Bad Date - Ladies beware

[Harvi @ Vic2Van]

It saddens me to have to write this post, and I am doing so on the behalf of one of the independent girls I work with in Vancouver, who happen's to be visiting Victoria right now. I will say I trust this girls accusations, and would risk my life on them. I have known her for years, she is a close family friend, who just started working about 2 months ago. Being her first point of contact after the offence, I can attest that she is sincerely mortified and will be pressing charges on this excuse for a man. So please respect that this post is as accurate as if she was telling it herself.

The offender is a client I know well - In his 50's from Bellingham and visits girls often, this is why maybe the girls guard was down, as I had given this client the official "good client" stamp...this is not the case though, and I want EVERY girl in Victoria and Vancouver to know who he is, and what he has done to this girl! I think that it is important to share this information - and I wish I knew of a site that specialized in a bad date board. I HOPE that we can put a spotlight on these losers, who think that these girls deserve or expect to be treated without their own basic human rights.

The situation : A 3 hour outcall to his hotel room downtown, the laurel point hotel; dinner, conversation and some fun was had by both - nearing the second hour they found themselves comfortably wrapped in each others arms and dozing off... As this girl awoke, she found the client inside her, without a condom, having sex with her limp body while asleep ... I welcome a difference of opinion on this, but i call it RAPE!

I IMMEDIATELY called the perp and told him he is black listed, will be known in both cities as a rapist and will be lucky if he doesn't serve time for the offence, his reply which is recorded on my voicemail : she was a nice girl, im sorry I upset her, and I understand whatever action you have to take, I will not call you again, best wishes...(what a F&@#'N gentleman!)

It is disgusting that this client has the opinion that he can take advantage of a situation, and a persons safety in such a disrespectful and dishonest way. I know many a girl who has been taken advantage of over the years, even by regular clients (free trips to greece, stealing money from girls purses then extending the appointment) and every time I hear of this crap, it kills a little bit of my faith in humanity. I have met so many GREAT clients, I'd hate to mistrust everyone of them on principle, and its sick that someone like this, who had a fairly alright standing, would take advantage of this poor girl, who is fairly new to the business. His base nature is a predator - and his true colors have shone tonight!

The girl will be filing an official police report - but due to the fact that this SKIDMARK is from the states, and knows she is currently writing up a police report, it will be interesting to see how this turns out, my guess hes runing for the border right now.

Due to the respect I have for this board I will NOT be posting his specific information in this post without approval of the mod (so let me know if this is acceptable) in the mean time, I URGE every female escort to PM me and get the specific information. People like this need to be stopped, even if he has learned his lesson, and this was a one time slip up, it is UNFORGIVABLE in my opinion (again I welcome feedback on this).

I also welcome any info on other places I should post this information - thank you for your time.

 

[Luscious_Lacy]

Why would she have let her guard down like that? Sleeping on the job? I would never fall asleep with a stranger, escpecially in this line of work. I don't care if he seemed nice or I heard good stories, never.

I don't think it was right on his behalf, but did he stop when she asked him to? Did he force her down, drug her or call her names? Beat her?

How did he know she was sleeping? Did she specificaly tell him he needed to use protection during their date? Come on... There's not enough info in that post for me to agree with your example of a 'bad date'. I've heard bad date stories, that one only rates about a 2.

 

[ms.belair]

Why would she have let her guard down like that? Sleeping on the job? I would never fall asleep with a stranger, especially in this line of work. I don't care if he seemed nice or I heard good stories, never.

I don't think it was right on his behalf, but did he stop when she asked him to? Did he force her down, drug her or call her names? Beat her?

How did he know she was sleeping? Did she specifically tell him he needed to use protection during their date? Come on... There's not enough info in that post for me to agree with your example of a 'bad date'. I've heard bad date stories, that one only rates about a 2.

and that is only the beginning of the interrogation this girl (can we call her a young woman?) will receive from LE. It is always hard to prove rape, especially when the victim is a sex worker. Sounds like "live and learn", the hard way.

 

[georgebushmoron]

Sadly, she will have to take her lumps. But the poor judgement was on her part, despite the fact that he commited the crime.

I've had a similar experience with my SP-GF. Due to her own stupidity, the customer got away with rape and she has been left do deal with the health consequences of unprotected sex. But she was naive and tried to minimize the impact, saying it was only for a short time and he looked clean, etc. Fortunately for her, the hard lumps she had to take came from me in the form of a scolding, and not the result of a medical report. I trust my SP-GF is the wiser now, as I hope your friend is. Too bad these girls have to play with their lives when it comes to making mistakes in this line of work. Pity.

 

[BS Detector]

despite the fact that he commited the crime.

Did he really commit a crime? I assume the sex was not forced. He MAY be an asshole for lack of protection but that is not a crime, to the best of my knowledge, unless...he is HIV positive and knows it. The guy did not appear to be rude and abusive from what I read.

Twice I have had long appointments turn to an overnight appointment, out of town, and both times the lady and I fell asleep. Was quite flattered that the level of trust was that high. No extra charge and no problems. Maybe this lady needed to develop her own level of trust with this guy? This case sounds more 'unfortunate' than criminal to me.

 

[Right Said Fred]

Did he really commit a crime? I assume the sex was not forced. He MAY be an asshole for lack of protection but that is not a crime, to the best of my knowledge, unless...he is HIV positive and knows it. The guy did not appear to be rude and abusive from what I read.

