BBFS.........Wake up call again.

[lipsmacker]

Creole Lady Marmelade

Is it so hard to comprehend that a street worker is your peer?

British Columbia has a history or whoring like no other in Canada . Smart street hookers who were sick and tired of plying their trade in public and giving their money to pimps and getting arrested were forced to operate inside. This is when hookers became invisible.
Neighborhoods were happy no more visible prostitution cops decided city hall decide law maker decided this was better turn a blind eye.

These women made it possible for you to rent a room and turn tricks basically legally.

You walk a tight rope with your safety when you believe you better that a street whore. Like all trades you have to start at the beginning in order to know where your going . In order to know your market you must know what your dealing with. Refusing to see says to me you will won't last but this is no concern to me . How can you believe your safe when you have all the answers?

The ladies on the street who experience bad dates make it so you don't die. Their blood spilled saved your life today. They take the beating that was meant for you .

High end escorts die just like street die . Escorts are strangled and beaten just like street girls.

Men who make the choice to to inflict violence on street girls also inflict violence on Escorts .

When a hookers dies that's what they call her a hooker where she worked or how much she charged makes no difference in the end.

The fact is is Thailand , China, India, Pakistan, United States Canada women are forced by law and violence and poverty to do exactly what your doing.
Could you look in the eyes of a child prostitute and tell her your better than her?

Could you would you tell the parents of of a murdered prostitute your better than their daughter /son because you work in a nice apartment only six blocks from the dumpster they found their daughters body in?

Truth is not something packaged nicely and it is not something you will ever hear from your clients. They live in a fantasy they rely on you to perpetuate it for them. It is those who came before you , the ones that died and those still alive who will be the ones who will in the end save you.

Instead of thinking your better maybe its wise to think about the consequences of what you think you stand for. If you truly are a better hooker because of your ethics prove it .

 

[n2supersymmetry]

There's no way of proving any SP had engaged in BBFS with a client, is what I'm trying to get at.

True ... but how does the reverse work? A client can't prove his own innocence if he is put on the list ... a list which if it's created as suggested, the guys will have no access to.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

True ... but how does the reverse work? A client can't prove his own innocence if he is put on the list ... a list which if it's created as suggested, the guys will have no access to.

You have a point, my friend. Women are recepticals for disease, men are carriers. It's easier for a women to be infected with an STI than a man. Just as with the conception of this board and many others, hope for the best. There are some amazing female members presently posting on this board with genius ideals, let's hope they come together and produce a board with strong ethics not having to falsely name clients for offences out of spite.

 

[logsplitter]

While this thread is already too much to read all to catch up on it has missed the ripped condom element. I have had some 50 sessions in the last year. Twice I blew a condom ( That equals 4%). Once I knew right away and stopped. The other time the fun part was all over before either of us knew it. IMHO every SP should have an emergency kit for such an event which provides a flush with anti-whatever is necessary in it. It may not be 100% but it has to be better for her than waiting and getting tested in a week and in 6 months again. For my part I exit to the washroom and wash off with soap and water (it has to be better than acting like it didn't happen).

Like others that have posted here I get tested every 6 months and when a broken safe happens I go in a week or so later and test. I only see sp's that advertise on EC and are reviewed on PERB.

On the BBFS subject I know it exists to varying degrees. A year back I had a popular Sp jump on without the hat. She didn't even get a stroke in and I stopped everything. It scared the shit out of me because she was reviewed here a lot and was rather popular. She is still in the business.

The big surprise for me was to learn from many sp's (close to 40% of the ladies that I have seen) that they regularly have unprotected with their boyfriend/dates and on again/off again relationships that they have while being sp's. I seriously doubt that a sp's boyfriend is monogamous and probably gets around on his own unprotected also!

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

Is it so hard to comprehend that a street worker is your peer?

British Columbia has a history or whoring like no other in Canada . Smart street hookers who were sick and tired of plying their trade in public and giving their money to pimps and getting arrested were forced to operate inside. This is when hookers became invisible.
Neighborhoods were happy no more visible prostitution cops decided city hall decide law maker decided this was better turn a blind eye.

These women made it possible for you to rent a room and turn tricks basically legally.

You walk a tight rope with your safety when you believe you better that a street whore. Like all trades you have to start at the beginning in order to know where your going . In order to know your market you must know what your dealing with. Refusing to see says to me you will won't last but this is no concern to me . How can you believe your safe when you have all the answers?

The ladies on the street who experience bad dates make it so you don't die. Their blood spilled saved your life today. They take the beating that was meant for you .

High end escorts die just like street die . Escorts are strangled and beaten just like street girls.

