BBFS Discussion: Why does PERB not allow talk of it
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Perfectly said! Lots of behind the scenes trash talk here on perb... not all obviously, but some...
I don't see how you imply that from what I wrote. I made it clear I don't believe every negative review or unconfirmable accusation. I'm not on the side of the rumour mongers, and I certainly have never been one.
What I said was the only legit thing about mentioning BBFS on the board would be to avoid it. The Mods can shut down whatever talk of it they want, for the greater good. Is there some other way to interpret what I said, or is there some other way you read it that suggests something else?
I agree, trust is not useful to cling to for a situation with people who are strangers to each other, and have to judge relative degrees of risk and take precautions.
SP's have the right to work in safety, so I don't ever mind if they're doing their security calls, etc., and I accept that BBFS is a restriction, always. Respectable clients want nothing to do with it, and they won't make that request. Responsible SP's won't allow it, and should never be put in a position where they feel they have to. Their safety is ultimately our safety too - an equation, an understanding between consenting adults, that goes both ways.
Is it that you didn't like that I want to avoid any BBFS givers ?
I'd rather avoid sketchy operations that seem to not give a fuck about the SP's safety or mine. Nobody is doing SP's any favours if the marketing of high-risk BBFS becomes commonplace, and competition drives reputable ladies to put aside their safety rules just to compete with those whose safety is routinely compromised. Why would any respectable client want to condone that ? It's common sense to avoid rewarding those operators that are going to drag down the standard of safety for all the ladies in town. IMHO, that risk situation for SP's (and clients) won't get better until in the whole scene it's understood that the loss of business associated with BBFS is bigger than the financial reward for offering it. And how does that happen, unless people can know who to avoid? After all, SP's on PERB share info on dangerous clients, because it is their right to avoid putting themselves in danger.
So I don't see how this is not the same principle.
Maybe we have just different predictions about whether allowing BBFS warnings are more likely to be useful or more likely to be just falsehoods spread by disgruntled clients or rivals - but I guess that judgement is up to the Mods.
My point was basically: "If the Mods want to stop any promotion of BBFS on PERB, I understand & support that."
I never have, and never will,
but think about it,
im old, the only women I have sex with is my sp, she, is more or less retired, a few hangers on, like me, but for all intense and purposes she is retired,
so an old guy single, not having sex with any one, but a hooker,
all ready picking out his coffin what the fuck does he care,
I know its a stupid argument,
but it matters more to some people then others,
or to someone who only lives so he can see his next hooker, nothing else in life worth living for.
sad but there are a few people like that,
and the stupid amongst, us, it will never happen to me.
but think about it,
im old, the only women I have sex with is my sp, she, is more or less retired, a few hangers on, like me, but for all intense and purposes she is retired,
so an old guy single, not having sex with any one, but a hooker,
all ready picking out his coffin what the fuck does he care,
I know its a stupid argument,
but it matters more to some people then others,
or to someone who only lives so he can see his next hooker, nothing else in life worth living for.
sad but there are a few people like that,
and the stupid amongst, us, it will never happen to me.
I have seen in the past that this topic, being a sensitive one, with possible life changing implications, can be used as a weapon to destroy.
Get off your high horse. We should feel privileged and lucky that the good quality SP's share themselves with us...are you kidding me? They are getting paid, there is no privilege. If they didn't want to service a client it's their right to refuse but make no mistake, they are doing it for the money.
Guys like you put SP's on a pedestal as if they are some magical unicorn. They are simply offering a service, albeit an intimate one, to make a living. Your comment is like someone saying "Service Providers should feel privileged that clients are willing to pay to see them." Sounds ludicrous doesn't it?
And to say "... if you pay $180 dollars at 3am, shut up! You deserve what you get." What the hell does that mean? That $180 is cheap and you deserve to get shitty service? Or because it's 3am that you deserve to be treated shitty? Your logic or lack thereof eludes me. That's insulting to SP's that offer services for $180 or that offer services at 3am. So which group did you meant to offend?
Back on topic, I'm against censorship. Anyone partaking in BBFS needs their head examined or is already diseased and doesn't care. I don't subscribe to the belief that it's a public health risk like open sewers. Open sewers lead to diseases being spread to everyone that lived in the city or area (rats, etc.). BBFS is of risk to those who partake. Those who are in monogamous relationships or who use protection are not at great risk. (Keyword is great...there is always risk)
As far as BBFS claims being used to damage a SP's reputation, that already happens in other ways. It's usually easy to spot when you've been on the boards for awhile as you get a feel for who is reputable and who seems to always have an axe to grind. Just like White Knights are easy to spot.
I have great respect for Service Providers, it's a tough job that I wouldn't want to do, but it's a paid service that they are free to charge whatever they desire to do that job.
So that was YOU peeking through the side widow?
You should have tapped in- my jaw was getting sore!
But they are magical unicorns. If not, every quality woman would become a SP, after all, you claim it is a service just like any other (and then you add "albeit, an intimate one" as if that part is just simply very insignificant). But that is not the case, is it? Not many quality women (in mind and body) are up for the challenge, to be intimate with every Tom, Dick and Harry, and frankly, perhaps they would not give them the time of day otherwise, if no monetary gain. That is the very distinction that makes them unicorns: they are doing it for the money, yes, but not everyone would.
This has been an interesting week for perb.
Much polarisation and generalisations.
Many twisting other's words to fit their own agenda or platform.
The people I exchanged messages with for over ten years are all losers hiding behind keyboards?
I disagree with that.
There was and is a bunch of decent lads here even if you haven't met them.
Sad to see so much anger towards customers.
Apparently I have been naive and stupid.
I admit to being old fat and bald.
Maybe I was foolish to think anyone could possibly enjoy my company.
