Really. Please point out exactly how I'm twisting the things that you say. If you can't, I will take it as your admission that you know damn well that you've been talking out of your ass the entire time.
British police officer stabbed to death on the street.
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You first said that I said to disarm the guy, I never said that. You imply that I want to wrestle the guy. I never said that. Your assuming that taking him down will 110% cut the officer, would it be fatal? I said club the arm vs the leg which ever is closer, whatever would work best.
And these 2 stories are kind of different. The UK case the man had already stabbed 2 people so the officers should have shot him on site, you knife 2 people and are running from polie then expect to be shot..... The vancouver case, the man hadn't done anything, he was the wrong guy.
Thatotherguy, you can't argue with an idiot. He will always change his story around when he sees that he's losing the argument or insult you with something but in reality has NO IDEA what he's talking about. Don't waste your energy, he's a useless piece of shit 14 year-old troll. Two Black belts? My ass! Be gone troll!
Panther
How did I change my story?Thatotherguy, you can't argue with an idiot. He will always change his story around when he sees that he's losing the argument or insult you with something but in reality has NO IDEA what he's talking about. Don't waste your energy, he's a useless piece of shit 14 year-old troll. Two Black belts? My ass! Be gone troll!
Panther
You take him too seriouslyThatotherguy, you can't argue with an idiot. He will always change his story around when he sees that he's losing the argument or insult you with something but in reality has NO IDEA what he's talking about. Don't waste your energy, he's a useless piece of shit 14 year-old troll. Two Black belts? My ass! Be gone troll!
Panther
Now why would you outright lie about that, when it's this easy to prove that you're lying:
Please explain to me how that isn't describing an attempt to disarm the guy.
When exactly did I imply that you want to wrestle the guy? I've said again and again that your ridiculous plan is to get within lunging range of him. How does that imply wrestling? You do understand that if you're within baton range then you're well within range of a lunge, don't you? I kind of thought that they taught things like that to blackbelts...
Bullshit. I said 90% chance of getting cut. Anyone who has ever faced a guy with a knife will tell you the same thing. And who the fuck said it would definitely be fatal? I said there's a chance of it being fatal (you know, that whole if he slashes the carotid artery thing). The whole point is that it's an incredibly stupid risk to take if you have a ranged option.
Again with the lies... You said:
It was only much later in this thread after the utter stupidity of this statement had been pointed out many times that you changed your tune and started to say that the arm might be a good target. Of course, hitting his arm with a baton is still incredibly stupid if you have a gun, but it's marginally less stupid than hitting his leg (assuming that the arm you're hitting is the arm with the knife).
Oh I see, so somehow while this guy was standing in front of them holding a knife and refusing to drop it, they had time to do a background check and full investigation to figure out that he wasn't the guy they were looking for. I know it's difficult for you, but try to find 2 brain cells to rub together so you won't make such moronic statements.
Bottom line, if you draw a potentially deadly weapon on a cop you should expect to get shot. That is absolutely the most appropriate response for the cops (well, if the weapon is a close-combat weapon like a knife, then a taser is the most appropriate response, but since the cops in question didn't have one, it's a moot point).
Yeah, it's kind of fun to point out how utterly stupid and dishonest he is though...Thatotherguy, you can't argue with an idiot. He will always change his story around when he sees that he's losing the argument or insult you with something but in reality has NO IDEA what he's talking about. Don't waste your energy, he's a useless piece of shit 14 year-old troll. Two Black belts? My ass! Be gone troll!
Panther
OMG your sad dude this is what I mean by TWISTING. DISARM as in hand to hand, not slap it out of his hand with the baton.
Well if you want to cuff the suspect your gonna have to get close and if they dont drop the weapon, hit or pepper. Then gun.
And you keep jumping to the knife to the neck. Yea that might or might not happen. But you put it in every post like its the definite outcome.
I said hit leg or arm whatever works. If you can get the leg go for it, the arm go for it, THATS WHAT I SAID U DICK TREE. The reason I said leg is because I always see police hitting the legs with the baton. Go watch video they go for the leg so the person wont be able to stand.
I simply added that this guy had not just stabbed 2 people, and he just HAPPENED to not be the person they were looking for.
Now I know you're gonna twist this so I eagerly await your response!?
