Bareback {no condom} sex article

[lenny]

""Some men no longer fear AIDS."[4] In other words, the advent and relatively noticeable success of protease inhibitors and other drugs for treating HIV infections have changed the perception of HIV infection from an untreatable terminal illness to a treatable chronic malady similar to diabetes or epilepsy.

"Some men are dispensing with condoms in the context of seroconcordant sex (sex between two men of the same HIV status). Early articulations of barebacking generally referred to sex between two HIV positive men. This poses no risk of infecting an HIV negative person newly with HIV. On this account, barebacking could be considered an early harm reduction strategy similar to serosorting, which was later endorsed by some public health authorities in the USA.[2]...

"In the sex trade, the willingness to bareback is a selling point for sex workers to their clients, despite the increased risks. The term "girlfriend experience" (GFE) was coined to denote an encounter between a prostitute and a client that could be considered "a real relationship for the moment with a sincere woman who apparently enjoys the experience, not just mechanical sex."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bareback_(sex)

 

[lenny]

Why would I want to risk "a treatable chronic malady similar to diabetes or epilepsy?"

An obvious example would be if someone has been told by their doctor they have days,
weeks or a few months to live.

BTW, as an aside, i was just reading this page about people who are "immune" or "resistant"
to the HIV viruses:

http://www.rawtop.com/blog/

Also, i've gone bareback many times in the sense that the condoms broke, slipped off,
i was in a monogamous relationship, or just forgot to put it on.

 

[lenny]

I was reading a discussion on BB sex last night which included these quotes in support of it
under certain circumstances:

"Who really wants to get old??? I am 47 and I would gladly make a deal to die at 60 Plus 1 day if I could live the rest of my life doing what ever the hell I wanted instead of my current future working till I drop dead away right around the age of maybe 70 LOL. MOST people about the age of 60 plus have nothing really to deal with But pain from aging joints and other health problems related to aging. Very few people get good health after 65 or so and even those people can't do anything close to what they could do at 25-30. Life is for the young"

"....Sure there are a few exceptions to every rule BUT more likely then not people over the age of 60 are dealing with medical issues and pain. Most are unable to live life anymore like they once did and IMO that's sad for everyone. I simply would rather die at 60 then deal with pain and health issues all damn day. If you read my post I said I would be willing to die at 60 didn't mean everyone should."

Comments?

Your posts are so often pro-bareback and condom-hating. This is almost normal for how most men feel--

Sure 3 hr bareback BJ's are often referred to in my comments. OTOH, re FS & condoms, a number of my posts have remarks about subjects like ways genital sex can feel just as good with or without a condom, or certain condoms that make one feel just as good as BBFS, etc. Look it up, if your memory fails you. But I doubt you can find more than one remark suggesting i participated willingly in BBFS outside of a monogamous relationship, and in that one i wasn't serious.

You, on the other hand, post about using iodine or peroxide to clean your dick after you go bareback.

For BBBJ's, sure, & pee after. Iodine? I don't recall ever using that after any kind of sex.

 

[lenharper]

wait till you hit 50+ and then consider whether you want to be dead at 60.

 

[lenny]

wait till you hit 50+ and then consider whether you want to be dead at 60.

I am beyond middle age, statisticly speaking, and while healthy {no major illnesses, to my knowledge}, it is definitely going downhill. I've had quite a few moments when i wondered if it was the end, especially in recent years. For anyone it could be kaput at anytime, but at this age the liklihood of that occurring is much higher.

So the question occurs to me, if one is going to start practicing BBFS on a regular basis, what ways
are best to go about this with SP's? Find one you like, with both of you getting tested for STD's, and stick with her only for genital sex encounters? Would female condoms feel just as good, and provide the same or better level of safety, while allowing for variety with as many different SP's as desired?

Considering the many times i've had a condom slip off or break with SP's, could i have been better off just having one SP for BBFS & she agreeing to do the same only with me?

 

[lenny]

OK, why would a SP agree to "the same only with me?" Are you paying so much more than any of her other clients? Are you so much more handsome or charming than any of her other clients?

Those are some possibilities. Another scenario is one in which she sees only that one client.
This would have some similarity to a sugardaddy/baby type of relationship.

Let's get real. A SP who agrees to do BBFS with you is most likely agreeing to do with BBFS with many or all of her other clients. That makes her substantially less safe than a SP who requires a condom with every client.

From what i've read on this subject others tend to agree with you. With that in mind,
a guy might want to do his investigative homework finding girls who always use a
condom and see if any would be open to an exclusive arrangement.

All of your arguments, no matter how you phrase them, are about how you would prefer to have sex without a condom.

