BC election thread
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I remember when the Socreds were conservatives and Liberals were, well, Liberal.
Now we have a conservative Liberal party, and a “socialist” NDP party that pissed off all the teachers to be more centralist.
Oh, and a Green party as the Protest vote alternative. I’m thinking there will be less protest voters this election and the Green’s will decline.
Bigger question is if the electorate punishes Horgan for calling a self-selving election and trying to buy votes by witholding ICBC rebates in times of need, or if the electorate sees Wilkinson as insufficiently centralist and risky, and trying to buy our votes with PST cuts.
Polls are not a good predictor of elections when there are many dynamics in play. So I think it comes down to how much Horgan pisses people off and if he can cling onto Bonnie’s magic carpet ride for a while longer.
Now we have a conservative Liberal party, and a “socialist” NDP party that pissed off all the teachers to be more centralist.
Oh, and a Green party as the Protest vote alternative. I’m thinking there will be less protest voters this election and the Green’s will decline.
Bigger question is if the electorate punishes Horgan for calling a self-selving election and trying to buy votes by witholding ICBC rebates in times of need, or if the electorate sees Wilkinson as insufficiently centralist and risky, and trying to buy our votes with PST cuts.
Polls are not a good predictor of elections when there are many dynamics in play. So I think it comes down to how much Horgan pisses people off and if he can cling onto Bonnie’s magic carpet ride for a while longer.
Andrew Wilkinson Liberals, a disappointment waiting to happen. If you're going to cut taxes, cut the taxes that can aid the British Columbia economy and environment. Cutting PST only aids importers, foreign economies, the globalist agenda. Building freeways to go to work in Vancouver. Incredible waste of time and resources to build and sit in a car hours to and from one of British Columbia's low paying non-jobs that can' t afford mortgage nor rent living in Vancouver, spouse working. Walk safefully to an interesting job in the morning, mortgage paid off, drive to fulfilling vacations in a nation that knows how to balance budgets.
They will support infrastructure projects in NDP ridings only, regardless of importance to the Province. The NDP took over a year to sign the Canada/BC infrastructure agreement and after they finally signed it, they launched an application process seeking projects to support across the Province to help promote economic development.
Then they kept moving the decision date on their website further and further out and changing which Minister would be making decisions for the submitted projects. Finally after two years of postponing the decisions they approved projects that somehow had nothing to do with the criteria stated in the applications but did have NDP ridings written all over them.
In the meanwhile, I found out that they had been handing money out almost a week after the program application submission date under that program while telling other cities that they hadn't made their minds up. Yet other Municipalities waited 2 years to get their notice that funding was denied.
Also has the NDP built the bridge to replace the Massey Tunnel? No they haven't.
A few months back during COVID the feds asked the Provinces to begin distributing the balance of funding under the Infrastructure Agreement to make sure the Economy would not collapse. BC has close to a billion left unspent. So what does BC do? They launch the same program over but indicating projects that are shovel ready would need to delay their start by two years. So do you think the NDP know what it takes to oil the economy POST COVID?
I assume that gives them sufficient time to hold the election and reward their party cronies with suitcases of Federal Cash.
The NDP also have stipulated that construction companies who aren't unionized will make funding of certain projects ineligible if prime and sub contractors are not unionized so what do you think that means for SMALL BUSINESS? The small drywall companies and framing companies with three or four workers?
It means that the workers go on unemployment for a bit and the owners go bankrupt losing their homes and their pickup trucks. NDP DO NOT SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS OR ENTREPRENEURSHIP. They support bigger government and UNIONS
I will not be voting NDP and I will not be voting LIBERAL as each are corrupt in their own unique ways.
I am finally going GREEN because how bad can a bunch of people whose majority of Candidates have never been politicians?
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hahaha, lol
never been politicians?
you have 4 yrs of proof down south to what that can look like, hahaha
Greens are typically activists for a specific cause. Few corrupt business people would chòose to enter the political arena, choosing the green party as the one that will get them elected and into power. They choose either the conservatives or liberals if they want to eat at the pigs trough.
