Barbaric/Savage/Brutal/Disgusting

[myselftheother]

And because it accomplishes sooooooooo much, right? RAH RAH RAH

I agree with WC555, and others that see that this is just burying your head in the sand. So Miss Melody thinks it's ok for other cultures to rape, and brutalize and murder their children, even tho she feels somewhat disturbed by the described events, since it's a different culture then it's ok, acceptable to her sensibilities...??? How about those honour killings that happen here in BC on occasion with those from other cultures, where the daughter who even just looks at a boy that the family hadn't arranged her to be married to, causing shame and humiliation to be heaped upon the family, honour must be restored. How about those girls that they find that dad, her uncles or even her brother with mom's help is later found dead and burnt in a ditch in South Delta? (Sorry, that was the guy's wife)...Well, since that's being caused by people from another culture, then that's ok? We shouldn't judge, should we?

And, if we continue to use Miss Mel's track of reasoning....how about other cultural atrocities that we should look the other way on? How about aborting babies if it's going to be a girl? Or abandoning whole grouips of people to a caste system where they are considered to be 'Untouchable". Or how2 about some female circumcision? Those girls from other cultures don't need that pesky clitorous and labia? And it's ok, since it's another culture that we don't understand. Or how about Syria? Chemical weapons on it's own people...naw, that's ok too, since it's over there. Only 100k have died in the last 2 years, but that's fine. That happened to someone else...or starving children in Ethiopia, maybe we should never had sent food over there to help, since it's not our cultural group, so don't get involved...since it never accompishes anything. And that's just fine with you?

Ignorance is bliss, I guess. Let's just accept these gross acts as fine and dandy, since it's not our place as fellow human beings to express outrage and disgust at certain cultral beliefs, no matter how barbaric. Right?

 

[Cock Throppled]

I wouldn't go that far. Obviously Melody isn't advocating these things. Excusing them as cultural was not her finest hour.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Thank you for being at least partially right. So many others are way off. I can see why you'd think I was excusing them, but in my mind I wasn't. Is it appropriate to wear a party dress for my not so finest hour?

bend over that sawhorse and put on those handcuffs... i've got a different punishment in mind for YOU...

 

[Cock Throppled]

Okay, I don't speak idiot, so please show me any Western culture that condones, accepts and legalizes child rape.

 

[myselftheother]

Oh, you called me an idiot. That's a burn. You are really wanting me to go Mdme Bijoux on you, don't you? (I won't. She can chime in anytime she wants).

You realize this was way too easy to find, right? Like, do you even read or watch the news?

Anyway, in 2010, in the United States, prosecutors in North Carolina dropped rape and sexual battery charges against a high school football player because sexual contact with the alleged victim began consensually. In fact, in many states in the America, this is law. So if you initially agree to have sex and later change your mind for whatever reason, your partner can continue despite your protestations, and it won't be considered rape. Maryland has this law too. Surprisingly, this is actually progress because less than 5 years ago, anything after the initial "deflowering" of a woman couldn't be rape because "the damage was done" to her virginity and she could never be "reflowered."

In most states, there's a requirement of force in order to prove rape, rather than just demonstrating lack of consent. This is very problematic as rapists walk free. One .org site I found in the 10 seconds it took to type in 'America's rape problem" said only 35% of rape cases get reported, which has a lot to do with the shame put on the victims. This is a cultural thing. This is because people in this "civilized" society love rape so much, they'd prefer to go by the narrative that the victim was asking for it, as opposed to, you know, rape.

Of course, there's an enormous amount of rape being allowed in Universitys in America (and in Canada). Notre Dame, Yale and North Carolina are the most recent universities in the news for covering up such allegations.

There's also allegations of police abuse and violence against young aboriginal women in northern B.C. and allegations of raping its own female members plus a growing rate of rape charges brought against RCMP members for raping civilians.

As for children being raped, I guess there's Audrie Pott, a girl who was raped when she was 15 at a house party, but her accusers never faced formal charges. But it's totally cool because she was bullied so much on the on-coming days that she killed herself.

As for rape here and our kids, Amanda Tood and Rehtaeh Parsons have become poster children for rape that's been going on for over a decade. Since chat rooms on the internet became a thing, if you will.

About that:

1.) Law enforcement and the courts do not have the necessary statutes nor guidelines for dealing with crimes like those alleged against Rehtaeh Parsons. This isn't the first or last time this will happen and nothing is being done.

2.) Members of the federal and provincial parliaments of Canada are not in the least cyber-sex-crime-aware nor cyber-bullying-aware and require initial and recurrent training. This has been an issue for over a decade and nothing has been done.

3.) Unsolved sexual crimes against young persons are the norm inasmuch as the majority of rapes in Canada are unsolved crimes. There has been no real movement to rectify this.

4.) Canadian law enforcement is ill-informed and ill-equipped to deal with the growing sub culture comprising young men who are on a mission to drug and rape "LG's" (little girls) while video-recording the crime and posting the digital recording online. This isn't new, and nothing has yet to be done.

Understand what you and 'Mel' are saying, and my rant this morning over how 'Mel''s perspective was in response to her blase attitude that because it's a different culture and that we have also rape and murder happening in our society that we as a society shouldn't feel outraged. Our culture doesn't have rape or child marriage indoctrined into our society. It's not 'allowed' or condoned by society. Hence, the outrage and anger when such acts are seen and condoned as a god given right to commit. As with all your points mentioned, and what you say that we as a western culture 'allow' to happen....no one is allowing these sort of things to happen. They happen, as in every society and culture there are monsters and worse out there. But, it's not condoned by the public as a part of our everyday life. We don't say, 'Hey there. Isn't it great that grandpa is getting a new wife who's just finished grade 4?' We would be saying that gramps is one fucked up old pig, and call the cops.