Agreed. He is an asshole for lack of protection and whether or not it is a crime or not, it is very ignorant of him of him, protection or not. From what I have read, it sounds like he knew damn well what he was doing. I have had a couple SP's fall asleep from the massage I have given them and not at one moment have I ever thought about doing something like that to someone. I know I wouldn't want something like that happen to me. Look at all the doctor appointments she will have to go through to make sure that she will be disease free and ok. And if she is pregnant then she will have to make some decsions that could effect her for the rest of her life.

Twice I have had long appointments turn to an overnight appointment, out of town, and both times the lady and I fell asleep. Was quite flattered that the level of trust was that high. No extra charge and no problems. Maybe this lady needed to develop her own level of trust with this guy? This case sounds more 'unfortunate' than criminal to me.

I would have to disagree that it was unfortunate than criminal. It sounds like he knew what he was doing. He has visited girls often and common sense should of prevailed for an experienced pooner. On the other hand, the girl let her guard down and I believe that from my discussions with other SP's that there is no level of trust high enough, even from the most respected of pooners, to let their guards down. Bottom line is that there is no excuse for what this guy did. It is an unforgiveable thing to do to someone.

 

[georgebushmoron]

Did he really commit a crime?

The crime is sex forced upon another person without consent. That is called sexual assault, and because there was unwanted penetration, it's legally known as RAPE.

Consent was not given for sex because she was asleep. Nor was consent given as to the manner of sex, which in this case was sex without a condom. Both are sexual assaults. Get it straight in your head.

 

[rollerboy]

The crime is sex forced upon another person without consent. That is called sexual assault, and because there was unwanted penetration, it's legally known as RAPE.

Consent was not given for sex because she was asleep. Nor was consent given as to the manner of sex, which in this case was sex without a condom. Both are sexual assaults. Get it straight in your head.

No consent can be given by a sleeping stranger. And she certainly never consented to bareback sex with this man. He raped her.

Unfortunately, the chance of conviction or even prosecution strikes me as extremely low. Sexual predators often prey on prostitutes, because they are vulnerable and such crimes are rarely punished.

The identity of the perp should be exposed as broadly as possible, to protect women against an extremely dangerous individual. The local news media in his town might be interested in the story. At the very least, plaster his information on the Internet.

 

[Ghostwalker]

Did he really commit a crime? I assume the sex was not forced. He MAY be an asshole for lack of protection but that is not a crime, to the best of my knowledge, unless...he is HIV positive and knows it. The guy did not appear to be rude and abusive from what I read.

Twice I have had long appointments turn to an overnight appointment, out of town, and both times the lady and I fell asleep. Was quite flattered that the level of trust was that high. No extra charge and no problems. Maybe this lady needed to develop her own level of trust with this guy? This case sounds more 'unfortunate' than criminal to me.

Absolutely...the guy committed a crime...
All sexual contact must be consensual....what constitutes consent is made on a contexual analysis...and its arguable that had the 'client' entered the sp fully protected, that even though the sp was asleep and incapable of expressed consent, there is a strong and convincing inference that the consent was implied.....as it could be argued that this was a part of the night's continuum........In this case, there is the compelling adverse inference to be drawn ....that there was no consent...... either expressed or implied...... with respect to unprotected sex...hence an offence was committed even if the guy was not HIV positive or a carrier of an other STD....

 

[lovinithard]

You're damn right a crime was committed. As was pointed out, she was mortified and extremely concerned, enough so as to file a police report about it.

To those who persist in believing this was not a crime, they should consider for a moment what would be their opinion if these circumstances had occured with a "civilian" girl on a first date. There was nothing to indicate that she would have "enjoyed" being taken without conscious consent, or to be taken without protection.

Plain and simple, it is rape.

 

[Luscious_Lacy]

In this business, there are things that you just accept may happen. Things much, much worse. And everybody working needs to prepare themselves for unfortunate events.

'How did he know she was sleeping?'
'Did she consent to sex before she fell asleep? Did they go over her boundaries? Did she ask for him to use protection or did she say it wouldn't be necessary?'
'Was he fully erect inside of her or was he just rubbing 'affectionately' against her?'

 

[chayenne]

not that is any of my business, but when she was asleep, did she sleep with wide open spread legs or stuck her behind out for him to even penetrate her without her waking up...being moved or anything like that? 3 hour date...sleeping on a over night date...fine, but three hours? Maybe too much too drink?
Not that I think this guy did a good job by doing her without a party hat, but there are always bad apples in the basket when you have a profession like this. Her doing what she does since 2 months, might have been just a matter of miss-communication or no communication at all.
I spent a night with a guy and he wondered off without paying me.....when I was new to that.....and this I call a bad date.

 

[big daddy]

wow.. this is not the first and will not be the last that anyone will hear of similar situations. I feel for this friend of yours and according to the law, this guy can be listed as an eye to watchout for by the authority, but dont think any charges are going to be laid. One more thing, if you are a family friend of this lady, why the heck are you somewhat pimping her? (if I assume correctly, you seem to be more than a family friend, more like a family pimp) I personally would hang any of my family friend who is secretly pimping anyone in my family. Anyways, that's just my opinion.

just wish all the ladies and guys out there play safe and have a head on their shoulder when in contact with anyone.

bd

 

[EuroTrash]

Personally I think the guy needs a kicking. When someone shows disrespect like that towards another person they need to be taught a lesson. My opinion. I am new to this whole scene so my opinion may not be respected but so what. Nobody deservers to be violated even if they put themselves in danger.

FYI there is an excellent system of self defense that does not rely on strength that some of you may be interested in. PM me if interested as I am not putting info up here. One of the first rules though is using you're head and avoiding danger - not always possible though. Not sure how you could enter a woman while she is asleep though? she must have been seriously tired, and he must have a grain of rice for a cock.