Men who make the choice to to inflict violence on street girls also inflict violence on Escorts .

When a hookers dies that's what they call her a hooker where she worked or how much she charged makes no difference in the end.

The fact is is Thailand , China, India, Pakistan, United States Canada women are forced by law and violence and poverty to do exactly what your doing.
Could you look in the eyes of a child prostitute and tell her your better than her?

Could you would you tell the parents of of a murdered prostitute your better than their daughter /son because you work in a nice apartment only six blocks from the dumpster they found their daughters body in?

Truth is not something packaged nicely and it is not something you will ever hear from your clients. They live in a fantasy they rely on you to perpetuate it for them. It is those who came before you , the ones that died and those still alive who will be the ones who will in the end save you.

Instead of thinking your better maybe its wise to think about the consequences of what you think you stand for. If you truly are a better hooker because of your ethics prove it .

I'm only going to say this once and then I will...

What planet are you from? I'm not sure where you get your info from to get fired up like this but it certainly isn't from my posts.

Oh, look what I found.

Ladies let's be kind to one another. We are colleagues, not enemies.

And by the way, one of my friends from school was found to have her DNA on the Pickton farm and is on the list of murdered victims.

 

[n2supersymmetry]

You have a point, my friend. Women are recepticals for disease, men are carriers. It's easier for a women to be infected with an STI than a man. Just as with the conception of this board and many others, hope for the best. There are some amazing female members presently posting on this board with genius ideals, let's hope they come together and produce a board with strong ethics not having to falsely name clients for offences out of spite.

I am all for a list of sorts but hopefully when such a list is created there will be a system in place for dealing with inevitable disputes.
We both agree that proving BBFS is going to be tough and most likely devolve into a he-said-she-said scenario. BBFSdude haven't offered a lick of proof he actually engaged in such activities and already he caused an uproar among the board members. You can imagine what kind of shitstorm a formal accusation with names involved will happen.
Anyways, I hope a fair and impartial system for settling disputes will be in place when such a list does go hot.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

I am all for a list of sorts but hopefully when such a list is created there will be a system in place for dealing with inevitable disputes.
We both agree that proving BBFS is going to be tough and most likely devolve into a he-said-she-said scenario. BBFSdude haven't offered a lick of proof he actually engaged in such activities and already he caused an uproar among the board members. You can imagine what kind of shitstorm a formal accusation with names involved will happen.
Anyways, I hope a fair and impartial system for settling disputes will be in place when such a list does go hot.

Absolutely. *High five*, brother.

 

[afterplay]

Addressing a whole bunch of issues here.

BBFS: The list, the list, the list... well, I guess that'd be one way for people to satisfy that fetish. I guess that'd be one way for SPs to increase their client base. I guess that'd be one way for someone to sandbag an SP. I guess it's be a way to sandbag a client too, though it's easier for us to change our identities.

Some years ago, I read something where an experienced pooner of 20-plus year said "When a lady says I only do this with you" your thought should be "and anyone else who can pay my rates." How true that is, I don't know. But if it's something that's higher risk (as if this hobby is "safe") you might want to assume that if you do get an offer, so does everyone else. Use that in your personal risk calculation. Then remember that risk when you pick your next tryst. If everyone exercised a little consideration and caution, well, it'd be better for us all.

I remember the charts they showed us in health classes, asserting that when you have sex with someone you're basically having sex with everyone they've had sex with. I'm not sure I believe that, but if nothing else, it's a heads-up.

His or Hers Condoms: just check the wrapper. Every condom wrapper I've ever seen has some air in it so it's a bit puffy; moreso when you squeeze it. Just check for leaks if you're worried about pinholes. Also, I'm picky about condoms, so I have no problem bringing a new sealed box with me. I've heard of ladies who'll let you bring your own, so long as they get to open the box. Fine... make sure it's MSOG, though I'll find good uses for the rest. Or keep them for next time. I'm also bright enough to not stick the condoms in my wallet; I'll either leave them in the box in my briefcase or tear off a strip and stick them in my breast pocket.

SW vs. Escort/Call-Girl vs. MPA: I respect the right of all in this strange little world to seek pleasure in their own way. Personally, I can't bring myself to transact business right in the street, so that means I'm not seeing the SWs, even if they to the same job as the Escort or MPA. We've read hygiene horror stories for just about any venue, so it's silly to believe that girls are/aren't dirty just because they are/aren't out on the track. I'm sure I've smelled people smoking up in massage places and I've heard MPAs say not-nice-things about other MPAs (maybe it's just rumors and trash-talking) but it's silly to believe that just because they're inside they've never done anything ... regrettable. Same with the escorts; there are the gems and the nightmares. I'd prefer to see a lady with a bit more of a rep for running a tight ship, as it were. I'm not sure how the SWs could establish such a rep. It's perfectly understandable that the ladies would like to know that their clients are trying to be a bit careful, so I guess I can understand why they're not fond of serial pooners or those who hang out on the track.