Greens are too idealistic and not sure how you can compare them to Trump who needed to get a hold of other peoples money as he was running out of his own.
Of course you do. You aren't a business owner and likely work for a company with a union. Unions are like Government and only protect their friends. I had a friend once who was in the union and her and three other girls lodged a complaint against a shop steward about bullying and sexually overt comments towards them. When they took their complaints to management her manager fully supported her and her friends. The union called in the big guns and defended the shop steward and in spite of all the supporting evidence that the steward was guilty he was not allowed to be fired by the company and the girls each left their good paying union jobs because the company and union failed them.
Unions are as corrupt and evil as governments and get in bed with each other.
So yes I fully expected Union people to counter my statement.
Thank you Jimmy Ray Hoffa, you are an outstanding PERB member LOCO 69
I have always worked in the private sector, and have never had the opportunity to work in a union environment. Non-government industry.
I have witnessed abuse and corruption for over 30 years. Worker protection has been non existent in my field. There is no pension plan, other than what I put into my own RRSP. Minimal medical/dental coverage.
I've always been envious of people working in a union environment that had someone to speak up on their behalf, go to bat for them. People who can actually afford to retire at some point.
The anecdotal evidence you provide for harassment as an argument against unions also take place in the private sector without unions.
Unions are why we have a middle class and why the working class have rights. Why labour laws exist. It benefits society, even those who don't belong to unions, because it raises the standard of living for everybody.
I personally get paid very well for what I do, well above the national average, but that is because I am very experienced in my field, and very sought after. But beyond the paycheck, the benefits are non existent.
I have witnessed abuse and corruption for over 30 years. Worker protection has been non existent in my field. There is no pension plan, other than what I put into my own RRSP. Minimal medical/dental coverage.
I've always been envious of people working in a union environment that had someone to speak up on their behalf, go to bat for them. People who can actually afford to retire at some point.
The anecdotal evidence you provide for harassment as an argument against unions also take place in the private sector without unions.
Unions are why we have a middle class and why the working class have rights. Why labour laws exist. It benefits society, even those who don't belong to unions, because it raises the standard of living for everybody.
I personally get paid very well for what I do, well above the national average, but that is because I am very experienced in my field, and very sought after. But beyond the paycheck, the benefits are non existent.
Anybody that is saying I 'm cutting taxes; really is a retard. Sure they'' ll get voted in, but the economy will suck for the next couple of years, any revenue you cut, you are just cutting your own throat and chances of relection for next time. The government will need money, increasing the PST will happen. GST will increase. Company taxes will go up. Less chance of hiding money in offshore accounts. Wait for it.
Yes but in the private sector that asshole is 100% fired and loses his Job. In a Union Environment he has immunity and gets away with a slap on the wrist. His wrists get slapped 3 or 4 times and is like a parasite that there is no cure for.
Ever wonder why so many cops who are caught in the act of laying down a beating are iften back on the job within days?
In the story I conveyed about the women who were getting abused by their union supervisors the guy who was actually proven to have been abusive by an independant investigator, then went on to launch complaints of abuse on his team and his manager and after that investigation another expensive Investigator found that his complaints were unfounded and vindictive. By the time it was over three of the four women resigned and the Manager had a nervous breakdown. The guy returned to work, but basically watches videos all day instead of working knowing he won't get fired.
Wow anyone watch the debate? That Horgan is a lieing sleezeball. I am still leaning green.
The debate was 6 X better than the USA shitshows!
I got to know the candidates way better than media reports, abd learned a lot more about them and their plans.
Best moderated debate in the last ten years! She’s got bigger balls than Trump and Horgan Combined!
Fuk, I want to vote for Shachi Kurl now!
# Write In.
I got to know the candidates way better than media reports, abd learned a lot more about them and their plans.
Best moderated debate in the last ten years! She’s got bigger balls than Trump and Horgan Combined!
Fuk, I want to vote for Shachi Kurl now!