Off to rethink my life now.
Much polarisation and generalisations.
Many twisting other's words to fit their own agenda or platform.
The people I exchanged messages with for over ten years are all losers hiding behind keyboards?
I disagree with that.
There was and is a bunch of decent lads here even if you haven't met them.
Sad to see so much anger towards customers.
Apparently I have been naive and stupid.
I admit to being old fat and bald.
Maybe I was foolish to think anyone could possibly enjoy my company.
Off to rethink my life now.
Not every person is hiding behind a key board, there are a few that do, and that is what I felt was something people don't address. Most guys are kind hearted people who prefer discretion. It does not make them bad people. The folks hiding behind the keyboards and gossiping on heresay are the only people that I felt that comment applied to... It has nothing to do with looks age class gender or ethnicity.. and a lot can be said by pm that could be very damaging whether it is true or not, there are 2 people who may or may not know each other in real life, who's to say who is on the other end of the email.
It is true that not all women are cut out for this craft if you will, I have many friends who have approached me to ask me questions about the lifestyle and the personal sacrifice it takes to make it in this business. It is a nice and fun life, yes, there are definitely challenges, and looks have little to do with it. Some women would buckle, cry, throw up or call the cops if they had to deal with some of what most of the longer standing sp's and probably some of you newer ladies have had to deal with... But no we deal with things with grace for the most part, because we are empathic and we do care... Not because we just want your money! We put our lives at risk every day...
It is true that not all women are cut out for this craft if you will, I have many friends who have approached me to ask me questions about the lifestyle and the personal sacrifice it takes to make it in this business. It is a nice and fun life, yes, there are definitely challenges, and looks have little to do with it. Some women would buckle, cry, throw up or call the cops if they had to deal with some of what most of the longer standing sp's and probably some of you newer ladies have had to deal with... But no we deal with things with grace for the most part, because we are empathic and we do care... Not because we just want your money! We put our lives at risk every day...
This thread has run its course I think, and I hope served it's purpose. Please flag any post you see about providers offering BBFS and we will keep removing them as moderators. thanks. Last call for opinions expressed respectfully, closing this down in 24 hours or so.
I do think it's an important topic
to discuss as a lot of people don't
quite understand the risks involved.
The same goes with BBBJ. The STI
risk is very high. It's seems odd to be
able to discuss one but not the other
as they are both unsafe and unhealthy.
To be completely brutally honest.
Most guys like to kiss. Do you really
want to kiss a girl that performed
a BBBJ on a guy an hour before.
Or worse. DATY on lady who had
a BBFS with another guy an hour before.
I certainly hope not cause that's
just gross IMHO.
to discuss as a lot of people don't
quite understand the risks involved.
The same goes with BBBJ. The STI
risk is very high. It's seems odd to be
able to discuss one but not the other
as they are both unsafe and unhealthy.
To be completely brutally honest.
Most guys like to kiss. Do you really
want to kiss a girl that performed
a BBBJ on a guy an hour before.
Or worse. DATY on lady who had
a BBFS with another guy an hour before.
I certainly hope not cause that's
just gross IMHO.
Hahaha Yes he does.
Well unsafe meaning STI or STD could be passed on with fluid exchange.
Unhealthy meaning living with Aids, Gonorrhea, Herpes and other types
STI's isn't all that good for you.One will outright kill you eventually.
I posted this comment on a Victoria thread, but it's also relevant here:
"I feel safer getting a BBBJ from an SP than from a random girl I meet at a bar or nightclub. Escorts usually ensure they don't pass anything to their clients and risk losing them as repeat customers. Also, the agencies in Victoria have regular testing for their girls. It all comes down to common sense when accepting this service from an SP - if I notice something I don't like, such as a sore, I will not accept uncovered oral, but never had cause to turn it down in two and a half years visiting escorts. It's also the same for the lady offering the service; she won't do it if she feels it won't be safe - that's where YMMV comes in.
"A BJ is an essential part of a session for me, but it doesn't have to be bareback, which is why I don't pay extra for it (if it's offered 'on the house', great; if it's not, also great, especially if the lady knows what she's doing). I have never had a BBBJ outside of a relationship, except with a provider, and I've never contracted an STD in my life. I also hardly engage in DFK and I'm not into DATY.
One Dr. Hunter Handsfield of Seattle, WA, a specialist in infectious diseases, seems to think that uncovered oral is fairly safe. His response to a question is a little further down the page. A click on his name will reveal his credentials":
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/oral-sex-question/show/2159728
And to add: I would never accept BBFS from a provider, even if I've seen her 30 times before she offered it to me. That's just ridiculous.
I understand what you are saying Unfortunately common sense is almost
a thing of the past. Some women test regularly where others do not.
Just like a lot of guys never get tested.
You have no way of knowing unless you outright ask for last set of tests.
Like I'm not trying to be a dick or anything. What people do is their business.
Where the problem lies often either guy or girl goes into date knowing their
infected with something expecting BBBJ or worse BBFS.
The other party willingly agrees than they pass it on to next client or
provider putting a lot of people at risk.
It's just the way it is.
Don't have to go far on Google or visit any clinic, Dr office to find out
STI or STD through unprotected oral or full services.
To give you a little bit of perspective, I'm sure an SP could chime in
on a date where guy turned out the lights cause he didn't want her
to see his genitak warts. Or vica versa if a lady turns out the lights
she is hiding something. I learned this from my ATF and was floored.
Meaning she told me about these scenerios.
Never would I do a BB anything with an Escort or girl from a bar.
Sex while outstanding and satisfying is not worth the grief of an
STI or worse.
As we have now reached the point where posters are bragging about how many ladies they have gotten BBFS from, it's time to close it up.
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