Best cities for cost to talent ratio

[foreignsick]

I'm starting this thread as a spinoff from another thread that was going off topic about cost/talent ratio for certain cities. There was a post about Vancouver not having hobby talent and I posted about how in S. FL it's much worse with inflation and talen level. Here is the reply to that post I made:

https://perb.cc/xenforo/threads/fir...s-top-10-best-of-the-best.364201/post-2641513

YaletownFuckboi said:

Wouldn't the cost just be purchasing power? Since 1 US dollar is approximately equal to 1.3-1.4 CAD dollars, that difference is significant. Are you taking that into account?
In the last six months, I've seen escorts in Miami, Vegas, and LA, and based on my experience, prices have been similar to or even cheaper in the U.S than here when you factor in exchange rate.

Regarding "talent," I would recommend that you actually check out some of the girls here before making that judgment. From my experience, Vancouver has some of the lowest quality talent compared to other cities where I've seen escorts. Even mid-tier cities like Calgary and Edmonton might have equal or better options than Vancouver at times. The talent in Vancouver doesn't compare to what I've encountered in places like New York, LA, Phoenix, Toronto, Montreal and Miami.

Believe me, if you're just browsing Tryst, Vancouver might appear to have quality escort talent. However, many of those girls are actually a decade older than what they claim, and most of their photos are so heavily edited that their bodies look nothing like in reality. And you have to prebook them a week out because they cant afford their own incall.

The sugar baby scene here is quite good, similar to many places that have a lot of college and university girls along with a high cost of living.

I’d suggest creating a separate thread for this, it’s an interesting topic, but it’s a bit off-topic.

So I do want to reply to this.
I did take into account the conversation rate. In S. FL you can't get a decent looking girl to see you for really less than $400US which is around $530CAD which is a pretty good amount. I mean, there are some providers down here that are decent for less than that, but they aren't elite.
I'm in the Ft. Lauderdale area and it's pretty bare bones when it comes to cost/talent. If you want to pay in the four digits you'll find quality, but if you're in the lower 3 then you're not finding it. Like, I posted I started researching Vancouver for a trip coming up and what I found was amazing relative to what I see here. First, I looked at Tryst, which is where I always look and for the criteria that I normally put in there was nothing. Only about 5-6 options of which I wouldn't choose for various reasons. I recalled on another trip to Toronto about PERB so I decided to come back to this website.
I read the visitors guide and discovered the agencies. It's like an eye opener! There is so many early to mid-20s ladies that are offering multiple services for HH/45m/60 in the $200-400CAD. You're talking about $200-300USD for a mid-20s lady offering all those services? It's completely unheard of down here.
There is a PERB type website here, but to become a member you have to be a regular hobbyist and be recommended by a known female member provider of the site. And I can tell you as a member of that site that the talent there is nothing compared to any agency I've seen so far based on research. There are no 20 year-olds and none of the ladies charge anywhere below $350USD. I suppose if you wanted to take a risk on adult search or back page you could get something below $200 or maybe Escort Alligator, but stings are a big deal down here and happen all the time. I wouldn't recommend it.

I get it, I'm not from BC and I don't really know anything about the area, but just based on what I've seen in research for the trip and what I plan on doing with the agencies while I'm there, I think I'm going to be able to see at least 2 ladies which is quite the trip. I didn't see any in Chicago because of the cost/talent ratio there. And I essentially stopped hobbying in S. FL because of the inflation and loss of talent down here.

I'm interested if anyone else has any other cities that they think have a better ratio. I'd love to visit there.

 

[VanCityNewb]

Coming here from LA, I generally agree, and especially compared to Seattle! LA can be great, don't get me wrong... Getting to see Tricia Oaks was a definite highlight, and at least one or two other porn stars, all of those years ago. But generally, I still find it much better here. Especially with the questionable legality and potential consequences down in the states. At least here in Van, nobody really seems to give a shit at all. I really loved the Humaniplex board down there, and have been curious about how it is now, but I also found it being moderated way less fairly than Perb is here. I think even the largest trolls here get more leeway than they should, but it's still moderated in a very fair and open manner.

Even Vegas seemed really seedy and like more of a bad tourist trap than anything.

 

[vanperb]

Even Vegas seemed really seedy and like more of a bad tourist trap than anything.

Vegas is just terrible unless you have a lot of money and a lot of patience. Would not recommend unless there's a porn star there you really want see.

 

[vanperb]

LA can be great, don't get me wrong... Getting to see Tricia Oaks was a definite highlight, and at least one or two other porn stars, all of those years ago.

I gotta ask. How was Tricia Oaks? And who else have you seen?

 

[NEbaD]

I believe that Vancouver escorts are typically more affordable than in most other cities because of the large Asian population; the Asian escorts provide (generally) really good service at lower prices, and so other non Asian escorts lower their prices to be able to compete. I'm sure this has resulted in some higher-end talent leaving for other places where they can command more money, but among those who stay, it is more affordable here. This has been my personal experience traveling for the last dozen years, as well as what I've been told by non-asian escorts, entirely outside of and separate from enjoying a session with them, in the form of complaints (usually sounds like, "these bitches come here and fuck for $100? I can't do that; how am I supposed to even compete?")

