Busting loose in Hongkong…for travel-minded fellow pooners

tantalizeme

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On the matter of tipping

You paid 17 dollars for 45 minutes of FS and you begrudge the girl what would amount to a 13 dollar tip because she wouldnt do CG. You are a disgrace to any self respecting pooner who truly appreciates the work and station that some of these women endure. Mainstream society....I would think anyone with a heart, sheesh!
Not at all. I think what people find distasteful is when folk such as yourself go to places like that to obtain intrinsically valuable services which basically cost nothing to you, and then nickle and dime when it comes to being generous. The few dollars extra you could give her would be little to you but would be a rare gift for her.
Harsh words, brothers—I see you feel strongly about this.

I don't think I'm heartless. The amount I've paid out in tips to SPs over the years, especially early on, could easily finance 2 months' worth of pooning for me now.

While this hobby has invigorated my joie de vivre enormously, it's also produced frequent ebb in my bank account—so I've developed some specific expectations of a tip-deserving SP.

I don't set a lady's rate structure, just try to seek out SPs that seem to offer the best deal and pay the requested amount. An extra tip at the end signals, to my mind, that the SP's approach deserves to be commended and encouraged. It's basically saying, "You've done your job right."

Having a soft heart, I tend to tip for good-faith effort more than performance: e.g. a clumsy CG may still warrant a tip, but refusing to try ACG doesnt. ACG is so central to my enjoyment of a session—even more important than a BBBJ—that I make no exceptions to my "No CG/no tip" rule.

If an SP displays the kind of initial crankiness Jenny showed, then refuses to do CG, and throughout gives me a "Get-it-over-with-ASAP" attitude, how can I justify giving her a "You did your job right" signal by tipping her??

Friendly, even heart-wrenching conversation at the end isn't really pertinent. Most of these women have sad stories, and hearing them isn't what I've come for. I'm not a walking charity dispenser but expect solid service on terms of mutual civility, for whatever fee they wish to charge in the existing market.

One other note: Chinese culture is, generally, a non-tipping culture (I don't really know about Thailand). I've found myself looked at oddly, even ridiculed, when I wanted to tip in Mainland China's restaurants, hair salons or massage parlors, and sometimes had my tip firmly returned! In a society where satisfactory service is ensured, as best it ever can, by fierce competition, tips serve little purpose and may just complicate business.
 

lenny

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One other note: Chinese culture is, generally, a non-tipping culture (I don't really know about Thailand). I've found myself looked at oddly, even ridiculed, when I wanted to tip in Mainland China's restaurants, hair salons or massage parlors, and sometimes had my tip firmly returned! In a society where satisfactory service is ensured, as best it ever can, by fierce competition, tips serve little purpose and may just complicate business.
In Siam i'd suggest it is much the same. But I love to see the reactions of Thais
when i tip, which is usually utter amazement, bowing with their head down, and/
or an attempt to not accept it. But what can they do when i walk away, leaving
it on the table, at the bank/money exchanger, 7-11, etc. I am also generous with
the "escorts" when they are excellent, but, like you, do not reward sub par or
lousy service. That would ruin the market.
 
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lenny

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Tipping in Asia is generally considered to be an insult. What you are saying is that the person is so lazy/venal that they had to be bribed to do their job.

http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101203070257AAGiML5
Tipping in Japan (and some other cultures in Asia) is considered an insult cases. The rational in some cases is, why do you need to give someone extra money for doing their jobs correctly?

Foreigners are maybe given some latitude. They (the store people) would most likely attempt to get you as you leave the door and tell you that you accidentally left money at the table and return it.url]
Although from the same link, sir:

"They would get bewildered. But they know that there is tip custom in other countries.
So not offended. if a foreigner did it."

In BKK the taxi drivers i've experienced give no impressions that a tip is not expected.
Quite the contrary!

Furthermore i was in a restaurant with a TG once and she indicated what tip i should
give, although quite a bit less than the 10-20% i am accustomed to.