Ah, I see. So you're stupid enough to pretend to be a double blackbelt when you don't even understand what disarm means. Here, I'll provide the definition for you:
Hmm, that's strange, nothing in there about the fact that it has to be done in hand-to-hand. Tell me again who's TWISTING? I'm not the one making up my own definition for common words - that would be you.Dictionary.com said:
You keep on saying use baton first, and then gun if that doesn't work. I keep bringing this up, and clearly you haven't figured out how to respond to it without admitting that you've been talking out of your ass, but if you choose to use a baton, that's it. Unless you're incredibly lucky and the guy you're going up against chooses to step back and patiently wait while you drop the baton and unholster your gun, you don't get a chance to go back and choose to use your gun. Of course, I'd expect a double blackbelt to have some sort of understanding of the speed at which such encounters take place. Why am I not surprised that you have no such understanding?
Again with the lies. I keep stating very clearly that it's a possible outcome, and that it's an incredibly stupid risk to take. Please point out to me any post I've made where I imply that it's a definite outcome. Oh wait, you can't. You see, it'd be easier if you just told the truth. Then you would actually be able to back up your bullshit with evidence.
Oh, so you didn't even read your own quote? No wonder you can't keep your arguments straight. Like I said, you never mentioned the arm or "whatever works" until much later, after everyone had pointed out how stupid your comments were.
No, you said that the two stories were kind of different. I pointed out that from the point of view of the cops, they had absolutely no way of knowing about those differences. They have to treat any situation involving a potentially deadly weapon as a life-or-death situation, because that's what it is. Of course, a real double blackbelt would understand that, as would anyone who has ever been in such a situation.
Fucking punk. When I said disarm you took it like I meant wrestle the guy now you're changing it around FUCK YOU!
I ALSO SAID 1 on 1 depending on situation like if the guy is aggressive or not. In both cases there were more police than suspects. So thats why I said baton and pepper. But 1 on 1 depends.....
And every post you refer to the knife as if its going to go to the neck every time. Dont pretend you dont.
So you're telling me police can't tell the difference between someone who is jacking a car and someone who just stabbed 2 people?
How pathetic are you, give it up. Good try trying to mess up what I said though. You get an E for effort.
Wait, I thought you never said disarm. Changing your story again? Also, please point out exactly where I implied anywhere that you were talking about wrestling anyone. Guess what, you can't because I didn't. Stop lying, it makes you look stupider and stupider.
When will you get it through your thick head... It doesn't matter if there are more cops, if they get within baton range of a guy with a knife, chances are they're getting cut, possibly badly, and possibly lethally. That's not a chance they should be taking if they have any other option available to them.
Nope. I refer to it as if it could go to the neck. How many times do I have to say that it's not a chance they should be taking? This British cop took that chance and ended up dead. So don't pretend it can't happen. I would have thought a double blackbelt would understand the risks.
Are you really stupid enough to think that people go around carrying signs saying "I just stabbed 2 people," or "I'm not the guy you're looking for?" Please explain exactly how they would be able to tell.
Good try trying to change your story. You get an E for effort. Although of course, anyone can just take a look at what you've already said, and see that you're full of shit...
Wait, are you dumb enough to think that when somebody says that something could happen (or in the case of the British cop that it was what most likely happened), that they actually mean that it will definitely happen? OK, I know you have trouble understanding things like logic, and the English language (since you're now making up your own definitions for words like disarm), and I know you have trouble with keeping your story straight and not lying constantly about what you and other people said, but are you seriously that stupid? Or are you that desperate to try to weasel your way out of this and try to make it look like you haven't been talking out of your ass this whole time. See what you don't understand is that you're just making yourself look stupider and stupider.
Britian is so far in the past they need to catch up and get police armed with firearms and bullet resistant armour so they can deal with all the terrible crime in some parts of britian
Welll they do have a gun ban and last year there were 4000 stabbings. Thats what happens when you ban guns.
You got nothing better to do than take apart my posts and skew them to make me look bad. You really love police dont you? I say hit him in the arm and you take that as wrestling disarmament. Now if an officer hits the arm and they drop the knife are they now disarmed? Yes you have to get close to use a baton but its way longer than a knife. And your going to have to get even closer to apply handcuffs.
And the police knew they were looking for a multiple stabber, not a car thief. Maybe they didnt know what he looked like but I doubt he jumped out of nowhere and got a lucky shot on that officer.
