Wake up!!! Don't you understand that the "free" medical services you think you are getting are being paid for with your taxes. You pay for it. It isn't some fantasy land situation. What the Liberals have done is try and reduce the cost of that system and let people use their money to make more of their own choices with it. I cannot believe people somehow feel the government is some anonymous funding agent to take care of us all. Wake up!RobBC said:
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RobBC said:
Ya damn fucking right I don't give a shit about people less fortunate then me. I worked my fucking ass off all my life to get to where I am and I made sacrafices along the way. If some lazy slob coasts through life and is less off then me, well why the hell should I have to wait in the same Healthcare line as him. That lazy slob can go fuck himself, that's what.
Besides, if I go pay for my own surgery, then the guy behiend me just got his surgery faster.
I'm glad the Liberals kicked a lot of bums off welfare too. Okay, if you need it, it should be there for you. IE, handicapped people. BUT.... if you are too fucking lazy to get a job, and just want to sit at home and watch TV all day collecting welfare, then you can go fuck yourself too. If that lazy fuck needs surgery, he should be booted out of the country. Give HIM the chair I say. The dumb ass NDP's were handing out welfare cheques like candy when they were in power last. What retards.
I'll pass on both thanks. I like to sleep comfortably at night, and if sleeping with someone else, demand that be of the female persuasion.
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Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will), but corruption is something the Campbell Liberals have yet to be accused or convicted of. DUI, heartless, blood sucking vampire bean counters has been a fairly common theme, but so far not corrupt.Well, first there is the Basi/Virk raid on the legislature, which we still don't know all the details about, but could involve the BC Rail deal.
How about the Agriculture Ministe John Van Dongen tipping off fish farms before inspections? He should have lost his job over that, but Gordo just brushed it aside. This is the the same guy (JVD) who gets thousands in donations from East Indian farmers and looks the other way over labour and environmental violations on said farms.
Then there is the premier's brother-in-law Doug Walls - "
...proven in the PriceWaterhouseCoopers report which shows Mr. Walls received over $450,00 in untendered contracts and had been forgiven approximately $1.2 million in debt to the government outside the proper channels."
I think these qualify as corruption and they're only the few we know about.
Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will), but corruption is something the Campbell Liberals have yet to be accused or convicted of. DUI, heartless, blood sucking vampire bean counters has been a fairly common theme, but so far not corrupt.Well, first there is the Basi/Virk raid on the legislature, which we still don't know all the details about, but could involve the BC Rail deal.
How about the Agriculture Ministe John Van Dongen tipping off fish farms before inspections? He should have lost his job over that, but Gordo just brushed it aside. This is the the same guy (JVD) who gets thousands in donations from East Indian farmers and looks the other way over labour and environmental violations on said farms.
Then there is the premier's brother-in-law Doug Walls - "
...proven in the PriceWaterhouseCoopers report which shows Mr. Walls received over $450,00 in untendered contracts and had been forgiven approximately $1.2 million in debt to the government outside the proper channels."
I think these qualify as corruption and they're only the few we know about.
Well, as someone who paid significantly more than the average person makes in payroll and property taxes, and who knows how much in PST & GST as a consumer, I can only say that:
- I don't mind paying a bigger chunk for my own healthcare if it truly makes it easier on someone with a not so good disposition, not of their own doing or choice.
- Reform welfare services so that able bodied people are working for the federal, provincial, or local government to earn it. As an example, why pay people to sit on their ass AND pay people union rates to clean the streets and parks at the same time?
- Institutionalize the mentally ill and drug addicts.
- Abolish the Young Offenders Act. If you do the crime, you do the time.
- Immediately deport anybody not born here, without appeal, who has broken the law beyond a basic traffic violation.
- Institute a stringent house arrest penalty for offences such as property crimes. There is technology available that would allow the authorities to use irremovable GPS devices or implants to track these scumbags.