On other occasions, because extraordinary service was provided, i also gave a small
tip at the hotel, 7-11 and bank/exchange in LOS.

But your post makes me think i should explain these things to those i give a gratuity,
just in case they are not aware of the situation.
 
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storm rider

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(I don't really know about Thailand).QUOTE]

From my knowledge...tipping in Thailand makes you look like a stupid Farang who has far too much money...tipping for meals/drinks/bargirls/massages/soapies and the list goes on and on and on.....basically you dont tip...and if you insist on doing so no more than 20 baht....because if you exceed this and a lot of other guys exceed this...you are just wrecking it for others down the line.....same thing goes for LT/ST....the rate is 800/1500.....for gullible Farangs to pay 2000/4000...it just wrecks it for others.

SR
 

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Hey Tantalize, great thread = thanks for your posts. Well-written and informative, just like every single one of your reviews. A big "THANKS!" from me.

I don't think I'm heartless. The amount I've paid out in tips to SPs over the years, especially early on, could easily finance 2 months' worth of pooning for me now.
I don't think anybody would call you heartless. From the stockings you purchase for SPs, to the amount of gear you bring to make the sessions satisfying to the SP as well as yourself, to the number of tips you've given, I don't think anybody here would call you heartless.

I don't set a lady's rate structure, just try to seek out SPs that seem to offer the best deal and pay the requested amount. An extra tip at the end signals, to my mind, that the SP's approach deserves to be commended and encouraged. It's basically saying, "You've done your job right."

Having a soft heart, I tend to tip for good-faith effort more than performance: e.g. a clumsy CG may still warrant a tip, but refusing to try ACG doesnt. ACG is so central to my enjoyment of a session—even more important than a BBBJ—that I make no exceptions to my "No CG/no tip" rule.

If an SP displays the kind of initial crankiness Jenny showed, then refuses to do CG, and throughout gives me a "Get-it-over-with-ASAP" attitude, how can I justify giving her a "You did your job right" signal by tipping her??
I completely agree on this. Tipping is a VOLUNTARY show of appreciation for the services rendered. Like you said, it's to say "you've done your job right, and I appreciate the service you've given me."

In my day-to-day life, I tip all the time wtih regularity. Heck even if I go to Panago and pickup a pizza and pay by VISA, when the machine says "enter tip" I still tip a $1 when I'm picking it up.

But it's weird = with SP's, I find that I rarely - if ever - tip. I guess it's because they're already making $120-$160 (in Vancouver) for the 45 minutes I'm there, which is pretty DAMN good money. She's not a stylist at MagicCuts making $12 an hour and dependent upon tips. I've tipped SPs a few times, but generally it oddly goes against my normal "always tip" nature.

That being said... I think "when" (no long an "if" after reading yours and Chica Chaser's posts) I go to HK/China to poon, I will likely tip even for average service (unless the service is horrid or below average of course). Like others have posted, the amount of $$ is so minimal that it'll cost me nothing and will reward those that have made me feel good.

Slightly off topic - no offense, but your "no CG/no tip/no exceptions" rule seems (to me) a bit harsh? Obviously CG is VERY important to you so I respect your rule. One thing I'm curious about: what if every single facet of your experience was way beyond expectation, EXCEPT she refused to do CG (for whatever reason)... would you still hold to that rule? Or contrast that with a different experience where everything was plain jane vanilla sex, but the CG was slightly above average, would you tip in that case? Would the "slightly above average CG but everything else average" warrant a tip over "everything was mind blowing but there was no CG"?
 

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in my travels I found that Japan&South Korea were places where no tip was expected,except for very touristy areas such as Itaewon.

Hong Kong,Thailand(except rural areas)&the Philippines,on the other hand,expected gratuities.

Laos was also a no-tip situation,also a delightful time-warp with no KFC,no Taco Bell,no starbux,no ronald mac,etc.
 

lenny

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(I don't really know about Thailand).QUOTE]

From my knowledge...tipping in Thailand makes you look like a stupid Farang who has far too much money...tipping for meals/drinks/bargirls/massages/soapies and the list goes on and on and on.....basically you dont tip...and if you insist on doing so no more than 20 baht....because if you exceed this and a lot of other guys exceed this...you are just wrecking it for others down the line.....same thing goes for LT/ST....the rate is 800/1500.....for gullible Farangs to pay 2000/4000...it just wrecks it for others.

