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kafka555

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Personally, I would rather be governed by a-holes than idiots. :)

Also the new moderate NDP is running a bunch of really moderate candidates like Adrian Dix (Glen Clark's former chief fixer for Casinogate, Hydrogate etc), David (lets make school strikes mandatory) Chudnovsky, Harry Lalli etc.
 

hugedman

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kafka555 said:
Personally, I would rather be governed by a-holes than idiots. :)

Also the new moderate NDP is running a bunch of really moderate candidates like Adrian Dix (Glen Clark's former chief fixer for Casinogate, Hydrogate etc), David (lets make school strikes mandatory) Chudnovsky, Harry Lalli etc.
Well said...k555. I never liked the NDP and I never will. Unless they have someone showing the ability and the leadership, which I doubt very much that carol james has.
 

hornydude

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Competent assholes

kafka555 said:
Personally, I would rather be governed by a-holes than idiots. :)

Also the new moderate NDP is running a bunch of really moderate candidates like Adrian Dix (Glen Clark's former chief fixer for Casinogate, Hydrogate etc), David (lets make school strikes mandatory) Chudnovsky, Harry Lalli etc.
I second this. I'll take the competent jerk over the incompetent but well-meaning walking cluster-fuck anyday....not that I'm implying the NDP are well-meaning ;)
 

RobBC

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hornydude said:
I second this. I'll take the competent jerk over the incompetent but well-meaning walking cluster-fuck anyday....not that I'm implying the NDP are well-meaning ;)
I would actually argue that the Liberals hire more based on ideology than competance so don't be so sure that the Liberals are "competent jerks".

RobBC
 

wilde

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An example of an indecisive voter

hornydude said:
Those Liberals are mean to dip-shits! Dip-shits of the world unite! Vote the oppressors out!

Later, Comrades!

hornydude said:
I second this. I'll take the competent jerk over the incompetent but well-meaning walking cluster-fuck anyday....not that I'm implying the NDP are well-meaning ;)
Made up your mind yet? :p
 

James

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RobBC said:
I would actually argue that the Liberals hire more based on ideology than competance so don't be so sure that the Liberals are "competent jerks".

RobBC
Translation: Various "left wingers", commies, and assorted other NDP supporters, who were working in Vic four years ago, are now looking for work.

Those who aren't have gone back to the jobs that were secured by union contracts. Don't ya love it? "I'll go work for another employer for a few years. But hold my job here, as this new one might not last past the next election. Don't worry about the guy/gal who you hire to replace me, he/she will understand that I only wanted a break."
 

BushPilot

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I've never heard such a load of shit from a bunch of people who obviously don't know the first thing about unions. The point I was making was that the Liberal campaign strategy has been successful. This is readily apparent from some of the posts above. The basic situation is that the Liberals want to cut off a valuable source of financial support from their chief opponents while holding on to all of theirs, and extorting some more from a few municipalities around the province at the same time, to boot.
 

Maury Beniowski

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What has Gordon done to you personally to promote this kind of hostilty?

LisaGigglez said:
i would love to shoot gordon campbell.
If you don't know the guy, how can you dislike him? You can hate what he does, but don't hate him for who or what he is, if you've never met him. If his politics upset you that much, then go out and do something about it, like getting involved in the political process. Too many people complain about our politicians, but how many put their own words into action?

It doesn't matter if we're talking about Liberals, NDP or the Green Party. They all have their views, and debating or challenging them in a respectful manner is all part of a healthy political process.

There's nothing more boring in this life than an armchair quarterback!
 

qwerty

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WhOiSyOuRdAdDy? said:
Where is the PC party or the Social Credit Party??

Why are the provincial Liberals not using "Liberal red" signs?
Because the B.C. Liberals are more Conservative than Liberal.
 

James

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BushPilot said:
I've never heard such a load of shit from a bunch of people who obviously don't know the first thing about unions.
Discretion prevents most of us from disclosing our qualifications on a given topic. Suffice to say that my experience was gained on both sides of the table.

