to be unjustified and counterproductive. You could say SuperGrover went off half cocked. Not something you want to do on this board.
When I heard from the woman doing this documentary she gave me the address for her site that lists other documentaries she has done or is working on. While I haven’t seen any of them they seem like legitimate and relevant documentaries. There is certainly no justification for the comments SuperGrover opened with. I understand the woman also posted on TERB and had a positive response.
If people in this community do not speak for themselves then the prohibitionists will step in to speak for you, as they have done and continue to do.
We are fortunate that there are so many sex workers who are willing to step out of the closet, speaking for themselves and sometimes for their clients. Without them, the only message the public would hear would be the prohibitionists describing all clients as child rapists. This is what has happened in Sweden where clients have been declared criminals and everyone is worse off. Here we have the Conservatives who are working hard to make bad laws even worse in the name of “getting tough on crime”.
When the next interview opportunity appears on this board someone should learn what they can about the people doing the interviews and put up a reasonable post rather than going off half cocked.
I have no idea what the motives of the filmmakers are. But keep in mind if you do grant an interview, there are scores of people who have been interviewed for documentaries that later complain (sometimes angrily) that their words were taken out of context, or edited in such a way that they actually come off as appearing to hold a position they don't hold.
they (buying sex documentary) scoped my
profile.. should I be skeeerd? I shouldn't have
smoked that joint. Now I am paranoid. DOH !!!.:doh:
Now everyone knows I am a pot head..Oh the shame
:fear:
profile.. should I be skeeerd? I shouldn't have
smoked that joint. Now I am paranoid. DOH !!!.:doh:
Now everyone knows I am a pot head..Oh the shame
:fear:
