bb fs wtf is happening out there ffs

[island-guy]

My thought is (and I'm quite possibly wrong) that, in the back of their minds, they see it as unfair competition when an SP provides what are considered to be blatantly unsafe services (which I think they would be crazy to copy). As they are not willing (and should not) compete with these ladies on a service by service basis, they are limited to publicly exposing them as unsafe, and thus undesirable, SPs and applying what pressure they can to these ladies clients to dissuade others from visiting these rogue SPs.

That's what happens when the subject of BBBJ comes up, every single time and your thought is pretty much bang on correct for BBBJ.

For BBFS.. probably a factor but not the only factor like for BBBJ.

 

[uncleg]

Wow.

I am sitting here with my jaw hitting the floor, because it never occurred to me, not even in the ever so tiniest, that my motivations could be construed as having anything to do with anything other than the my health and the health of my clients. You actually would turn this concern for health into an issue about greed and competition? This really offended me. The only part of your theory that is right is we do indeed wish for these ladies to discontinue these practices, not for the sake of competition but for the fact that we likely have shared clients and this makes us want to throw up.

I'm actually flabbergasted that someone could think that being married and having uncovered sex in a marriage is just as risky as being someone having bbfs with sex workers (how many?) who have bbfs with hundreds of other clients (who also possibly have bbfs with other sps) a year.

The fact is, of course we know many of our clients have uncovered sex with their spouses. Maybe we can assume that both spouses also have clandestine romances uncovered with one or two people a year. The risk to which they expose themselves is so very much smaller when compared to someone who is out seeking bareback sex from a sex worker. How anyone could even see these as close is beyond me.

You said we 'express no concern' about the fact our clients do actually have uncovered sex, but you are actually wrong.. we express our concern in many ways. We use condoms. We get tested often. We limit things like bare genital/genital touching. We do our best to weigh the risks and have the safest encounter possible without taking all the fun out of it.

Of course we can't know what a clients sexual history is like, but when he openly asks for bbfs it opens the can of worms that tells us he IS OUT SEEKING BBFS, AND HAS PROBABLY HAD IT WITH OTHER SPS... and if an SP is willing to risk her livelihood (and life) to engage in BBFS, it makes one wonder just what she also finds is acceptable risk.. sharing needles perhaps? Would a provider of this caliber ever care about getting regular sti screening?

When you've got someone blatantly admitting to being extremely risky, don't you think you'd rather throw up in his face than be intimate with him? This is exactly what I felt like when in the middle of a session I had a client tell me that 3 providers in Edmonton were happy to give him bbfs.

It was my first experience with this knowledge.. I cried for the rest of the night on a friends shoulder because it shook me so much.

Just remember it only takes one. So you assume that somebody in a marriage may have a fling with one or two people a year, why do you assume that the risk they expose themselves to is so very much smaller? Consider that that one, may be the client who is seeking bareback sex from an SP. What is it they say, when you have sex with somebody, you have sex with everybody they had sex with. Just a thought.

 

[old pooner]

I have had an exclusive SP/client relationship with 1 girl for the last 2-3 years. We know each other VERY well. I still would never even consider asking her for BBFS.

 

[cortezz]

That is the worst analogy I've ever seen! O_O What does a guy driving around in a car with a cellphone have to do with bareback sex?

A better example (involving cars) would be this...

You meet this guy and he asks you to play Chicken. Say you agree, because you like the thrill of it. Now, this guy suggests that the two of you should remove the airbags, because it amps up the rush. It may give him a thrill, but it is extremely dangerous even if he tries to convince you that you'll both stop before getting into an accident!

The guy may look like he has never gotten into an accident in his life and me may always play without his airbags, but does that mean you want to take the risk?

In the end, if you two are going full speed towards a brick wall, even if his intention is to stop or pull away before hitting it, if something goes wrong then those airbags aren't there to help you anymore.

So, same goes for safe sex.

A guy comes up to an SP and says, "hey! I'd like to meet you. However, I don't like using condoms. Don't worry, though! I'll pull out!"

Yeah...not to mention the STDs you can get just from making contact, it gets even worse if he can't pull out in time and the condom isn't there to stop him.

Just saying...

So much for being lost for words (not joking). You and SNL continue to delude yourself in your own specious and self-satisfied ways. Kudos to uncleg and PeaceGuy for demonstrating the hypocrisy of being mortified by BBFS while at the same time engaging in sexual relations with multiple men and having no idea whatsoever about their sexual practices. But than again, that might cut into their cashflow. Russian roulette with two bullets in the chamber is disgusting and reprehensible, but one bullet in the chamber along with $200+ for the hour, now we can talk business.

 

[sonoman]

Russian roulette with two bullets in the chamber is disgusting and reprehensible, but one bullet in the chamber along with $200+ for the hour, now we can talk business.

...says the man on an escort review board...

BTW, it's your argument that's specious.

 

[cortezz]

...says the man on an escort review board...

Yes, but at least I am not a hypocrite on an escort review board like you and these two lovely ladies who provide BB oral. BTW, why is it 2 percent of the ladies on this board make 98 percent of the noise, while the rest just go about their business?

 

[TheSpecialist]

So much for being lost for words (not joking). You and SNL continue to delude yourself in your own specious and self-satisfied ways. Kudos to uncleg and PeaceGuy for demonstrating the hypocrisy of being mortified by BBFS while at the same time engaging in sexual relations with multiple men and having no idea whatsoever about their sexual practices. But than again, that might cut into their cashflow. Russian roulette with two bullets in the chamber is disgusting and reprehensible, but one bullet in the chamber along with $200+ for the hour, now we can talk business.

What's even more laughable is this is the same girl who now sits on her soap box preaching about how risky bbfs is only to have done it (and publicly admitted to doing so) sometime last year or late 2008, with a sugardaddy. Why? Just because he said he was clean. I love the hypocrisy of everyone on here. Bottom line - wear a cover if you think that'll save you.

 

[Unpossible]

BTW, why is it 2 percent of the ladies on this board make 98 percent of the noise, while the rest just go about their business?

Because most statistics are made up out of thin air.

 

[Pillowtalk]

I think SNL and kh are right in making assumptions about the motives of someone who requests or assumes bbfs is ok.

Intentional (or deliberate or wilful) transmission, is considered the most serious form of criminal transmission. Some cases have involved individuals (both HIV positive and HIV negative) who have used needles or other implements to intentionally infect others with HIV. Others have been based on HIV positive people who have had sex with the primary intent of transmitting the virus to their partner.

Mostly that this is an individual whose sole desire is to cause harm, like these guys:

Christophe Morat, June 20048: Morat was sentenced to six years in a French prison under legislation designed to be used in cases of poisoning (France has no specific anti-HIV transmission laws). He was found guilty of failing to disclose his status to two women, Isabelle and Aurore, both of whom subsequently became infected with HIV.

Hans-Otto Schiemann, November 20049: A 56-year-old German who lived in Thailand, Schiemann allegedly tried to infect nearly 100 Thai women (including his wife) during the 10 years he lived in the country. As Thailand deliberately has no laws that outlaw unprotected sex or its consequences, he was eventually sentenced to two months in jail for overstaying his visa, and was deported back to Germany. Schiemann was reported to have a pathological hatred of Thai women, and referred to them as 'witches' and 'monkeys', but claimed he had done nothing wrong. He was deported for a second time in November 2005 after he was found to have re-entered the country.

Anthony E. Whitfield, December 200410: An African-American from Lacey in the USA, Whitfield was sentenced to an unprecedented 178 years in prison by a court in the state of Washington after exposing 17 women to HIV and infecting his wife and four others. He was found guilty on 17 counts of first-degree assault with sexual motivation, two counts of witness tampering and three counts of violating a court protection order. Whitfield is one of around 150 people to have been convicted of criminal HIV transmission in the US.

Giovanni Mola: sentenced to nine years in jail in April 2007 for 'recklessly infecting his Edinburgh lover with HIV and Hepatitis C'.

Sarah Jane Porter; June 200616: Sarah Jane Porter was a woman from London in the UK who was charged with Grievous Bodily Harm through the reckless transmission of HIV.

December 2009.23 In New Zealand, a 35-year-old man living with HIV admitted to deliberately infecting his wife the virus. The man had pricked his wife, while she slept, with a sewing needle tainted with his blood. It is believed the man infected her so she would have sex with him again. For a year, the woman had refused to have sex, for fear of becoming infected. She had tested HIV-negative four times before her period of abstinence.

 

[sonoman]

Yes, but at least I am not a hypocrite on an escort review board like you

You're an idiot.

 

[cortezz]

What's even more laughable is this is the same girl who now sits on her soap box preaching about how risky bbfs is only to have done it (and publicly admitted to doing so) sometime last year or late 2008, with a sugardaddy. Why? Just because he said he was clean. I love the hypocrisy of everyone on here. Bottom line - wear a cover if you think that'll save you.

Well said and good advice at the end. Nice to see someone who can actually see through the smoke and mirrors. As for Mr. Sonoman, continue to practice whatever makes you feel good about yourself and have a great day.

 

[TheSpecialist]

I think SNL and kh are right in making assumptions about the motives of someone who requests or assumes bbfs is ok.

Mostly that this is an individual whose sole desire is to cause harm, like these guys:

Yep, that must be it. But so long as those motives are attached with big dollar bills at the end, it makes all those motives disappear! Just ask Kim!

So go ahead guys - run to her rescue like most good little sycophants are, but as far as I'm concerned Kim's opinion on this particular matter means about as much as dog shit. And I was being polite...

 

[sonoman]

As for Mr. Sonoman, continue to practice whatever makes you feel good about yourself and have a great day.

I don't 'practice' anything and have no idea what you're referring to; I didn't endorse, refute, or otherwise reference any of the ideas expressed by the SP's in this thread. I merely pointed out the speciousness of your own argument. Learn to read before making judgments. Goof.

 

[Thatotherguy]

I didn't start working in the escort industry until February 2009 and I haven't had anything even resembling a sugar daddy (if you could even call it that) since March 2009, hun. Nice try.

I'm not backing up TheSpecialist here, because I sure don't remember ever hearing about you ever offering bbfs, but Feb & Mar 2009 do fall into the somewhat vague range of dates he mentioned. He said "sometime last year or late 2008," and last time I checked 2009 was last year. Having said that, frankly, given the degree of controversy that tends to follow you around, I would expect that if there had been any indication of you offering bbfs, I probably would have heard about it all over the place, so I suspect that TheSpecialist might be mixing you up with somebody else.

 

[cortezz]

From what I've read from several sources, he removes the condom and rapes his victims. Yes, it is rape if you do not agree to going bb and they remove the condom and go against what you've consented to.

Than report him to the police. Are you telling me this one individual continually pulls the wool over your eyes? Come on ladies get it together. He's playing you like fools.

 

[Harmony-bc]

Cortezz, I'm assuming you don't know much about this guy. Many girls have reported him.

I reported him and nothing came from it. In fact, I was told that it was "all part of my job". He has blackmailed a few other ladies. There was one (or two?) other girl(s) who reported him earlier in the year. The Province was going to write an article on his attacks, but they had to drop the report because the girl(s) "mysteriously" dropped all charges.

He's one of the main reasons why I focus so much of my energy on safety for women in this industry. Some people assume I'm just doing it for my own agenda or something, but it is mainly because I'm disgusted by people like Bill Russell. I have personally been very hurt by this man and I'm scared because men like him are talked about all the time but somehow the word about them doesn't get out fast or far enough. As a result, they still gets victims to this day.

This is a man who many of us know without a doubt is capable of very serious offenses (he strangled and sexually assaulted a lady earlier this year), but somehow he keeps slipping through the cracks. However, believe me when I say that a lot of us ladies have a lot of anger directed towards this man and what he has done over the past 6-7 years. Don't think we haven't been trying to get him behind bars.