At this point they are more like questions. And, yes, most men would prefer BB genital intercourse,
if there were no worries re pregnancy and STDS.

 

[lenny]

May I suggest get yourself a horny wife and just stick with her. Not all the money in the world would have me doing BBFS.
As for "getting old" Let me tell you (with the help of a little pill) I have very fit healthy clients I have seen that can keep going like the energizer bunny with out running out of breath or having sore joints. These are men well in there 70's and a few in there 80's.
You are only as old as you feel take care of your mind and body physically and mentally and you should age very gracefully. Hell I am not a spinner but I look pretty damn good for my years and feel good too.

Thank you for your feeback. These and AIB's comments are the type i am looking for,
{unlike the HHB one line shot ;}, and will take them under advisement, possibly with
my doctor.

 

[myselftheother]

Lenny. BBFS with anyone you don't know is nuts. STD's or whatever you call them can be sread without you having symptoms, as well as HIV. If you're out in Cambodia or Thailand having BBFS, which is insane and suicidal due to the rate of infection with sp's there....come on, Lenny, you ought to know you're playing with a timebomb. Either you're out of your mind to contemplate such a thing due to syphillis ( like Al Capone), or....just being silly, hoping for responses and comments to your thread.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Anybody who says they would trade a longer life for "doing whatever the hell he wants" has a barely functional brain stem. When people are about to die they try anything to live longer.
lenny, if you want to roll the dice go to Japan and volunteer to man a firehose at Fukushima.

 

[lenny]

lenny, if you want to roll the dice go to Japan and volunteer to man a firehose at Fukushima.

Hypothetical situation here, before my departure towards Japan early tomorrow AM, to squirt gun the nukes. Thereafter, you shall see me no more.

You are a guy who can't get it up with a condom on, but you can BB. Would you go without g/intercourse for the rest of your life, or find an SP to do it with? Bear in mind that for you relationships don't work, so having a GF for this purpose would only make you want to dive into oncoming traffic.

 

[lenny]

When people are about to die they try anything to live longer.

So if you have a fews days or months to live, you'ld waste it seeking a vampire in Translyvania,
rather than finding an SP to fuck BB 24/7 till the end?

 

[lenny]

Anybody who says they would trade a longer life for "doing whatever the hell he wants" has a barely functional brain stem.

A life in constant pain or without any joy is not living, it's hell. Better to be dead & RIP, eh?
BTW I see quite a few seniors in my area with their canes walking about a block an hour.
They don't look happy.

 

[lenny]

Lenny. BBFS with anyone you don't know is nuts.

Define "know". Do you know a person, SP or not, after 10 days with them? Would you know
a GF after 2 years, so not have BB sex with her before then? Is knowing her an issue of
clean STD tests, so you "know" a girl as soon as you see her STD test results? Or do you
know her once you see what her favorite flavour of ice cream is, and that is the moment
when it's ok to BB her? ;

Of course, BTW, there are cases of GF/SO's who've been together a considerable time
passing on all kinds of STD's to their partners, not to mention other forms of abuse and
violence. Are you sure you want to go that route?

STD's or whatever you call them can be sread without you having symptoms, as well as HIV. If you're out in Cambodia or Thailand having BBFS, which is insane and suicidal due to the rate of infection with sp's there...

Suicidal? Come on. HIV is not instant death, if it kills you at all, or shortens a lifespan by any measure. {What doesn't kill you makes you stronger ; } What is the chance of getting it from having BBFS, one in 500 million? You have a better chance of winning the million dollar lotto 649.

.come on, Lenny, you ought to know you're playing with a timebomb. Either you're out of your mind to contemplate such a thing due to syphillis ( like Al Capone), or....just being silly, hoping for responses and comments to your thread.

Actually life is a timebomb for us all, and the sand continually flows downward.
When a guy is 50, 60, 70, as the Merovingian said to Neo in the Matrix, "Your
time is almost up, boy". Those SP's in this thread who speak of those in what
seemed to them good sexual health at 70 & 80, i'd suggest, were likely only
speaking of a small minority. Do you want to gamble you are one of the few,
one of the 1, 2 or 3%? Would that be dumb? Do you want to live for today or
for the sweet bye & bye of religion's tomorrow, that may never cum, even if
you can get it up then ; How bright, or totally pathetic, would that be.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Sure life is a risk. Why increase the odds?

You are assuming a shorter life means less pain. You might be in worse pain, with a lesser quality of life and die younger. That's a Charlie Sheen win.

AIDS might not mean an instant death - neither does Diabetes but it a a royal bitch managing a long term illness.