Facts are facts, and neither side is lily white in this campaign.

The NDP is trying to get us to belive that they are not "Union backed", which is patently false. Dail up a union website, and see what they are saying.

They are also trying hard to distance themselves from their record of past failures. That's a hard gig, when the bunch of failures who ran the show in the 90's are well represented on the ballot.

At least the Libs don't hide from their sources of revenue, even if a small portion of it is going back. To a widely diverse group of contributors.

Who gives this province that best chance for the near future? I know what I beleive, and it ain't Carole James and her team of retreads, socialists, and union executives.

Peace, out.

PS: Lisa, I'm thankfull that you didn't show that kind of aggression during your recent demonstration of a hot and cold bj.......
 

BushPilot

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By the way, how many of those who are planning on enjoying their "Union" pension (largely, in some cases fully, funded) by the employer, have instructed the Trustees of said plan to avoid investing in "business"? Just how much money do the Unions invest in the "Union" pension plan? Honest answer: Not nearly as much as the Employer, and the Employee. In the three plans that I have been involved with? Zero, other than providing Trustees (who are paid by????).
Given that at least some members of Unions will support the Liberals, I wonder how much of the Union campaign funding is being spent in support of them? I wonder if those members think that the Union is truly supporting them?
A union is an organization of workers. As such, the 'union' doesn't invest in a pension plan. The employees that invest are the union. The union negotiates the terms of the pension investment (ie, the breakdown of employer/employee contribution) on behalf of all employees. Your attempted point is daft. As for trustees, they are elected by the union membership and generally perform their duties in an unpaid capacity. the exception to this is when their duties as a trustee take them away from their regular duties, they usually receive their full salary for the time that they are away from their job.
As for union members who support the Liberals, they are under no obligation to make donations to any party as a term of their union membership. Also, all union spending must be approved by the membership. If they attended their local meetings, they'd be fully capable of debating any and all spending by their local. In this way, the union DOES represent all members, even those who support the Liberals.
 

Fudd

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I really don't care if parties are supported by unions or not. They probably all have union support to some degree anyways. What I want is a government that has the following abilities:

- is competent enough to manage the province
- socially aware of the needs of the truly under priviledged
- will encourage job growth and investment in the province
- is aware of environmental issues but will not go unnecessarily overboard to the point they cause business to stagnate
- knows how to prioritize the truly important matters (like actually cracking down on real crimes instead of busting that marijuana cafe)

So far none of these parties seem to be able to do this. Is that too much to ask?
 

qwerty

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LisaGigglez said:
Just putting out there that i dislike him.
Lol, realistically, I dislike all politicians. Unfortunatly they are a necessary evil. Think about it though, by voting we're giving someone, for the most part, we don't know the power to make decisions that affect our lives. Worse than that we are resigned to the fact that no matter who we put there and how much we believe in what they 'claim' to stand for, they will spend much of their time in office trying to find a way to line their pockets using the power we entrusted them with.


Generally I chose my party based on how they spend my money. I prefer a party that won't run a deficit. federally, provincially, whatever. If a party cuts my taxes(I wouldn't notice anyway) but runs a deficit, what's the point of cutting the taxes? That's the way most conservatives run govn't and that's why i don't vote conservative. NDP provincially seem to just waste money creating 'temporary' jobs that go over budget and wind up wasting too much of my tax dollars.

To me the sponsorship scandal would be way worse if they were spending money they didn't have:Þ
 

wilde

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BushPilot said:
I've never heard such a load of shit from a bunch of people who obviously don't know the first thing about unions. The point I was making was that the Liberal campaign strategy has been successful. This is readily apparent from some of the posts above. The basic situation is that the Liberals want to cut off a valuable source of financial support from their chief opponents while holding on to all of theirs, and extorting some more from a few municipalities around the province at the same time, to boot.
If your point was so apparent why are you explaining it again? :confused:

BushPilot said:
From what I've seen, one of the Liberals' main strategies for this election, and it's been pretty successful, so far, has been to get many to regard 'union' as a dirty word.
To many of us, union is already a dirty word.

