Beauty standards over the decades

Tugela

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If you want historical context, look at ancient Greek and Roman statues of women.

Big women have never been considered the ideal of beauty. Classical beauty usually involves youth, symmetry and health, which by its very nature implies a relatively athletic body (in other words, not fat). The ancients were very big on your proportions being right (not the other way around) to be considered physically perfect. Their ideal of beauty would have been the nymph, in other words a pubescent girl.

Until relatively recently women have tended to lead relatively sedentary lifestyles and their bodies were almost entirely covered all the time. Consequently the concept of beauty for practical purposes focussed on things like the face and hair (which could be seen) as opposed to bodies (which couldn't be seen, beyond general estimates of weight).

Women like Marilyn Monroe could get away with it because (A) she was pretty cute, and (B) men in general were pretty clueless about the possibilities of what a female form should look like. Instead, they were attracted by naked, or implied nakedness alone, rather than making an objective judgement. Basically they just didn't have enough information to be informed on the subject.

Nowdays (A) is still true, but (B) most certainly is not, and men are extremely well educated on that count, so a body like Marilyn's would not cut it.

Today when all is on display we are back at the ancient view of the nymph as the pinnacle of beauty, and women strive to achieve that even though it becomes increasingly difficult as they get older (we live much longer than populations that existed prior to 1900). So, not much has really changed, other than that we live far longer than the ancients.
 

carvesg

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Tugela don't you think that Big women have NEVER been consider the ideal of beauty is a bit extreme ? Depending of the culture and certain decades in different centuries pinnacle of beauty and attractiveness has been evolving with examples to support it . The different Venus of .... that were most likely standard in the last few milleniums represent at times much bigger women than the present standards and not necessarily proportioned the way we find attractive at present time .
 

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Tugela don't you think that Big women have NEVER been consider the ideal of beauty is a bit extreme ? Depending of the culture and certain decades in different centuries pinnacle of beauty and attractiveness has been evolving with examples to support it . The different Venus of .... that were most likely standard in the last few milleniums represent at times much bigger women than the present standards and not necessarily proportioned the way we find attractive at present time .
Why? Fat is gross.

It's unhealthy, it's immoral.

How can you justify being fat when there are billions of people starving every single day?

And btw - Marilyn Monroe was not fat. Voluptuous I'll agree with. Big? Not so much.

People who are fat have to quit whining, and stop trying to make it out like it's ok. Get off your fat lazy ass - stop eating crap food and get some exercise.

You will have more energy, feel better about yourself, sleep better, live longer, and most importantly you can stop living in denial about how much better life is when you are at a healthy weight.

AND for Christ sakes stop paying to have sex with fat chicks.

AND stop sucking up to the fat chicks on this board.

Obesity is a serious problem in our culture; don't make it worse by being a pussy.
 

Cami Parker

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No problem I'd do Paris. Too, as long as she couldn't tell me it's hot... But there is that unfortunate aspect of her not being able to give a good BJ.... We all saw her movie right? Very disappointing!
LOL, I would agree that Paris Hilton is a write off between the ears, but I’d still bang the crap out of her. I’d just ask Cami to tie her up and gag her first ;)
 

carvesg

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You are a funny guy ! Was it meant for me and to insult me ? After this summer of training you are barking at the wrong tree . As for sucking... it is more about accepting and not being judgemental because I could careless what ladies on this board can would or could think about my comments .

I do agree with you about the fact that carrying extra weight is totally an health issue for those people and the population as a whole for decades to come and our health system
Why? Fat is gross.

It's unhealthy, it's immoral.

How can you justify being fat when there are billions of people starving every single day?

And btw - Marilyn Monroe was not fat. Voluptuous I'll agree with. Big? Not so much.

People who are fat have to quit whining, and stop trying to make it out like it's ok. Get off your fat lazy ass - stop eating crap food and get some exercise.

You will have more energy, feel better about yourself, sleep better, live longer, and most importantly you can stop living in denial about how much better life is when you are at a healthy weight.

AND for Christ sakes stop paying to have sex with fat chicks.

AND stop sucking up to the fat chicks on this board.

Obesity is a serious problem in our culture; don't make it worse by being a pussy.
 

carvesg

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OOPS website acting up on its own .... that was my reply !

You are a funny guy ! Was it meant for me and to insult me ? After this summer of training you are barking at the wrong tree . As for sucking... it is more about accepting and not being judgemental because I could careless what ladies on this board can would or could think about my comments .

I do agree with you about the fact that carrying extra weight is totally an health issue for those people and the population as a whole for decades to come and our health system

Why? Fat is gross.

It's unhealthy, it's immoral.

How can you justify being fat when there are billions of people starving every single day?

And btw - Marilyn Monroe was not fat. Voluptuous I'll agree with. Big? Not so much.

People who are fat have to quit whining, and stop trying to make it out like it's ok. Get off your fat lazy ass - stop eating crap food and get some exercise.

You will have more energy, feel better about yourself, sleep better, live longer, and most importantly you can stop living in denial about how much better life is when you are at a healthy weight.

AND for Christ sakes stop paying to have sex with fat chicks.

