Being Right

clu

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Gotta ask, right about what?
Presume he means political alignment, since he capitalised it.

Personally, I've come to the realisation that the problem is we have no choice but to accept it as a package deal.

Crazy thought: what if in our democracy we elected different people for different things: you vote for the economic policy leader, the social policy leader, etc.? Then we wouldn't get stuck with, say, a government that undermines women's reproductive rights just because a bunch of people want tax breaks.
 

Quarter Mile'r

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Hmmm, yah I didn't notice that offhand. Makes sense clu.

Personally I'm completely disoriented/disgusted and pissed off with our political so called Democracy.
Right.........Left......... Jesus Christ it's like there isn't such a thing you can nail down anymore.

They're all so corrupt when they get to feeding at the trough.

ALL OF THEM!! REGARDLESS. Don't believe me, then ask yourselves why every bloody election it looks
like a vengeance vote. Just look in Alberta for instance. If that wasn't a vengeance vote against the PC's
when the oil took a shit kicking and they got blamed for it. A new NDP gov't took the reigns.

Then that begs to differ when you look in BC. WHY in hell did the Liberals get to stay in power here for
for so friggin long? Were they that expert at pulling the wool over our eyes? Must have been.

Okay, political rant over. For now. :D




.......................QM'r
 

sevenofnine

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of course your always right,
it is actually impossible to be wrong your making the right choice or have the right opinion
based on your knowledge and understanding of how things work. for you


that however does not mean anyone agrees with you,
 

Ray

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I'm not loyal to a party.
I will often vote to remove someone from office rather than vote someone in.

All our major parties have some points i agree with and some points i disagree with. I try not to get hung up on the cult of personality.
 

MissingOne

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I am a promiscuous voter. I have voted Liberal, Conservative, Reform, NDP and Green. In the last provincial election I voted NDP because I liked our local candidate, but I now find myself suffering serious remorse, not over the individual I voted for but over the government we ended up with.
 

johnsmit

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I am an abstain voter. I just have not found any one u want to vote for or put I office. And to vote for some one that I don't care for does not seem right either. Of course it's what ever the party policies are ,supposedly decided by conventions.
Well I don't like any Of it so I loss my right to complain because I did not vote for the winner or losser.
 

ddcanz

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….. In the last provincial election I voted NDP because I liked our local candidate, but I now find myself suffering serious remorse, not over the individual I voted for but over the government we ended up with.
You and so many others.
I've been around this Province for most of my life- and all of my voting life.
Never had the inclination to support the NDP- valuable lessons should have been learned from previous regimes.
Not to say that the Libs or SoCreds were the bee's knees, but they were the lesser of the evil options.
 

Cock Throppled

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You and so many others.
I've been around this Province for most of my life- and all of my voting life.
Never had the inclination to support the NDP- valuable lessons should have been learned from previous regimes.
Not to say that the Libs or SoCreds were the bee's knees, but they were the lesser of the evil options.
You've got to be kidding.
The Socred/Libs just oversaw 16 years of the worst corruption in Canada. Unfettered money laundering that directly led to, increased gang violence, houses as speculative investments, cash transactions with no records, fentanyl overdoses and a general deterioration of the quality of life in BC. It couldn't have been any worse. None of those crooks should ever be allowed to run for office again.

What happened in BC was worse than anythnig in Quebec, and none of it would have been exposed if Crusty had managed to squeeze her fat ass into the Premier's chair again.
 

ddcanz

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You've got to be kidding.
The Socred/Libs just oversaw 16 years of the worst corruption in Canada. Unfettered money laundering that directly led to, increased gang violence, houses as speculative investments, cash transactions with no records, fentanyl overdoses and a general deterioration of the quality of life in BC. It couldn't have been any worse. None of those crooks should ever be allowed to run for office again.