# Write In.
I enjoyed listening to this debate without any interruptions, talking over one another and no kindergarten insults (#45). Props to the moderator.
Sonia Furstenau held her own and clearly expressed her points. The other two have so many skeletons in their closets that they’ll be spending time pleading their innocence.
It will be interesting if there is any change to the next legislature. I’m thinking there will be a low turnout for in person voting and many people will mail in their votes.
Sonia Furstenau held her own and clearly expressed her points. The other two have so many skeletons in their closets that they’ll be spending time pleading their innocence.
It will be interesting if there is any change to the next legislature. I’m thinking there will be a low turnout for in person voting and many people will mail in their votes.
I have to agree with you. I turned it on by mistake as I was wanting to listen to the news and actually kept it on. They were civil to each other, they debated policies and platforms, and the whole thing was well structured and moderated. I like the idea of exporting our system to the US and gaining revenue to put towards are burgeoning deficit!!
Well, my thoughts on the campaign so far, after having seen the TV debate and heard the radio debate: None of it changed my basic opinion of what the parties & leaders are about, or who I should vote for.
Some of the promises made in the campaign are truly absurd.
Wilkinson pledging to cut the PST, yet somehow not cut services, is either not like a right wing party at all, or else they are just lying their asses off to dangle a "goodie" for voters. It is ridiculous to argue that cutting the PST in any way helps businesses like restaurants and tourism survive. The reason customers aren't coming has nothing to do with taxes or expenses, and everything to do with being forced to avoid other people due to a deadly fucking virus. A 7% discount won't change that fact. Plus to achieve that piddling small price drop, they would do something that is fiscally insane. The pandemic has caused higher drain on the province's accounts than ever before. It has added things to the provincial to-do list that were long overdue and can't be ignored anymore. Yet he wants to accomplish all this with billions less in revenue? How?! Nobody likes paying a sales tax, but can you think of some other tax they would like paying more of to make up for it? Property tax? Income tax? Reviving MSP premiums? Corporate taxes? At least with a sales tax, you can control how much you pay by buying less luxuries / non-essentials. Basically, there is no way that Wilkinson's PST math works. I think the BC Liberals plan is to just sing the deficit song for now, while the pandemic is going on and nobody dares argue for austerity, but as soon as it's over, find some excuse to make some ruthless cuts to public services.
On the other side, you've got Horgan doing a different version of the same thing - clinging to the idea of no bridge tolls, yet promising to rebuild the Massey crossing, the Patullo, and so on and so on... transportation projects which are necessary, definitely, but which can't be funded by fairy dust. Again, if not paid for by some comprehensive toll system on all major bridges, then how? Raise property tax, income tax, corporate tax, fuel tax (not the carbon tax; I mean the other ones), etc? In the end, the people always pay, and the only question is how. Drivers funding the bridges that they drive over makes sense, but politically, neither the NDP nor Liberals have had the guts to tell it like it is. Even if it makes sense, they can't sell it at election time, so they act like they are "saving" us from it. Maybe they're expecting to always have a Justin Trudeau to swoop in like Iron Man and shower them with federal dollars. Personally, I wouldn't count on that, because the feds have to get their money somewhere too, and the federal COVID deficit is an order of magnitude larger than the provincial one.
The TV debate was pretty tame; the radio debate much more punchy. Furstenau did the best of all of them in the TV one, but less so in the radio debate where she could not get much word in while Horgan and Wilkinson blasted away at each other.
I observed Fustenau's style is generally kinfa weird. She tries to put on the friendly / compassionate "pacifist" face - unless it has been about Horgan making up excuses so he could call the election as some sort of sneak-attack on the Greens. On that issue, she's been like a pit-bull, sinking her teeth into Horgan, and not letting go without drawing blood. And Horgan has looked quite foolish trying to dodge and deflect blame on this issue; none of it works, and only makes him look even more cynical and self-serving. I guess that's because the criticism is true: an election is happening during the 2nd wave of a pandemic because the NDP saw an opportunity to to hold power ALONE. As for Wilkinson, he looks pretty lost and desperate this campaign, like he is trying to lead a party that wants to be itself without ever seeming like itself. It has been a weird mixture of trying to throw down some goodies as a smokescreen for some other policies which really want but which they know they public doesn't support.