AND stop sucking up to the fat chicks on this board.

Obesity is a serious problem in our culture; don't make it worse by being a pussy.
 

johnsmit

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I know i had my ideas of what were beautiful and sexy..
They were well established. by the girls i went to school with.. in the 60 and 70's
Thin with long blond hair... and small breast and that will allways turn my head
Of course there was there faces. with big blue eyes turned up noise and pouty lips..
But there all ways was the exception.. . which add to do with attitude.. a girl that had confidence and was full of her self.. physically and sexually.. allways. had the guys . wanting her .me included.. the geeky.. shy. selfconchious .. skinny guy with acny lol..

And sure . i lusted after.. Bo Derik.. and Farra....oh yes and Phobia Caits too
And there was dozens of others that.. came a long in the movies.. media and the pages of Playboy
and Penthouse..

But i have to say .the years have change how we ses women and how many women display them
selves

Today you can walk down the street. go in to stores . and the gym .. and see some of the most physically. attractive girls and women .. right there in you own world.. . because.. they care about how they
look. dress. in very skin tight close . which . show. every thing..
So we have our pick of what we like..What restricts us .from getting it is.. is our own self esteam.. and willness to put in the effort to look the best we can .. That goes for men and women

Sure ths ideal that most work for is what the media promotes.. but it is healthy

I agree it not health to be over wieght or too thin. and that still is the case.. accepting either one. and thinking it is ok is not healthy either.. . but then tawnting and degrading people for beeing that way is wrong too
.Everyone has to find what they accept. ..unhealthy needs to be addressed. but. only csn be changed if the help is there and afordable.. or alternatives are offered

But selfesteam will all ways play a part in how . and what each of us is able to do for our selves .. or want to do to improves our selves.. in the eyes of others.. and some times it just is not nessisary to please what others think is beautifull

As i said it attitude . that i find makes any person . on any body type.. beautifull..
and i find myself attracted to alot more women .. then just thin ..blond..blue eyed.. and small breasted..
But . that still gets my attention every time
 

johnsmit

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Now Betty White there was a looker.. in her younger days..
just google Betty white nude.. not the best photo . or hair.. but i think she had her string on men
in the 40's
Actually her look was very common in the 40's and 50's.. women were thiner back then. because they did not eat thst much.. and there was . very little junk food.. also .single girls and guys use to go to clubs and dances ... bowli g .. even into sports. a lot more.. thats what kept them fit... and thats usually where they met their future husbands
 

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Betty White, holy crap are we going back to the precambrian time with this topic. How old are some of you pooners? Remember when you could buy a gallon of gas for a nickel.

Next thing we'll be wanking over Ginger Rogers
 

Ms Erica Phoenix

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Can't we just say that women are beautiful, in general, and that, in fact, regardless of shape or size, race creed or color, we are all beautiful based on the simple fact that we are women.....?
Hear, hear Ms. Cami! I am not a thin woman, but I am a healthy natural curvy size 12. I have been beautiful and thin, beautiful and fat, and now, I'm beautiful and healthy. In my 20s, I was an exceptionally thin, neurotic size 6 with an eating disorder. In my early 40s, I was an exceptionally heavy, neurotic size 24 that was headed for a heart attack before the age of 50! Now, I love my body; I love my curves and my healthy proportions! I love to see younger women enjoying their curves too without being neurotic about them! :eyebrows:

Here's what's most important though... Although Ms Cami has the look to me of Xtina back around the days of "Beautiful", this is my favourite song about how it is when one stops believing that one is 'pretty enough'...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2gy1Evb1Kg
 

J.O. Henson

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Can't we just say that women are beautiful, in general, and that, in fact, regardless of shape or size, race creed or color, we are all beautiful based on the simple fact that we are women.....?
I agree here. women are to most beautiful creatures on this earth. I just wish they would all realize as much. So what if you're not the ideal dress size or you think you have a bad hair cut or your tummy is flabby. Women are beautiful. It's so much more than the superficial physical.
 

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The truth is that most women are more beautiful than they think they are, and most men are not as attractive as they think they are.
 

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Tugela

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Tugela don't you think that Big women have NEVER been consider the ideal of beauty is a bit extreme ? Depending of the culture and certain decades in different centuries pinnacle of beauty and attractiveness has been evolving with examples to support it . The different Venus of .... that were most likely standard in the last few milleniums represent at times much bigger women than the present standards and not necessarily proportioned the way we find attractive at present time .
No. Just about every culture has post-pubescent girls as the ideal of beauty, and in almost all cases such girls are relatively slender. Until about 1900 or so, human life expectancy was 30-40 years, so women over about 25 or so would have been considered middle aged or old. The beauty ideal for girls would have been when they were of marriage age, which was generally 14-16. At that age, in most cultures, girls are not overweight for the most part. Even today, in modern culture, the beauty ideal is still based on those old principles, which is really hard for a woman to achieve once she goes beyond a certain age, and does not get any easier as she ages beyond that.

The various ancient "venus" statuettes that have been dug up were fertility symbols probably representing goddess figures. I seriously doubt they were stone age porn.
 
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