Trolls: maybe bbfsdude is a troll, maybe he's telling the truth. Either way, it's nice to see some level, mature conversation here. If we have learned something about safety, if we have become better for the discourse, then there is some inherent value in the provocative posts.

It's not worth getting "proper f*cked" just to get laid.

(edit: proper grammar)

 

[Audrey]

A better frame of mind.

In general:

I think the way I rationalize what I'm doing is by thinking that I am somehow differant, that even though I sleep with men for money, its not the same as someone who is on the street. Well, the reality is that I am not & what I do to make money is the same as what SW's do. No offense to SW's was intended.

I think sometimes I get so caught up in my point of view that I loose my objectivity when it comes to the facts regarding what I do.

In response to the quote:

As much as I was really offended by your previous posts, this one actually made me stop & think about it from a differant point of view.

I aknowledge that the ones who came before me paved the way to where I am able to work legally indoors. I am greatful for that.

There is a lot of violence that happens to women in this profession & sadly it is usually the SW's that get the most of it. I guess that's why I don't understand why they would put themselves at higher risk.

As for the child prostitutes, it hurts me to think of what they go through. Unlike myself, they are forced into the sex trade, have no rights & work in conditions that are unimaginable. I will never truly know as I have not experienced it.

Would I be able to look into their eyes & say or think that I am better than them?. No, I wouldn't.

Would I be able to say to the parents who lost a child in the industry that I was better than their child?. No, I guess not.

That's all I'm going to say on this matter .

Is it so hard to comprehend that a street worker is your peer?

British Columbia has a history or whoring like no other in Canada . Smart street hookers who were sick and tired of plying their trade in public and giving their money to pimps and getting arrested were forced to operate inside. This is when hookers became invisible.
Neighborhoods were happy no more visible prostitution cops decided city hall decide law maker decided this was better turn a blind eye.

These women made it possible for you to rent a room and turn tricks basically legally.

You walk a tight rope with your safety when you believe you better that a street whore. Like all trades you have to start at the beginning in order to know where your going . In order to know your market you must know what your dealing with. Refusing to see says to me you will won't last but this is no concern to me . How can you believe your safe when you have all the answers?

The ladies on the street who experience bad dates make it so you don't die. Their blood spilled saved your life today. They take the beating that was meant for you .

High end escorts die just like street die . Escorts are strangled and beaten just like street girls.

Men who make the choice to to inflict violence on street girls also inflict violence on Escorts .

When a hookers dies that's what they call her a hooker where she worked or how much she charged makes no difference in the end.

The fact is is Thailand , China, India, Pakistan, United States Canada women are forced by law and violence and poverty to do exactly what your doing.
Could you look in the eyes of a child prostitute and tell her your better than her?

Could you would you tell the parents of of a murdered prostitute your better than their daughter /son because you work in a nice apartment only six blocks from the dumpster they found their daughters body in?

Truth is not something packaged nicely and it is not something you will ever hear from your clients. They live in a fantasy they rely on you to perpetuate it for them. It is those who came before you , the ones that died and those still alive who will be the ones who will in the end save you.

Instead of thinking your better maybe its wise to think about the consequences of what you think you stand for. If you truly are a better hooker because of your ethics prove it .

 

[hargow]

You're right, we should be naming names. I had a client who asked me numerous times for BBFS, and he even tried to slip the condom off a couple of times. In fact he tried to force his way in when BB. It was Hargow!

Now do you care about witchhunts? They are dangerous. It all comes down to heresay. Anyone here could post anyone else's name, then sit back and watch the fireworks. How would you like to be the SP who suffers financially because of a false accusation? How about being the client who can't get an appt with any of the ladies here, again because of a lie?

point taken. however, please consider the following:

the motivation for a paying advertiser to falsely out a pooner seems low, so it's a risk i'm willing to take. if you think about it, you ladies are the ones who would benefit from this aspect of it, not us.

frankly, if a pooner was accused falsely, he could just contact the girl through her email or phone number, and she wouldn't know it was him. it's not everyone has to say who they are.

while some are talking about witchhunts, others are talking about lists, which some could interpret at as witchhunts. it's all in the perception of it. look at it this way. let's say you and i were personal friends. we've known each other since kindergarden, and are very close. i know that you do this for a living. i also know that a dangerous guy is coming to see you. don't you think it would be nice if i told you?

i realize that this is a very difficult situation, but i guess all i'm saying is that it's in everyone's best interest to know if there are dangerous people practicing dangerous activities. it might be hard to see the big picture, but i'm sure you'd agree that a small inconvenience (such as not being able to have access to SPs or a temporary minimal decline in business) is nothing compared to being put in a potentially life-threatening situation.

however, once again, i'm pretty certain i'm not the one in danger of having some idiot sneakily peeling my condom off during FS. you are. so since listing on here may have it's down sides, i'd love to hear your alternate solution.