BushPilot said:
They've successfully painted the NDP as chiefly being funded by 'organized labour' while doing a good job of dodging the parallel question of their own corporate backing.
NDP IS funded chiefly by organized labour, that's a fact. No painting necessary. It seems to me that you are the one who dosen't know what you are talking about.
 

niteowl

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Unions back NDP
Liberals are backed Big Businesses/Corporations
It's raining in Spain.

What do the first two have in common with the last?
For me Who cares?

They way I see it a few corporations are run by unions and some corporations wouldn't be where they are without unions but corporations rather blame the union for their losses and say it was good management when they make profits and rarely saying anything positive about the workers.
All they rather do is intimindate them.

Was it not in the movie Wall Street, a plane company were blaming the union for losses and yet the company has a huge board of directors?
 

James

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So, some would have us believe that Unions are the ultimate democracy! If that's true, why do they fight like hell when somebody wants a secret ballot during a certification, or de-certification, attempt? Why do they support the theory that it should take fewer "signed up" members to initiate a certification than it should to initaite a de-certification? Shouldn't those trigger points be the same?

They scream about companies making good profits, yet they (through the pension plans) are amongst the biggest investors in the land. WTF?

When it's contract time, they demand "their share" of those profits, yet you'll never see them "give back" during loss cycles.

Anyhow, the entire point is: Do we want to be governed by a Union driven group of politicians? No matter how hard they try to distance themselves from what they really are, the NDP is driven by labour unions.

Again, I'm not saying that the Libs are the ultimate answer, but they're a safer bet at this point.

It's common knowledge that when business is good, everyone benefits. The benefit may well be "in the long run", but it is / will be there. When business is bad, everyone suffers, and usually far sooner than later.

If the business climate is good, and getting better, we should change direction?

Is there a place for unions in today's economy? Almost certainly. But they should stick to representing the employees who want them to.
 

hornydude

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Hey

BushPilot said:
I've never heard such a load of shit from a bunch of people who obviously don't know the first thing about unions. The point I was making was that the Liberal campaign strategy has been successful. This is readily apparent from some of the posts above. The basic situation is that the Liberals want to cut off a valuable source of financial support from their chief opponents while holding on to all of theirs, and extorting some more from a few municipalities around the province at the same time, to boot.
Speaking of not knowing about unions, I heard a rumour that unions promote sodomy amongst members to create feelings of "solidarity"...hence all the thinly-veiled homoerotic references to "brotherhood" and "sisterhood" of working people.

Never having been a part of a union, do you care to share with me any interesting experiences you may have had "paying your union dues"?...I always like to hear about alternative lifestyles!
 

Jonesy

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I guess you're the smart one, eh, hornydude? the 40% of BC voters who currently support the NDP couldn't possibly know what they are doing. They disagree with you, therefore they must not be smart enough to understand. However would we all survive without bright lights like you to lead our way?
40% are a combination of easily misled by big labour scare tactics that don't apply even 20 years ago, people who want something for nothing and those afraid of some real work.

As a society, we do need to have sufficient funds to take care of those who really need the help. A welfare state advocated by the NDP ensures that there will be no funds, no incentives and certainly no help for those who really need it in the long term when all the funds dry up.

Ten years and almost a Province down the drain. Tell me it isn't possible that people have that short of a memory?

Carole James and her ilk are milking people who cannot seemingly figure things out for themselves. It is sad to witness and one can only hope that sanity prevails on the 17th. One can only hope.
 

niteowl

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To wilde

On a lighter note.... To nightowl:
Are you or are you not a die hard NDP fan? Does any of the above or none of the above apply to your situation?
And if you are going to start taking history tour, I don't think we have enough space here to list all the screw ups by the NDP in the last decade. Here is a tip, if you are going to pick a fight, at least pick one that you have a chance of winning. Or maybe you are just suicidal.


I'm just merely stating about what much of a hypocrite Campbell is or any of us for that matter.
 
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