There are a lot of other things you can catch BB than just AIDS and the annoyance, impact on life, pain, discomfort, time and trouble might be so bad many don't think it is worth going on. Easy to be brave or cavalier until you GET something.

Think about if everyone thought your way - the diseases transmitted would be enormous.

If you can't get it up merely because you are wearing a condom you have mental/emotional issues that are making you think irrationaly. If you really don't want to wear a condom get into a stable relationship.

 

[Unpossible]

 

[tyronejames]

Obviously lenny has a very high risk tolerance in his psyche. As opposed to someone like myself who won`t even think about an SP unless she has a mile long list of glowing reviews.

 

[lenny]

Sure life is a risk. Why increase the odds?

You are assuming a shorter life means less pain.

I absolutely know a "shorter life means less pain". If a kid dies at 10 he'll experience less pain
than if he lived to 100, eh? But that's not the issue here, since everyone experiences pain.

You might be in worse pain, with a lesser quality of life and die younger. That's a Charlie Sheen win.

There are many possibilities. As a sharp pro sports gambler, i'm interested in probabilities.

AIDS might not mean an instant death - neither does Diabetes but it a a royal bitch managing a long term illness.

Sure, but old age pains/torments are virtually a sure thing. Getting HIV etc is not.

There are a lot of other things you can catch BB than just AIDS and the annoyance, impact on life, pain, discomfort, time and trouble might be so bad many don't think it is worth going on. Easy to be brave or cavalier until you GET something.

Most of the STDS are nothing. One can always end it all, hopefully, if it gets unbearable, both with AIDS or old age pains/tortures.

Think about if everyone thought your way - the diseases transmitted would be enormous.

My way? A monogamous, STD tested relationship, or some other mentioned in this thread?
BTW, how many SP's do you visit who you've seen their recent STD test results?

If you can't get it up merely because you are wearing a condom you have mental/emotional issues that are making you think irrationaly. If you really don't want to wear a condom get into a stable relationship.

This evades an answer to the question of the hypothetical situation i detailed, besides speaking
of something that was clearly excluded in that.

 

[lenny]

Obviously lenny has a very high risk tolerance in his psyche.

Hey, come on, bro, i am asking Q's here, not trying to conform to the politicly correct view
in exchange for a free BJ ;

As opposed to someone like myself who won`t even think about an SP unless she has a mile long list of glowing reviews.

Nothing wrong with that, i suppose. But what does it have to with Mark Twain in Spain.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Flawed logic, at best re a ten-year old would have less pain. There are many people who live very healthy, pain free lives well into their 80's. My grandfather lived to 92 and was rarely sick and had few aches and pains. He looked 20 years younger. He got pneomonia and died within three weeks of contracting it and he lived a very adventurous life.

If you like probabllities then you know the more you risk the more you can lose. Casinos know the odds and they rarely lose. The gamblers keep them in business.

Ask the health nurse how "nothing" most STD's are?

I don't need to see an SP's health certificate. I don't poon much and when I do I never look for high mileage. I play the odds too and the less risk the lass chance on contracting something.

 

[tyronejames]

lenny you shit disturber you. . ... what the heck does Mark Twain in Spain mean? Really, I have no clue. . ....

So if you're just asking questions, you're leaving out some very important pieces of information. That article you mentioned is specifically talking about sex between men who already have similar levels of AIDS infection. You left out the most important part, the conclusions of that study:

CONCLUSION: Our findings suggest that at least three sets of factors predispose HIV-positive men to engage in unsafe anal sexual behaviors with their concordant partners: a decreased belief that infection with other pathogens or re-infection with HIV present health problems; less evaluation of sexual activities and behaviors; more hedonistic expectations of sex and higher levels of sexual compulsivity, as well as recreational drug use with and without sex.

So they either have high risk tolerance or they simply do not take the associated risk into consideration at all. I think this is the main issue that people have been finding so astounding, when it really comes down to it, when people know what's involved their risk tolerance is usually quite low.

The bareback sex wikipedia page you mentioned:

It should not, however, be implied that the GFE automatically includes barebacking; to do so may result in denial of commercial sex services.

The rawtop blog you mentioned:

What people typically call “immune” just means immune from most forms of HIV, not all – total immunity doesn’t exist.

If you can't trust a gf / wife how could you ever trust an sp to only do bb with you? Even if you yourself were totally immune to everything out there under the sun, still doesn't mean you possibly couldn't be a carrier. Bottom line is what one considers "stupid and dangerous" is directly related to ones risk tolerance. Personally I would consider it stupid and dangerous to partake of BBFS with a sp and thus you can rightly conclude that my risk tolerance is quite low.