 

[shak]

let's hope they come together and produce a board with strong ethics not having to falsely name clients for offences out of spite.

or something like a blog right?

 

[afterplay]

or something like a blog right?

It's like wikipedia, for pooners. You all heard the stories of ... the "biography" of some politician and how there was a bit of a kerfuffle over possible untruths and slanderous content. We can't even get it right for political stuff that nominally happens out in public. As much as I'd love to be proven wrong, I can't see how we'd get it right for something like this where it's all behind closed doors and he-said, she-said. Or his-clique said, her-clique said...

 

[shedevil]

That list can serve more purposes than that

I think an SP list of those who provide bbfs is an extremely misguided idea.

Basically unless you engage in this activity why would you need the list? If you don't engage in bbfs, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

And if for some reason I did fancy this activity I sure as hell would be inclinded to find someone I was compatable with, trusted, and was tested regularly, and I'd stick with her.

What about constant no shows? Vile people? Rude people? Violent people? This matters too.
I see your point about BBFS. I get it. There is always the ''if'' factor. If something happened, you should know. We are talking about a safe net that Sp's can use and make their own decisions. It doesn't necessarily have to be about BBFS. Just general concerns for lades when seeing a client.

We already pick and choose. We already share info we just want to make it accessible to all ladies. Not accessible to you. This would have to be paid advertiser thing, because the management can see that:

a) You are a lady
b) Have it protected so that all cannot see. You men bad or not deserve your privacy, right?

Ladies already post shit here about other men. Would you feel comfortable if you were mentioned in front of the bunch?

This is why it should be private, you would never know if you are on it. That is kind of the point, right?

 

[lipsmacker]

Audrey

Audrey,

I am hugging you right now.

It is obvious to everyone your beautiful on the outside but now it's obvious how beautiful you are on the inside as well.

Avarice ,
I don't know you but I admire you. I salute you .

To Creole Lady Marmalade

Your need to be understood rather than to understand makes people get the wrong impression about you. It is unfortunate that a strong woman behaving strongly is still considered unattractive to men and frightening to women.

This why some people attempt to put you down. I know that their words are not what fuels you to fight back it's your need to be right.

Understand its a weakness to fight against truth. Don't show your enemies your weakness allow them to be right or think their right. This is a challenge for a strong woman . Remember never interrupt your enemies when their making a mistake.

 

[shedevil]

Hunny you are off on some weird tangent. What the hell are you talking about? My comments were on the wisdom of having a list of woman who provided bbfs. As to reliability and a host of other issues, that's what this board is about..

No, not a tangent. I am concerned. This thread is 10 pages long. I have not posted until today. I could see you saying that if I had been every other reply throughout... 15 posts and 8 of them here... Who's talking?
I have made my point,(like many others) but if you don't agree, that's fine. I am not asking you to. I just responded to your post with my opinion.


I know what this board is about. Thanks for letting me know. LOL


I respectfully agree to disagree. Have a good day

It's in the works, already.

Did you catch this one too?

 

[stryker]

Wow!!!

 

[Maury Beniowski]

"You're" on to something, Maury. I thought the same thing too.

Then again, look at my post...

He posts sound vaguely familiar...

Oh well, if u caint laff at yer'self, whoo can u laff at?

 

[Avery]

I am against the idea of posting the names of SPs who allegedly provide BBFS. IMO, such matters are best handled via PM's. Posting of names has happened before on other boards, and the result is nearly always the same. I believe it is now TERB's policy to delete threads in which it is alleged that a particular SP is providing BBFS (or has an STI).

There are several problems with this type of post:

1. Because everyone is anonymous, at least to a certain extent, it is impossible to verify impartially the claims made in posts. Many of these posts are ultimately found to have been made by other SP's (or friends posing as clients) trying to damage someone else's business, or by a disgruntled client.

2. These claims cause many regular clients of the accused SP to stay away from her, at least until the dust settles. It never does completely.