As for your points on LE and the Gov't not being up to speed yet in the cyberworld....agreed to a point. They have to catch up with the technology and the impacts such crimes have on victims, and to prosecute with extreme predujice(sp)...but it's not like nothing is being done and it's a cyber bullying free for all out there, with the bodies piling up on the steps of city hall.

Maybe instead of waiting for the gov't to do something, or someone else to do something, how about get off your ass and make a noise about it? Perb doesn't count...and that is my point to all of this. I can't ignore and not be outraged, shocked...etc...when I read such stories that have happened.

Maybe some of you out there are getting too insensitized to atrocities that other cultures are practicing on their children, women and men....think that since it's not happening here, and we have our own problems so who am I to feel or say something about that issue. I can answer that; you are a fellow human being, and not saying anything or being blase about it is condoning that evil.

Maybe to you types of people it's ok. It's ok that it's happening to them, not us.

It's not right. It's not ok. Sorry for being so passionate about this and being a little sideways in my wording, but it's not ok for even our fucked up Facebook society to let this sort of evil continue without at least some of us saying that's it's fucked and it has to stop. Rape, child molestation, sexual assault, bullying, etc. No matter where you are from, it's fucked.

Hey man. Just also wanted to say if you are aware of these holes in our justice system, what are you doing as a taxpayer, a citizen of wherever your are from....what are you doing about it? You gonna call your MP or MLA? Maybe begin a petition? Website? Or do nothing like everyone else does and hope somebody might, like most of us do? I am actually somewhat inspired to follow up on this. Go figure.

I just might.

 

[myselftheother]

Whoa...what a rant. I guess what I'm really trying to say...where's the compassion?

Is it right to force our ways on others? No, it's not.

But, is it right to let such things happen? Nope. No fucking way.

So what's worse?

A). Just let it happen, and to continue to let it happen because we have similar probs in our society and culture and it would be hyppocritical...if we say or even have some sort of reaction to horrible things happening in other parts of the world, no matter how sick or disturbing it is.

B). Or, standing up and saying, 'hey that's wrong'.

One condones and encourages that behavior with doing or saying nothing. So what if it continues to create generations of victims, hell it's been going on for millenia.

The other recognizes that it's wrong. And becomes aware...etc.

Our western culture doesn't condone all that's been mentioned. Our society doesn't condone it. I don't condone it. I doubt the women here don't condone it. Or the men. Do you? Probably not in the real world.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Oh, you called me an idiot. That's a burn. You are really wanting me to go Mdme Bijoux on you, don't you? (I won't. She can chime in anytime she wants).

You realize this was way too easy to find, right? Like, do you even read or watch the news?

Anyway, in 2010, in the United States, prosecutors in North Carolina dropped rape and sexual battery charges against a high school football player because sexual contact with the alleged victim began consensually. In fact, in many states in the America, this is law. So if you initially agree to have sex and later change your mind for whatever reason, your partner can continue despite your protestations, and it won't be considered rape. Maryland has this law too. Surprisingly, this is actually progress because less than 5 years ago, anything after the initial "deflowering" of a woman couldn't be rape because "the damage was done" to her virginity and she could never be "reflowered."

In most states, there's a requirement of force in order to prove rape, rather than just demonstrating lack of consent. This is very problematic as rapists walk free. One .org site I found in the 10 seconds it took to type in 'America's rape problem" said only 35% of rape cases get reported, which has a lot to do with the shame put on the victims. This is a cultural thing. This is because people in this "civilized" society love rape so much, they'd prefer to go by the narrative that the victim was asking for it, as opposed to, you know, rape.

Of course, there's an enormous amount of rape being allowed in Universitys in America (and in Canada). Notre Dame, Yale and North Carolina are the most recent universities in the news for covering up such allegations.

There's also allegations of police abuse and violence against young aboriginal women in northern B.C. and allegations of raping its own female members plus a growing rate of rape charges brought against RCMP members for raping civilians.

As for children being raped, I guess there's Audrie Pott, a girl who was raped when she was 15 at a house party, but her accusers never faced formal charges. But it's totally cool because she was bullied so much on the on-coming days that she killed herself.

As for rape here and our kids, Amanda Tood and Rehtaeh Parsons have become poster children for rape that's been going on for over a decade. Since chat rooms on the internet became a thing, if you will.

About that:

1.) Law enforcement and the courts do not have the necessary statutes nor guidelines for dealing with crimes like those alleged against Rehtaeh Parsons. This isn't the first or last time this will happen and nothing is being done.

2.) Members of the federal and provincial parliaments of Canada are not in the least cyber-sex-crime-aware nor cyber-bullying-aware and require initial and recurrent training. This has been an issue for over a decade and nothing has been done.

3.) Unsolved sexual crimes against young persons are the norm inasmuch as the majority of rapes in Canada are unsolved crimes. There has been no real movement to rectify this.

4.) Canadian law enforcement is ill-informed and ill-equipped to deal with the growing sub culture comprising young men who are on a mission to drug and rape "LG's" (little girls) while video-recording the crime and posting the digital recording online. This isn't new, and nothing has yet to be done.

My original assessment of your mental capacity stands and the posts above pretty much prove it.

You haven't found one Western culture that condones child rape by acceptance or law because there isn't such a thing. Bringing up specious arguments like, governments not being up to speed on technological changes is ridiculous. That encompasses a lot of sectors, not just cyber crime. Citing individual states and their rape laws doesn't factor those states still charge and prosecute rapists. Some prosecutions are successful, some not.

Things happen in all cultures, it's how society deals with them and what the state sanctions that matters.

You give examples of things that are prosecuted every day in Western countries, not passed into law as in Yemen.

How obtuse does one have to be to not get that?