SR
I can't speak re soapie & bargirls, etc, but as to SW's in BKK outside Nana Hotel,
across the street from NEP, the usual asking rate has been 1000 Baht for an
average TG, and more for the hotties. IMO most of those in NEP would be asking
for more, and that does not even include the barfine or lady drinks purchased.
Based on prices from 2007-early 2010. A 20 B tip would not even pay for their
taxi fare home, in most cases, and those who ask always ask for much more
for a tip to pay their way home, usually 100B {$3 CAD}. I think part of the
reaon why the SW's usually ask for 1K is that that is the fee required if they are
caught by the LE during their frequent raids on SW's in the area. If they don't
have that much to give, then they have to go to the police station and risk the
possibility of being jailed.
 

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I can't speak re soapie & bargirls, etc, but as to SW's in BKK outside Nana Hotel,
across the street from NEP, the usual asking rate has been 1000 Baht for an
average TG, and more for the hotties. IMO most of those in NEP would be asking
for more, and that does not even include the barfine or lady drinks purchased.
Based on prices from 2007-early 2010. A 20 B tip would not even pay for their
taxi fare home, in most cases, and those who ask always ask for much more
for a tip to pay their way home, usually 100B {$3 CAD}. I think part of the
reaon why the SW's usually ask for 1K is that that is the fee required if they are
caught by the LE during their frequent raids on SW's in the area. If they don't
have that much to give, then they have to go to the police station and risk the
possibility of being jailed.
The boyz in brown dont bother Freelancers that much as it is too much trouble....though in Pattaya they do clean up Beach Road with regards to ladyboys.....the boyz in brown pay more attention to bars/go-go's in BKK as they get a lot more "tea" money from doing so....at the same time they also take care of the drugs....last thing you want in Thailand as a Farang is to be caught up with a yabba-head bargirl....1000 baht for a freelancer in Pattaya or BKK is not bad....though you are running the risk because the gal is not regularly checked for STD's....though I doubt most of the BG and go-go girls are checked frequently either

SR
 

lenny

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The boyz in brown dont bother Freelancers that much as it is too much trouble....though in Pattaya they do clean up Beach Road with regards to ladyboys.....the boyz in brown pay more attention to bars/go-go's in BKK as they get a lot more "tea" money from doing so....at the same time they also take care of the drugs....last thing you want in Thailand as a Farang is to be caught up with a yabba-head bargirl....1000 baht for a freelancer in Pattaya or BKK is not bad....though you are running the risk because the gal is not regularly checked for STD's....though I doubt most of the BG and go-go girls are checked frequently either

SR
I've found quite a number of TG's in BKK whining about the 1000BHT LE fine for SW's.
And heard a number of stories of them taking a run for it when the boys are in sight for
a sweep. It's so bad that some stay away from from NEP during certain hours.

Since LE are quite underpaid in the kingdom, i'd think 1000B times X would be a fortune
if obtained on a regular basis.

Re Freelancers, they are not necessarily in any risk from LE at all, certainly not if they
are working indoors, such as places like the Beergarten {soi 5/7}.

Re drugs, a small % {3%?} of SW's i've encountered shows signs of being intoxicated
or drug abuse. If it is a lady who is abusing, illegally, i don't think there is cause for worry,
especially if you are in a guest friendly/pro foreigner hotel, that will take your side.

Re Pattaya many on ISG comment that a Pattaya SW is obtainable for 500B, half the price
of those i see in BKK. Although some comments have said they are not as good looking.

As for STD checkups, i'd agree. Annies MP in BKK is one of the few that is licensed and
may be an ecxeption. They will let you see the STD results if you request it. Of course
you can always request that your girl get checked, and i have done this for them.
 
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