What happened in BC was worse than anythnig in Quebec, and none of it would have been exposed if Crusty had managed to squeeze her fat ass into the Premier's chair again.
Hey, like I said- the Lib-SoCreds definitely aren't clean either. No party in BC is.
And I won't dispute the money laundering BS- although there is a lot more to speculative housing and the housing crisis than that. Knock housing costs back 30% and does it really help the average income earners? $1M for a 900 sq. ft. one BR condo instead of $1.4M? Not bloody likely.
And the fentanyl crisis isn't completely fueled by it either. Dealers will always prey on the weak.
And gang violence will continue regardless.
But I'll take the Libs over the NDP any day of the week.
You've been around the block- can you honestly say that Glen Clark and Moe Sihota were poster boys for anti-corruption?
And BC had such a great investment and employment climate in the 90s? I recall mass exodus to Alberta.
And Horgan isn't going to tax this province into oblivion?
No bridge tolls- but wait for the mobility tax. Guaranteed to affect more people with increased costs. Gas and transit taxes are again on the rise too.
$10 daycare- then backing off and saying it was just a "slogan"? But who will pay for everyone's brats? Me and you- and I don't even have kids.
A family finds it tough to have a decent lifestyle and support 3-4 kids or pay for care so both parents can work? Simple- don't fucking have them.
This is not an indictment of single or abandoned mothers struggling to make ends meet. That's a separate social issue
And the soon to be "stacked deck" referendum on voting reform? If it passes then we're stuck with an NDP/Green combo dinner for the foreseeable future. Yikes! When the electorate gets sick of their act (which they surely will- history is extremely cyclical on this) then what? Be careful what you wish for.
Just the tip of the iceberg with further spreading other's "misery" onto the taxpayer's toast..
We agree on Christy- was time for her to go. And maybe the Legislature needed a shake up.
Well- it's happening now.
 

papillion

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You and so many others.
I've been around this Province for most of my life- and all of my voting life.
Never had the inclination to support the NDP- valuable lessons should have been learned from previous regimes.
Not to say that the Libs or SoCreds were the bee's knees, but they were the lesser of the evil options.
I'm the opposite, what a relief to have crusty clark and her band of crooks out of office, they were the greater of all evils by far!
The ICBC debacle, the money laundering scandal is just he tips of the iceberg; there's a lot more shit gonna hit the fan.
 

licks2nite

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Who was Karl Marx?

Did Karl Marx begin writing his theories knowing that his theories would never work without advocating violence, murder and theft? Or did Marx only realize in desperation after all the work he put into creating his theories that his theories wouldn't work without urging his followers to commit violence, murder and theft? First degree murderer or second degree murderer?
 

Fullhouse

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Who was Karl Marx?

Did Karl Marx begin writing his theories knowing that his theories would never work without advocating violence, murder and theft? Or did Marx only realize in desperation after all the work he put into creating his theories that his theories wouldn't work without urging his followers to commit violence, murder and theft? First degree murderer or second degree murderer?
Could you kindly reword your question so that village idiots like me can understand what you are asking, ---- on a escort review board.

All I know is that Karl Marx was a German philosopher, economist, historian, political theorist, sociologist, journalist and revolutionary socialist.

I could relate to him if he was a pooner or member of Perb, but I don't think he was.
 

Cock Throppled

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Hey, like I said- the Lib-SoCreds definitely aren't clean either. No party in BC is.
And I won't dispute the money laundering BS- although there is a lot more to speculative housing and the housing crisis than that. Knock housing costs back 30% and does it really help the average income earners? $1M for a 900 sq. ft. one BR condo instead of $1.4M? Not bloody likely.
And the fentanyl crisis isn't completely fueled by it either. Dealers will always prey on the weak.
And gang violence will continue regardless.
But I'll take the Libs over the NDP any day of the week.
You've been around the block- can you honestly say that Glen Clark and Moe Sihota were poster boys for anti-corruption?
And BC had such a great investment and employment climate in the 90s? I recall mass exodus to Alberta.
And Horgan isn't going to tax this province into oblivion?
No bridge tolls- but wait for the mobility tax. Guaranteed to affect more people with increased costs. Gas and transit taxes are again on the rise too.
$10 daycare- then backing off and saying it was just a "slogan"? But who will pay for everyone's brats? Me and you- and I don't even have kids.
A family finds it tough to have a decent lifestyle and support 3-4 kids or pay for care so both parents can work? Simple- don't fucking have them.
This is not an indictment of single or abandoned mothers struggling to make ends meet. That's a separate social issue
And the soon to be "stacked deck" referendum on voting reform? If it passes then we're stuck with an NDP/Green combo dinner for the foreseeable future. Yikes! When the electorate gets sick of their act (which they surely will- history is extremely cyclical on this) then what? Be careful what you wish for.
Just the tip of the iceberg with further spreading other's "misery" onto the taxpayer's toast..
We agree on Christy- was time for her to go. And maybe the Legislature needed a shake up.
Well- it's happening now.
Right out of the Liberals playbook. Only surprise is you didn' bring up Fast Ferries.