3. Other SP's decide they don't want to see clients they know to also be regular clients of the accused SP.

4. A lot of guys, probably mostly lurkers and definitely risk-takers, contact the accused SP looking for BBFS. If the claims are false, her life is thrown into turmoil from all the unwanted attention from would-be clients she doesn't want to see, and she might even decide to leave the business. If the claims are true, her business may actually increase. Ironically, that's precisely the opposite effect of what the thread starter intended.

There have been many PM's exchanged on this subject. Information shared privately between posters with a history and who trust each other is almost always more reliable than that posted publicly. IMO, that's the way this situation should be handled in the first place. That said, I don't always trust such information that is passed on via PMs. A Winnipeg member recently PM'd me a list of 10 local SPs he alleged were providing BBFS. I absolutely don't believe seven of them, and I'm skeptical about two others. I only believe one, primarily because I heard the same story privately from two other PERBites, although it absolutely floored me. (Don't ask for her name; I have no proof myself).

Over the past ten years or so, I have been openly offered BBFS 3 times by local SP's, the last time being about four years ago. Two of them said I was one of their favourite clients, and they wanted to give me "a treat". I was much more concerned they'd give me something else, so I turned them down politely every time. None of them are around here anymore, as far as I know. On one other occasion an SP got a little carried away, and I had to remind her to get a cover for FS. See, I can think with the big head when it really matters.

There's one very well-known Winnipeg indy SP (still very active) who was rumoured to be providing BBFS when she worked at an incall. However, I have no first-hand knowledge of that. I saw her once at the incall and once as an indy about eight years ago, and she didn't offer me BBFS. I haven't seen her since, but for unrelated reasons.

BBBJ is a totally different matter, however, and not in the same risk category as BBFS. Many SPs provide BBBJ openly, others not so openly. Also, most serious pooners (my guess is at least 80%) make a very clear distinction between BBBJ and BBFS. They will nearly always accept BBBJ, but will never participate in BBFS with an escort.

 

[therealrex]

I have to say I generally stay with one sp once I find one I like and over the last 10 years or so I've had 6 different sp's in Winnipeg offer me bbfs once they got to know me. Once I was seeing 2 girls at the same mp and they didn't know I was seeing the other one and they both offered me bbfs in the same week. I've only taken the offer once and the next time I saw her I told her I was too uncomfortable with it and she got really angry at me. A couple of months later she got pregnant and quit the business so I don't know what was going on there.

 

[Dakota Wood]

point taken. however, please consider the following:

the motivation for a paying advertiser to falsely out a pooner seems low, so it's a risk i'm willing to take. if you think about it, you ladies are the ones who would benefit from this aspect of it, not us.

frankly, if a pooner was accused falsely, he could just contact the girl through her email or phone number, and she wouldn't know it was him. it's not everyone has to say who they are.

while some are talking about witchhunts, others are talking about lists, which some could interpret at as witchhunts. it's all in the perception of it. look at it this way. let's say you and i were personal friends. we've known each other since kindergarden, and are very close. i know that you do this for a living. i also know that a dangerous guy is coming to see you. don't you think it would be nice if i told you?

i realize that this is a very difficult situation, but i guess all i'm saying is that it's in everyone's best interest to know if there are dangerous people practicing dangerous activities. it might be hard to see the big picture, but i'm sure you'd agree that a small inconvenience (such as not being able to have access to SPs or a temporary minimal decline in business) is nothing compared to being put in a potentially life-threatening situation.

however, once again, i'm pretty certain i'm not the one in danger of having some idiot sneakily peeling my condom off during FS. you are. so since listing on here may have it's down sides, i'd love to hear your alternate solution.

What if I didn't post that crap about you as a paying advertiser? What if I posted it under the handle 'supersexySP' for example? I could dismiss any lack of credibility I have as Supersexy by claiming I am well known on the board, but I fear retaliation from the 'accused'.

I wouldn't have a problem with a list, provided that the people who are on it put themselves on the list, that does away with the whole heresay issue.

I am crystal clear on the big picture. People are hiding behind keyboards here. They can say whatever they want, about whoever they want, under any handle they want, with little to no fear of retribution, other then being banned. Big deal, the damage would already be done by whatever they posted...unless the mods deleted it a nanosecond after it went up. What are the chances of that happening?

As an aside, crossing the street is a potentially life threatening situation. It's all in your approach. Do you step off the curb, in the middle of the block, blissfully unaware of the cars driving by? Or do you go to the lights at the corner, wait for the walk signal, yet still keep your head up and look around?

The alternative-

Ladies-be aware, stay alert, check on occasion. Don't even consider seeing a guy who asks for BBFS.

Guys- be aware, stay alert, check on occasion. If BBFS is offered, politely decline and don't book with her again.

Play safe, have fun!