- Institute the death penalty for capital, irrefutable offences instead of spending $50 - $80k per year in net tax dollars that it costs to incarcerate these people. In these cases, freedom and life on this planet should be taken as a privilege and not a right.
- Legalize pot. The costs associated with busting people and grow-ops, bringing it to court, and in general, dealing with the criminal element, would all be gone. If anything, it would add to the tax base.
- Stop funding and grants to ALL special interest groups. If people believe in a cause so passionately, and it's truly worthwhile, they should have no problem selling their case to others who would gladly contribute the $$$.
- Eliminate tax payer funded immigrant acclimatization programs. If you want to move here, be prepared to do so or take out a loan to help finance you to do so. It shouldn't come out of my pocket.
- Public transit should be a user pay and funded system not subsidized by tax dollars.
- Steep tax deductions granted to those who buy, make, and sell non-fossil fuelled vehicles.
- Eliminate the PST & GST on Canadian made products purchased from Canadian owned and operated companies.
- Heavily tax the use of products that contribute to poor health such as fast/junk food, smokes, booze, and weed.
- Make it illegal for profitable companies to lay-off workers in the name of increasing earnings or at least discourage them by penalizing the company by making them accountable for 50% of the person's UI.
- I don't mind paying a bigger chunk for my own healthcare if it truly makes it easier on someone with a not so good disposition, not of their own doing or choice.
- Reform welfare services so that able bodied people are working for the federal, provincial, or local government to earn it. As an example, why pay people to sit on their ass AND pay people union rates to clean the streets and parks at the same time?
- Institutionalize the mentally ill and drug addicts.
- Abolish the Young Offenders Act. If you do the crime, you do the time.
- Immediately deport anybody not born here, without appeal, who has broken the law beyond a basic traffic violation.
- Institute a stringent house arrest penalty for offences such as property crimes. There is technology available that would allow the authorities to use irremovable GPS devices or implants to track these scumbags.
- Institute the death penalty for capital, irrefutable offences instead of spending $50 - $80k per year in net tax dollars that it costs to incarcerate these people. In these cases, freedom and life on this planet should be taken as a privilege and not a right.
- Legalize pot. The costs associated with busting people and grow-ops, bringing it to court, and in general, dealing with the criminal element, would all be gone. If anything, it would add to the tax base.
- Stop funding and grants to ALL special interest groups. If people believe in a cause so passionately, and it's truly worthwhile, they should have no problem selling their case to others who would gladly contribute the $$$.
- Eliminate tax payer funded immigrant acclimatization programs. If you want to move here, be prepared to do so or take out a loan to help finance you to do so. It shouldn't come out of my pocket.
- Public transit should be a user pay and funded system not subsidized by tax dollars.
- Steep tax deductions granted to those who buy, make, and sell non-fossil fuelled vehicles.
- Eliminate the PST & GST on Canadian made products purchased from Canadian owned and operated companies.
- Heavily tax the use of products that contribute to poor health such as fast/junk food, smokes, booze, and weed.
- Make it illegal for profitable companies to lay-off workers in the name of increasing earnings or at least discourage them by penalizing the company by making them accountable for 50% of the person's UI.
The pot thing will nver happen. The US has strong feelings about this, and we rely on them to much. They can really fuck things up for us if so inclined.The Lizard King said:
-Eliminate GST, PST for Canadian crap? Sounds nice, but an accounting nightmare. where do you draw the line?. For example, as the rule is set up now, if I import an aluminnum poker chip case from China, poker chips from Taiwan, and cards from Indonesia, bring them all here and simply assemble them all in one package from the comfort of my own basement, I can legally put a 'Made in Canada' stamp on my product.
-Make it impossible to lay off workers of profitable companies? Oh please... That's got to be the worst idea ever. Every corporation would leave the province and the economy would come to a grinding halt. People would get 'fired' instead of laid off and therefor not even qualify for EI. That idea has scandal written all over it. Corps would be hesitant to hire anyone.. What about when technology take over jobs? You gunna have a corporation with dozens of people just sitting around picking their asses??