That's my 2 cents

 

[foreignsick]

Coming here from LA, I generally agree, and especially compared to Seattle! LA can be great, don't get me wrong... Getting to see Tricia Oaks was a definite highlight, and at least one or two other porn stars, all of those years ago. But generally, I still find it much better here. Especially with the questionable legality and potential consequences down in the states. At least here in Van, nobody really seems to give a shit at all. I really loved the Humaniplex board down there, and have been curious about how it is now, but I also found it being moderated way less fairly than Perb is here. I think even the largest trolls here get more leeway than they should, but it's still moderated in a very fair and open manner.

Even Vegas seemed really seedy and like more of a bad tourist trap than anything.

I went to Anaheim once and the cost/talent was about what I expected. There's nothing there that's below $600 for quality. Porn stars are in the 4 digits and I don't even blame them. Why would you get hit up some random for $300 of an hour of shitty sex(for her) when you get multiple thousands for work but at least it's probably a good time?
There are porn stars in Miami but it's the same situation.
The last time I was in Vegas I took one quick look and didn't even bother going forward.

New Orleans even declined and it was one of the best cities, imo for value. Toronto too. The last time I was there all my favorites were gone and prices 1.5x.

It sounds like I'm complaining but I'm just trying to see if my perception of the hobby is reflected by others.

 

[foreignsick]

Grass is always greener.

Whenever I travel to cities with a population of at least 1 million +, it seems like I have infinite options for great providers, since I'm never there long enough to run out.
Some of the most attractive and best providers I've encountered have been in the States, but I agree that finding and vetting them there is more challenging there compared to Canada.

I tend to use sites like Seeking Arrangements much more when traveling and I have some extended alone time, as that's where the hottest talent is in any city. Alternatively, I'll proposition girls I find on dating apps.

Vancouver's scene is pretty mediocre and has been on the decline recently.

I agree that the agencies have been a lifesaver for the scene in Vancouver. For the most part, independent escorts here are getting just too inconvenient for the most part.
Even so, many of the girls at the agencies work part-time. When you consider all the agencies, you might only have about six options for girls on any given day, making it seem like there are more choices than there actually are.

As the post you referenced mentions, it's important to be cautious about catfishing and age deception as well. Many girls may look attractive in their photos, but in reality, they might only be a 5 or 6 and asking for over $500 an hour.

I’m not sure where you're getting the impression that there are a lot of "20-year-olds" escorting in Vancouver. There are very few. I’d say the average age of independents on Tryst is in their 30s, and at agencies, it's primarily late 20s to early 30s.

I believe there are a lot of guys in Vancouver who have stopped using escorts as much because there simply aren't many attractive girls in the scene anymore.
They are still paying for sex, they just aren't utilizing escorts who advertise

Well, like I said. It's relative. There might not be "a lot" of 20 year olds but compared to none finding 4 on the Bunz agency is a lot.
You're probably right about the volume and until I actually start reaching out I won't find that out but I'll start asking about that in October as the trip gets closer.
I'm going to start a thread about that too asking for a little help with incall locations because I'm not from Vancouver and can't really make my way around to a lot of places.

 

[foreignsick]

I hate to break it to you, but many of those girls listed as "20" are actually quite a bit older. The agencies definitely tend to represent younger ages, though.

I suppose that whenever I visit Florida, I've only ever used sugar sites, which have a lot of young girls on them.

I've been reading Reddit SLF boards and it's pretty depressing too.
Secret Benefits sounds like a complete scam and Seeking Arrangements sounds like A LOT of work for months of time and money to end up with maybe 1 or 2 dates that might progress into something.

 

[robi]

I've been reading Reddit SLF boards and it's pretty depressing too.
Secret Benefits sounds like a complete scam and Seeking Arrangements sounds like A LOT of work for months of time and money to end up with maybe 1 or 2 dates that might progress into something.

I agree with you about Secret Benefits. It's real but definitely scammy—it makes LeoList look good. Definitely stick to sites like Seeking/SDM because you pay a flat fee and aren't getting hit up for credits to read messages possibly sent by bots.

And that's the other thing - it's a numbers game, you have to message a dozen ladies to get a response and then go from there.

If you just need to get laid in the next hour, go with escorts

 

[cg16]

I travel a lot for work to several US cities and I can confirm the cost to quality there is nowhere close to Canadian cities. And I haven't seen anywhere better than Montreal if you are talking Canadian/ US cities.

 

[Panaru]

Vancouver talent is easily better value than any of what I’ve seen in the states. With the conversion rate it’s literally cheaper for me to fly over to Canada than hire many escorts in the US. It’s less risky too.

e.g. I can get a round trip flight from Vegas for $150-$200 USD and most agencies charge something like $350 CAD an hour. That’s only like $450 USD. Meanwhile in the states escorts of similar quality will probably run $600-$1000.