Sure, go back 30 years to criticize the NDP, and ignore what happened over the last 16 years. And in case you missed it, Glen Clark was acquitted of all charges.

The outward migration during that time had more to do with low commodity prices world wide for wat BC was selling, and high oil rices in Alberta.

Those factors have reversed, and guess what, the migration trends have reversed.

Asking people not to have children works as well as telling people to remain celebate.

The BC Liberals pretended to have balanced budgets, but they were only balanced with huge amounts of dirty money and by selling assets. Their track record on practically every file as a record of failure, but it seems you'd still vote for them. That' what happend when the FPTP system allows a plurality of 32% towield 100% of the power.

If the recent report on money laundering doesn't make you vow to never vote for them again, I wonder just what it would take. Maybe the next one on real estate corruption?
It's kind of the Italian mentality regarding Mussolini that accepts anything, as long as the trains run on time.
 

80watts

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Every 3 to 5 years the government changes through voting. Cdns as a whole vote governments out. When a government starts to sell off assets you know corruption is happening (after all a crown corporation should make money), all under the guise of balancing the budget.

There are so many laws out there, that people need lawyers to interpret for them. People who take advantages of laws and loopholes to make money legally usually don't get rich fast. People who go outside laws in order to make a quick profit, usually don't go to jail because there are so many of them doing that. The price of real estate is a crime, so is money laundering. Its happening and the police are usually tied up due to due processing (they have to follow the book to get convictions, etc).

The fentenayl on the street comes from overseas. Its actually warfare on a limited basis. Business needs repeat customers to work.... why kill them.... So the feds should bring back the death penalty for anyone involved with street fentenayl. Supplier, and seller. If your a member of a gang that sells that poison, you hang with the rest of the gang regardless of what involvement you have.... Extreme. Yes, but Cdns need a wake up call, you should be and have to be responsible for your actions.

Drugs are bad, alot think that doing MJ is harmless, its still a drug, you are still dependent upon it if you use it regularly. Lets get it straight, most people take MJ for the high, not the medicinal purposes that it has. Given that the world is a harsh place, I don't blame people from trying to escape reality. Reality is still there when you come back....

Life sucks dosen't it....

On a lighter note "The wages of sin is death" ; so we are all fucked, and the end result is that we will all die.....

therefore: life sucks and then you die.....:)
 

ddcanz

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Right out of the Liberals playbook....
Same playbook for all- just with a different label whether you are in power or in opposition.
The NDP have the most recent and usually typical history of being in opposition- their skills are a bit sharper than the Libs on bringing up old shit and being critical- it's been their lot for most of.... well, ever.
Agree or disagree it's just my perspective here. I don't dispute the Liberal corruption being sensationalized these days- they did it, no doubt about it.
But the NDP have a loooong way to go to prove to me they are a better option.
In the meantime I eagerly await my taxes to rise, my commute to cost more with no real solutions other than rhetoric, ride sharing to be wishful thinking, the housing crisis to remain an issue (I only point at the NDP for this because they fervently bitched about it pre-election but Selina Robinson could only stammer out non-responsive gibberish when taken to task on solutions), small business to shut down as they are forced to carry additional burdens and a credible election system being dismantled with a purposeful agenda to "appease" the great unwashed.
Mark my words- FPTP, although not perfect, is definitely more palatable than what the GreeNDP is trying to push down our throats.
But please- bask in your NDP utopia- you've been waiting a long time.

Beyond the Mussolini comment- I do like my trains to run on time.
 

LLLurkJ2

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I often think peeps on the right would vote for parties that would actually make things more expensive for theselves ( as happened under the libs) as long as they felt they were in control by holding the money for a few hours
 

80watts

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trudeau should so as he promised, take from the rich and give to the poor... problem solved.
 
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