So, after all that, after all the campaign noise so far, I decided to do my advance vote today, and voted Green. It's probably no chance against the other two in this riding, but might as well give support where it is deserved.
Some of the promises made in the campaign are truly absurd.
Wilkinson pledging to cut the PST, yet somehow not cut services, is either not like a right wing party at all, or else they are just lying their asses off to dangle a "goodie" for voters. It is ridiculous to argue that cutting the PST in any way helps businesses like restaurants and tourism survive. The reason customers aren't coming has nothing to do with taxes or expenses, and everything to do with being forced to avoid other people due to a deadly fucking virus. A 7% discount won't change that fact. Plus to achieve that piddling small price drop, they would do something that is fiscally insane. The pandemic has caused higher drain on the province's accounts than ever before. It has added things to the provincial to-do list that were long overdue and can't be ignored anymore. Yet he wants to accomplish all this with billions less in revenue? How?! Nobody likes paying a sales tax, but can you think of some other tax they would like paying more of to make up for it? Property tax? Income tax? Reviving MSP premiums? Corporate taxes? At least with a sales tax, you can control how much you pay by buying less luxuries / non-essentials. Basically, there is no way that Wilkinson's PST math works. I think the BC Liberals plan is to just sing the deficit song for now, while the pandemic is going on and nobody dares argue for austerity, but as soon as it's over, find some excuse to make some ruthless cuts to public services.
On the other side, you've got Horgan doing a different version of the same thing - clinging to the idea of no bridge tolls, yet promising to rebuild the Massey crossing, the Patullo, and so on and so on... transportation projects which are necessary, definitely, but which can't be funded by fairy dust. Again, if not paid for by some comprehensive toll system on all major bridges, then how? Raise property tax, income tax, corporate tax, fuel tax (not the carbon tax; I mean the other ones), etc? In the end, the people always pay, and the only question is how. Drivers funding the bridges that they drive over makes sense, but politically, neither the NDP nor Liberals have had the guts to tell it like it is. Even if it makes sense, they can't sell it at election time, so they act like they are "saving" us from it. Maybe they're expecting to always have a Justin Trudeau to swoop in like Iron Man and shower them with federal dollars. Personally, I wouldn't count on that, because the feds have to get their money somewhere too, and the federal COVID deficit is an order of magnitude larger than the provincial one.
The TV debate was pretty tame; the radio debate much more punchy. Furstenau did the best of all of them in the TV one, but less so in the radio debate where she could not get much word in while Horgan and Wilkinson blasted away at each other.
I observed Fustenau's style is generally kinfa weird. She tries to put on the friendly / compassionate "pacifist" face - unless it has been about Horgan making up excuses so he could call the election as some sort of sneak-attack on the Greens. On that issue, she's been like a pit-bull, sinking her teeth into Horgan, and not letting go without drawing blood. And Horgan has looked quite foolish trying to dodge and deflect blame on this issue; none of it works, and only makes him look even more cynical and self-serving. I guess that's because the criticism is true: an election is happening during the 2nd wave of a pandemic because the NDP saw an opportunity to to hold power ALONE. As for Wilkinson, he looks pretty lost and desperate this campaign, like he is trying to lead a party that wants to be itself without ever seeming like itself. It has been a weird mixture of trying to throw down some goodies as a smokescreen for some other policies which really want but which they know they public doesn't support.
So, after all that, after all the campaign noise so far, I decided to do my advance vote today, and voted Green. It's probably no chance against the other two in this riding, but might as well give support where it is deserved.
Totally agree on Sonia, I live in a strong NDP riding, otherwise I would consider voting Green.
Wilkinson is like Mr. Charles Montgomery Burns, so I am sure he is still feeling the effects of his forced smile from the end of the debate.