A few years ago I bought a book by Jamie Whyte which claimed to explain why people are not entitled to an opinion. In a very English bit of irony the book did no such thing. Rather it argued why all opinions are not equal, an altogether easier argument. The irony comes from Jamie Whyte's self-promotion as a philosopher specialising in the subject of truth. I came to find that Jamie's critical process could all too often be summed up in a simple algorithm, good thinking = agreeing with Jamie, bad thinking = disagreeing with Jamie. So not so very different to the rest of the human race then.
I mention this in passing because I would still like a simple but devastating rationalisation of why people do not have the "right" to an opinion. Which I could then use on Ronaldsmith and Lightbearer, both of whom have posted comments utterly unsupported by any basis in evidence or reason, presumably with the expectation that they have the "right" to these opinions and possibly, and worse still, that people should take them seriously simply because they hold them.
I mention this in passing because I would still like a simple but devastating rationalisation of why people do not have the "right" to an opinion. Which I could then use on Ronaldsmith and Lightbearer, both of whom have posted comments utterly unsupported by any basis in evidence or reason, presumably with the expectation that they have the "right" to these opinions and possibly, and worse still, that people should take them seriously simply because they hold them.
Nope, you made yourself look bad. I had nothing to do with that. I also love how pointing out some of your many bold-faced lies is considered skewing your posts.
Nope. Actually in general I don't trust cops. Most of them are just doing their best, but there are enough bad apples to make me not trust them blindly.
You do know that when you have to resort to obvious lies, that means that you've lost the argument. Since it seems to be your standard modus operandi, I'm guessing that you're extremely familiar with losing arguments. Please show me where exactly I said that you were talking about wrestling. Guess what, you can't because that's just something you made up. Since you couldn't think of any way to discredit the arguments that I actually made, you pretended that I made a completely different argument that you could actually discredit. Why hello there strawman! The strawman is perhaps the most classic and well-known of all dishonest debating strategies. I'm not at all surprised that you've resorted to it.
Wait, you said that you never mentioned anything about disarming. You can't even keep your own lies straight anymore, can you?
Getting within baton range is getting within lunging range of a guy with a knife. Did they not teach you things like threat ranges when you were getting your 2 blackbelts?
Which is exactly why you take him down with a ranged weapon. Seriously, it's a pretty simple concept, what part of it are you having trouble understanding?
What the hell does that have to do with anything? Oh, of course, you're introducing yet another classic dishonest debating technique. The red herring. Well, I guess when you can't win honestly, and you're too bull-headed and stupid to know when to admit that you're wrong, you don't have much choice.
While you're at it, why don't you try dredging up some of the other classic dishonest debating techniques? Try the ad hominem attack. Oh wait, you already did that one. OK then, why not give a appeal to authority a shot? Or how about a slippery slope argument? Or a false dilemma?
What the point no matter what you'll read it the way you want to. You do realize its my opinion? "Oh wait its LightBearer I need to find a reason to shit on him because I'm PERBs official super hero."
One more time.(vancouver case 2 officers)
Tell them to drop it, if they don't grab baton and pepper spray him. Hopefully other officer has baton or gun ready. Now if they don't drop it within 1 second baton to arm or leg(I always see police hitting people in legs with batons so thats what i said first). Still hasn't dropped it then shoot him. Only need to move backwards or sideways if they advance. I said straight back as opposed to 45 degreees because they were on a sidewalk and you go 45 degrees your going to walk backwards into a car parked beside sidewalk, or into a store or shop on the street. Straight back and your ok.
You realise you're giving me shit over my opinion, obsess much?
Now good night.
One more time.(vancouver case 2 officers)
Tell them to drop it, if they don't grab baton and pepper spray him. Hopefully other officer has baton or gun ready. Now if they don't drop it within 1 second baton to arm or leg(I always see police hitting people in legs with batons so thats what i said first). Still hasn't dropped it then shoot him. Only need to move backwards or sideways if they advance. I said straight back as opposed to 45 degreees because they were on a sidewalk and you go 45 degrees your going to walk backwards into a car parked beside sidewalk, or into a store or shop on the street. Straight back and your ok.
You realise you're giving me shit over my opinion, obsess much?
Now good night.
