BC taxpayers get fucked over

storm rider

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B.C. government bureaucrats were engaged in discussions about the HST with their federal counterparts — and briefing the provincial finance minister — well before the May 2009 provincial election, documents show.

The information, which appears to contradict claims by the Liberal government that the harmonized sales tax was not on their radar before the election, was revealed in government emails and briefing notes obtained by CBC News and other media outlets through a Freedom of Information request this week.

The documents also reveal the government had expert advice that the new tax might hurt the province's unemployment and economic growth for up to five years before the benefits were realized.

The documents also appear to support, however, B.C. Finance Minister Colin Hansen's assertions that the Liberal government did not actually decide to bring in the new tax until bureaucrats briefed him on the province's financial future after the May 2009 election.

Deal struck after election

The Liberal government struck the deal with the federal government to bring in the 12 per cent HST immediately after winning the election. It was announced on July 23, unleashing widespread protest that eventually led opponents of the tax to collect about 560,000 verified signatures on a petition to repeal the tax.

The 140 pages of documents show that while the HST was being discussed at the highest levels well before the election, the impetus came from the federal government, and B.C. was reluctant to sign on — in part, it would seem, for political reasons.

One briefing note prepared by senior bureaucrats for a first ministers meeting in Ottawa on Jan. 16, 2009, says the federal government is encouraging the provinces to harmonize their sales taxes, and that while B.C. recognizes the benefits, it is concerned about shifting the tax burden from business to individuals.

It also notes "a lack of support from some business sectors, the need to protect low-income individuals and families from tax increases, and the need to ensure adequate provincial revenues."

Then a second briefing note prepared for the minister, Colin Hansen, on March 12 — a month before the election campaign began — said B.C. will likely be asked about its position on harmonization in light of the expected announcement from Ontario.

It spells out both the possible benefits and downside of the HST in candid terms, quoting a study by the C.D. Howe Institute.

It says the study "suggests that, while the long-term economic gain from harmonization is relatively clear, harmonization will cause a short-term loss in GDP and unemployment .… It may take five or more years before the impact on GDP is positive and even longer for real wages and job numbers to recover."

That's a far less optimistic view than the one expressed by the minister in his public comments. He has repeatedly said experts call the HST the single biggest thing the government can do to boost the economy.

Discussion through election campaign

The discussion among senior bureaucrats in Victoria and Ottawa continued through the winter and spring and into the election campaign, but it picked up steam when the Ontario government said in its March budget it would adopt the HST.

This set off alarm bells in Victoria that investors would be lured away from B.C.

In a flurry of emails written in March and April, the B.C. bureaucrats ask whether Hansen has taken any position on the HST and suggest some "options." All of the options he was given in the document, however, were censored before the documents were released.

On April 26, during the election campaign, the Liberal Party was asked in a questionnaire from the B.C. Restaurant and Foodservice Association, "Will your party oppose harmonizing GST with PST in British Columbia?"

The party official response was "…A harmonized GST is not something that is contemplated in the B.C. Liberal platform, but we are committed to improving the tax system."

Rate cut leads to final deal

There are more heavily censored emails exchanged between ministry bureaucrats during the campaign. Then, on May 11, just the day before the election, there is what appears to be a critical exchange of emails between two top bureaucrats, the assistant deputy ministers of finance in Ottawa and Victoria.

The comments of the federal bureaucrat have been censored, but his provincial counterpart in B.C. writes, "Am I correct in assuming a province could now start at a rate other than 8 per cent?" perhaps referring to a deal to allow B.C. to roll out the harmonized rate at 12 per cent in BC, not 13 per cent as in Ontario.

In public, Hansen has said he only agreed to adopt the HST when the federal government agreed to the lower rate and to give B.C. $1.6 billion in transition funds.

After the tax was introduced, the Liberals came under fire for not mentioning it during the election campaign and were accused of keeping plans secret from the public.

On Aug. 25, 2009, however, Campbell insisted it was not in their plans during the election.

"We've been very clear with regard to the HST," said Campbell. "It was not anywhere on our radar … as we went through the election. Wasn't on my mind as we went through the election."


There you have it....BC provincial politics at it's finest.....from the province that came up with BingoGate and HydroGate....from such notable stuff as a former premier who accepted bribes in the form of work being done on his home to a premier who shagged another member of his party whilst he was still married....and the list goes on and on.....and yet the BC Liberals won the election and then fucked over the electorate knowing full well that were going to do so......they just avoided the questions before and during the election.

As a result BC residents take a hit to the wallet and get fucked...yet they dont get kissed...I predict that next BC provincial election will result in an NDP provincial government....and then the scandals will mount till they lose an election and then it will be back to the Liberals (who are Liberal in name only)

SR
 

tboy

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Goes to show you there is no such thing as an honest politician. Now it's a waiting game to see if the HST gets scrapped or not.
 

storm rider

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Goes to show you there is no such thing as an honest politician. Now it's a waiting game to see if the HST gets scrapped or not.
The HST wont get scrapped........when it comes down to it....the HST will be an election platform voiced by an opposition party that wants to form a government.....in the hopes of getting a majority in the legislature...they will say they dont like the HST and "want" to get rid of it but they wont as the tax revenues are too good to let go of....and thusly the political power will shift again in BC....LOL....tis the way it goes....BC taxpayers have been fucked in the ass with the HST and they had better get used to it as it is not going to go away.

SR
 

DonEdHardy

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@storm rider

sucky, but true

it's good for businesses (they get it all back when they do their taxes)

bad for consumers (they don't get it back when they do their taxes)
 

chilli

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The HST wont get scrapped........when it comes down to it....the HST will be an election platform voiced by an opposition party that wants to form a government.....in the hopes of getting a majority in the legislature...they will say they dont like the HST and "want" to get rid of it but they wont as the tax revenues are too good to let go of....and thusly the political power will shift again in BC....LOL....tis the way it goes....BC taxpayers have been fucked in the ass with the HST and they had better get used to it as it is not going to go away.

SR
Actually the NDP have been pretty silent on the issue.

Meaning, they figure they don't have to do or say anything, they'll just try and pick up some votes from pissed off voters.
 

island-guy

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Anyone who thinks that the NDP would get rid of the HST if they formed the government might actually be stupid enough to have voted for the NDP even BEFORE this whole HST mess.

As bad as the Liberals have been in BC, they still haven't destroyed the economy here the way the NDP did, not even with the help of a global recession.

That should tell you something.

Now, if there were to be a popular 3rd alternative who weren't a bunch of crazies or potheads, both the liberals and the NDP would be in BIG trouble.
 

frisky69

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No, they didn't destroy the economy (yet). They only lied, treated the public like idiots and stole your money - see HST and ICBC surplus cash grab.
 

snif

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between her legs
I saw a big tanker truck that sucks shit out of port a potties driving down the street.
on the back it had a big CAUTION sign
it said
CAUTION
contents contain
political promises .

I thought that was preety cool of the trucking company.
right on , I hope old Zalm runs again.
I would vote for the old crook before james or campbell
 
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