Not to mention he always offers lots of money and targets new to the business.

When I left my last massage parlor, within a few days of putting an ad up on craigslist, he contacted me. I have worked all across the country, and some places in the United States, mostly for other people, but I am definitely not new to the biz. I'm not particularly interested in difficult role play scenarios, car dates, being paid after, and I'm suspicious of large money offered off craigslist, etc. His m.o. is always changing. Some girls go to his house, others go in his car. I think it all involves some kind of role play though, and I think it is always outcall. I do do outcalls, but I make sure I feel comfortable going before I go. There was something off, so I didn't go. I have pretty good radar for this kind of person, but that is only after being messed over a few times, myself. I do know his email was very charming, and he sounded really nice. I do know several girls that have been fucked over by him. New girls don't have the you can't trust anybody mentality yet, so they are easier prey.

Look at Ted Bundy for example. Nice looking all around American serial killer. Girls thought he was handsome, he was popular, had no problem getting girlfriends, etc. yet he got off on killing and other horrible stuff. Most serial rapists, serial killers, pedophiles, etc, are very good at luring their victims. They don't all come up behind you and bash you over the head and drag you away.

 

[LittleAsianGuy]

The guy sounds like a idiot...one of these days he's goin to piss off the wrong person and someone will put a bat to his head.

I reported him and nothing came from it. In fact, I was told that it was "all part of my job". He has blackmailed a few other ladies. There was one (or two?) other girl(s) who reported him earlier in the year. The Province was going to write an article on his attacks, but they had to drop the report because the girl(s) "mysteriously" dropped all charges.

 

[Puddlegurl]

Yes, I can't believe it hasn't happened yet, sadly I think if it was happening to the public (out of the SP world) he would have been "taken care of " by now.

The guy sounds like a idiot...one of these days he's goin to piss off the wrong person and someone will put a bat to his head.

 

[island-guy]

There's an interesting double-standard on this issue, consider the following

Which one of these two things is the bigger risk?

1) CFS with someone who is HIV positive (hey condoms break sometimes etc..)

2) BBFS with someone who is HIV negative

3) BBBJ with someone who is HIV negative

Now, look at all the threads devoted to discussing the risks of #2 and #3 but everyone just ignores the elephant in the room that is #1.

Think about how many times a month the average SP has sex with an HIV positive client.

Many escorts say that they would NEVER see anyone who even ASKS about BBBJ or BBFS, but how many insist on seeing test results for HIV?

I'm not saying that BBBJ and BBFS aren't really risky and a dumb idea, but what about the CFS or covered greek with someone who IS HIV positive?

Thoughts?

 

[Bad Santa]

Cortezz, I'm assuming you don't know much about this guy. Many girls have reported him.

I reported him and nothing came from it. In fact, I was told that it was "all part of my job". He has blackmailed a few other ladies. There was one (or two?) other girl(s) who reported him earlier in the year. The Province was going to write an article on his attacks, but they had to drop the report because the girl(s) "mysteriously" dropped all charges.

He's one of the main reasons why I focus so much of my energy on safety for women in this industry. Some people assume I'm just doing it for my own agenda or something, but it is mainly because I'm disgusted by people like Bill Russell. I have personally been very hurt by this man and I'm scared because men like him are talked about all the time but somehow the word about them doesn't get out fast or far enough. As a result, they still gets victims to this day.

This is a man who many of us know without a doubt is capable of very serious offenses (he strangled and sexually assaulted a lady earlier this year), but somehow he keeps slipping through the cracks. However, believe me when I say that a lot of us ladies have a lot of anger directed towards this man and what he has done over the past 6-7 years. Don't think we haven't been trying to get him behind bars.

I can't believe what I am reading in this thread.

This Bill Russell is apparently a serial rapist, has been reported by several girls to the police and nothing has been done about it??

And this in a city where the cops ignored a certain pig farmer for years. WTF???!!!