Besides, employers already do pay half the EI. whatever is taken off a worker's pay cheque, the employer must match it. EI is not the problem either... That program is billions in the black.
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I'd like to see more money invested in good citizenship classes. We obviously need more education in that respect.mustangjoe said:
The context is pretty irrelevent --- your quote speaks for itself, and nothing you added made it into sarcasm or anything other than what you said --- it merely amplified it. Those less fortunate are lazy....isn't that what it boiled down to?mustangjoe said:
most of the time, yes.
Of course there are excpetions but I am making a general statement.
There are a lot of lazy free loading assholes out there and they piss me off. While I'm out making money and paying income tax, these lazy slobs are taking advantage of people like me and the system.
Fuck 'em
And who the hell said I'm trying to be sarcastic??
Of course there are excpetions but I am making a general statement.
There are a lot of lazy free loading assholes out there and they piss me off. While I'm out making money and paying income tax, these lazy slobs are taking advantage of people like me and the system.
Fuck 'em
And who the hell said I'm trying to be sarcastic??
MJ, you really need to get out of Canada for a few months and look around this planet. There are places where some or all of your points above are in effect. They are not really very nice places to visit, let alone live.
Perhaps this country needs an option where people like yourself, could opt out of all the benefits of citizenship and pay little to no taxes as a result. However if your personal circumstances ever go south, you would receive nothing. And for good measure, you get taken out back and shot, (just to prevent you turning to crime as a last resort and inconveniencing the rest of us tax paying citizens).
What really amazes me the most however, is the complete lack of empathy for people who end up wanting due to circumstances beyond their control. My brother once worked in the oilpatch and had a pretty low opinion of welfare bums etc. The recession in the eighties hit and he found himself in the welfare office along with thousands of his redneck buddies He actually took me aside a couple of years ago and thanked me for not laughing and saying "I told you so" to him back when he was at his lowest.
rickoshadows
Perhaps this country needs an option where people like yourself, could opt out of all the benefits of citizenship and pay little to no taxes as a result. However if your personal circumstances ever go south, you would receive nothing. And for good measure, you get taken out back and shot, (just to prevent you turning to crime as a last resort and inconveniencing the rest of us tax paying citizens).
What really amazes me the most however, is the complete lack of empathy for people who end up wanting due to circumstances beyond their control. My brother once worked in the oilpatch and had a pretty low opinion of welfare bums etc. The recession in the eighties hit and he found himself in the welfare office along with thousands of his redneck buddies He actually took me aside a couple of years ago and thanked me for not laughing and saying "I told you so" to him back when he was at his lowest.
rickoshadows
You bet you can. For virtually industry in Canada, there's a manufacturer's association. All the Gov't has to do is put in a requirement that EVERY sector has one and create subsequent guidelines around manufacturing vs assembly etc. It would be self policing and random monitoring could be outsourced to and organization such as ISO.
Bullshit. There's money to be made off the Canadian public and the folks who visit here. Companies will not pull out, and if they do, maybe they should be restricted from selling their products or services here. No presence, no business. And the point is, companies should pay half the benefit, not match the deduction at source. What planet are you from? People just don't get "fired" anymore unless there's sufficient cause and documentation. Certainly not without a large severance anyway. It's law.
Was searching for something and this old thread popped up.
Interesting perspective from six years ago.
See how many acts of corruption we quickly forget?
Who remembers Doug Walls? Or the Coquihalla Highway privatization? Or closing Delta's hospital?
Or a cabinet Minister tipping of fish farms before inspections?
Interesting perspective from six years ago.
See how many acts of corruption we quickly forget?
Who remembers Doug Walls? Or the Coquihalla Highway privatization? Or closing Delta's hospital?
Or a cabinet Minister tipping of fish farms before inspections?
